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Man United Supporters Thread (Part 50)
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batdude_uk1
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by Nico_D:
“Thanks,

I still think we could take from Leicester as I think there players know they will no be at the races again and the chance to join a big club doesn't come around all that often, the games history is littered with players who are full of regrets at turning down the chance waiting another year for a move that never materialised. Getting nothing however may prove unrealistic.”

Oh I am in very much agreement with your sentiments there, it is just there does seem to be a special camaraderie at Leicester at the moment, and trying to get either or both Kante/Marhez might just prove to be a fools errand this summer (although of course I would love to be proved wrong).

Your list is a very good one though, and it is hard to disagree with the wish list of players arriving, although a lot will obviously depend on just who will be their manager for next season.
Stilton Cheesew
21-05-2016
The last thing Manchester United need is another "clear out".
Jamesp84
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“The last thing Manchester United need is another "clear out".”

Indeed. I've said before that I'd be very reluctant to write off too many of the current squad as I think another manager would get more out of them than Van Gaal has.

Besides, we can't keep making wholesale changes every single summer.
batdude_uk1
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“Indeed. I've said before that I'd be very reluctant to write off too many of the current squad as I think another manager would get more out of them than Van Gaal has.

Besides, we can't keep making wholesale changes every single summer.”

I wouldn't say a clear out is needed, but one or two going and coming would be fine (as long as one of those going was not De Gea!!).
Nico_D
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Oh I am in very much agreement with your sentiments there, it is just there does seem to be a special camaraderie at Leicester at the moment, and trying to get either or both Kante/Marhez might just prove to be a fools errand this summer (although of course I would love to be proved wrong).

Your list is a very good one though, and it is hard to disagree with the wish list of players arriving, although a lot will obviously depend on just who will be their manager for next season.”

Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“Indeed. I've said before that I'd be very reluctant to write off too many of the current squad as I think another manager would get more out of them than Van Gaal has.

Besides, we can't keep making wholesale changes every single summer.”

I think we need at least 3 world class players to become what we was, add to that shaw is back Mensa and rashford have emerged, Januzaj and perrierra can play a part, I think we will need to clear some room in the squad so the likes perrierra can devolp and We also have seen enough of Januzaj to know he can become a very good play here, I'm more confident he'll come good than Memphis.
Nova21
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“The last thing Manchester United need is another "clear out".”

I tend to disagree as a fellow outsider, looks to me like they need plenty of changes in key positions.
Nico_D
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“The last thing Manchester United need is another "clear out".”

Van gaal is huge part of the problem but not the so,e reason.

being completely honest other than Rooney and Mata who I only listed as I don't think they would work in a 4-3-3 anymore, how many of the players would get into the Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea, Arsenal or city teams. Ones like Herrera, Lingard and schnerdlin an are the because I think all three of them are vying for one position in the box to box role. Because we Surley need to add at least one top tier centre Midd a Kroos/pogba level player.
Nico_D
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“I tend to disagree as a fellow outsider, looks to me like they need plenty of changes in key positions.”

Agree we've bought badly and I don't want to just hope they come good because we don't want a revolving door policy, I understand not wanting to become that type of club but the reality is we have to many good players and nowhere near enough world class ones.
Stilton Cheesew
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“I tend to disagree as a fellow outsider, looks to me like they need plenty of changes in key positions.”

I feel that their creative and attacking players are working under such constraints that they cannot really be judged. The few times that they appear to be allowed some freedom their qualities can be seen.
homer2012
21-05-2016
Shaw will bring the best out of depay next season.
Rooney as a midfielder will be major positive as his last 5 games there and he's being our best player.
Rashford and tony m hopefully will continue to improve
Fingers crossed mensah gets the chance to be our number 1 right back.

We do need a center back, a fast creative midfielder and another forward.

As much as i dislike di maria i think under another manager other than LVG he would still be here at the club thriving. He was ruined by van gaal.
batdude_uk1
21-05-2016
The biggest thing this summer will be De Gea, if he stays, then there is always the potential for a good season ahead, especially as he matures more as a keeper.
Nova21
21-05-2016
I think the pedestal that you put De Gea on is quite ridiculous... There are plenty of other top goalkeepers who would be as effective for Man United...I won't comment further on this as its bound to stir up a hornets nest, but I just wanted to put my view across.

If you get a £40m offer for him and he shows signs of wanting to leave again, then let him go.
Stilton Cheesew
21-05-2016
De Gea is of no use if what's in front of him isn't performing, you just need to look at this season for evidence of that. He is important but hardly the key to the future.
Chief_Wiggum
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by homer2012:
“ We do need a center back”

Why? Rojo, Jones and Smalling are all competent. Who would you buy?
batdude_uk1
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“I think the pedestal that you put De Gea on is quite ridiculous... There are plenty of other top goalkeepers who would be as effective for Man United...I won't comment further on this as its bound to stir up a hornets nest, but I just wanted to put my view across.

If you get a £40m offer for him and he shows signs of wanting to leave again, then let him go.”

Just who are these top keepers that we could get to replace him?
It is all well and good dreaming of replacing him with Neuer, Buffon or another top keeper, but the very best hardly become available, and make no mistake about it, without any bias, De Gea is in the category of best keepers in the world, if he went, we would miss him, I have no doubt about that.
Nova21
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Just who are these top keepers that we could get to replace him?
It is all well and good dreaming of replacing him with Neuer, Buffon or another top keeper, but the very best hardly become available, and make no mistake about it, without any bias, De Gea is in the category of best keepers in the world, if he went, we would miss him, I have no doubt about that.”

Liverpool are looking at keepers at the moment... Any of them would be possibilities... De Gea was a weak link when he first joined, he looked far from a top keeper...you could get a new keeper in next season, get him used to the Premier league and he will be up to speed in a season or two when Man united are ready to challenge for the title..
Tottenham found lloris, Arsenal managed to get Cech, Chelsea found Courtois, the likes of Tim Krul could grow into a top 4 keeper...
It doesn't have to be the goalkeeping equivalent of Messi or Ronaldo to replace De Gea
Stilton Cheesew
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Just who are these top keepers that we could get to replace him?
It is all well and good dreaming of replacing him with Neuer, Buffon or another top keeper, but the very best hardly become available, and make no mistake about it, without any bias, De Gea is in the category of best keepers in the world, if he went, we would miss him, I have no doubt about that.”

Saying you would miss him is completely different to saying him staying is the biggest issue of the summer for man utd.
f_196
21-05-2016
De Gea, Valencia, Smalling, Blind, Rojo, Carrick, Fellaini, Mata, Rooney, Martial, Rashford
batdude_uk1
21-05-2016
Here is the team:-

#mufc XI: De Gea, Valencia, Smalling, Blind, Rojo, Carrick, Fellaini, Mata, Rooney, Martial, Rashford. #WeAreUnited https://t.co/t7cjgBBs3l
batdude_uk1
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“Liverpool are looking at keepers at the moment... Any of them would be possibilities... De Gea was a weak link when he first joined, he looked far from a top keeper...you could get a new keeper in next season, get him used to the Premier league and he will be up to speed in a season or two when Man united are ready to challenge for the title..
Tottenham found lloris, Arsenal managed to get Cech, Chelsea found Courtois, the likes of Tim Krul could grow into a top 4 keeper...
It doesn't have to be the goalkeeping equivalent of Messi or Ronaldo to replace De Gea”

Sorry, but it should not take us two seasons to be ready to challenge for the title, we should at least be up there with the eventual winners, each and every season.

Sorry but Krul is not of the standard of De Gea, that is the problem, not many are.

There are not plenty of keepers out there, that we could sign who would be a suitable replacement, and the ones that could be classed as such, their clubs would not be interested in selling them.
f_196
21-05-2016
CBJ left out. Jones on the bench. Lingard not in the XI.

Proof that LVG was only giving youth a chance because he had no choice.

Rojo will get reamed.

I pray this is LVGs last game. I'll drive him to the airport myself. I can't take another 12 months of this. My premature greying will spill over into Just for Men territory.
Makosi's pants
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by f_196:
“CBJ left out. Jones on the bench. Lingard not in the XI.

Proof that LVG was only giving youth a chance because he had no choice.

Rojo will get reamed.

I pray this is LVGs last game. I'll drive him to the airport myself. I can't take another 12 months of this. My premature greying will spill over into Just for Men territory.”

Agree with all the above sadly. No pace in the middle. And Rojo at left back. Not good. And the washing-machine spin that LVG was putting on the prospect of winning the FA cup as against qualifying for the CL has me worried for the future if we do win. I just hope those who say he's a definite goner no matter what happens are right.
owen10
21-05-2016
Ruud Gullit made a good point to today. He said that Louis Van Gaal has trouble managing senior players because they think they know more than he does, so thats why he prefers to manage young players as he can teach them stuff that they dont know so they can improve as players
Nova21
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by owen10:
“Ruud Gullit made a good point to today. He said that Louis Van Gaal has trouble managing senior players because they think they know more than he does, so thats why he prefers to manage young players as he can teach them stuff that they dont know so they can improve as players”

Not really sure I've seen any evidence of that particularly.
batdude_uk1
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by owen10:
“Ruud Gullit made a good point to today. He said that Louis Van Gaal has trouble managing senior players because they think they know more than he does, so thats why he prefers to manage young players as he can teach them stuff that they dont know so they can improve as players”

Isn't that kind of the same for all or most managers?
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