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A great post full of realism and honesty.
Good to see that a lot of fans on this thread are just as honest and accepting times have changed and accepting you're now on the hiring and firing merrygoround and operating like every other club, even though you are still the worlds biggest club. Still, we have only had three full-time managers in Premier League history, so not quite like other clubs in that respect!
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Cole was finished as a top player before he left Chelsea.
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I think a lot of Utd fans (including myself) are finding the realisation that 'times have changed' hard to deal with. We became used to dominating domestically with an attacking brand of football played by a good mix of overseas and home-grown talent, masterminded by a British manager who was given time to build several teams. Our 'brand' of football, plus our history, made us distinctive - we liked to think we weren't like 'other clubs', and we felt a superiority that was backed up by the stats.
The last three years have been difficult, and we may have to accept that to continue to be successful we may have to become more like those 'other clubs' - whether that's playing a more cautious style of football, or appointing a manager that will treat us as another stop on the managerial merry-go-round of top European clubs. I'm finding it hard to adjust. In my dreams I'd love someone from the Class of '92 to take over, play with two wingers (at least one of whom came through the Academy), and for us to spend the next ten years back at the very top. But realistically I know that's highly unlikely. So will I settle for Mourinho coming in, possibly playing 'park the bus' football, possibly ignoring the youth set up, possibly only staying two years, but more than likely getting us back into contention for the title? My heart says no, but my head says yes. We were very lucky to have a great manager for a long, long time but those days have gone and we have to accept that we'll now be changing managers on a regular basis like everybody else, and there's nothing wrong with that. All the big European teams constantly change managers these days but still keep winning trophies. We just have to appoint the right one's, Mourinho is the right choice at this moment. |
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BIB Seconded. My main worry with Jose (if he's appointed) was getting him in too soon after his sacking. I think the guy was shell-shocked and needed a break. Well, he's had that now and should be chomping at the bit.
Things change Dixon. And change is the hardest and most essential thing to cope with in football. Funny enough, that's what made SAF such a one-off. The guy never stagnated or failed to adapt unlike say, LVG. But even with Fergie, it's quite possible had he been managing in similar circumstances in Italy, Spain or even the Prem now, he wouldn't have got the time he needed to make our club great again. Plus, our team is not in the sorry state it was when SAF took over. Though I think we could do with about another four players, we were still in with a shout of winning the title at mid-season. So no point looking for another dynasty-builder like SAF, we just need a proven manager who can handle the pressure and tweak the team to the top. And if he buggers off after a couple of years, fine. We'll get another top boss in. See, you missed it Dixon. We are Manchester United. And for a whole host of reasons we will never be "just another club". Jose gets that. And that's why he wanted us over you three years ago. Well, it looks like he's got us now..... Utd are the biggest club in the world, so why shouldn't he have wanted to manage them over Chelsea? My point was though, even though you are the biggest club in the world, much of what made you that under Fergie is going to be thrown out the window for a very short term gain. You are now operating like every other club. |
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As you keep saying, repeatedly.
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Have a word. Joe Cole was 26 when Mourinho left Chelsea. You cannot blame Mourinho for the decade that followed.
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As you keep saying, repeatedly.
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...............we just need a proven manager who can handle the pressure and tweak the team to the top. And if he buggers off after a couple of years, fine. We'll get another top boss in. See, you missed it Dixon. We are Manchester United. And for a whole host of reasons we will never be "just another club". Jose gets that. And that's why he wanted us over you three years ago. Well, it looks like he's got us now.....
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Good point. Or points. Mourinho could have pretty much any job he wanted. He could've had the job after Ferguson retired, and was snubbed. A lot of people would've told the club where to go if they came crawling back after that. He wanted the job the first time, and now he's stayed unemployed, because he knows it's the best chance he's got. He can just go on a little holiday, take little break until the time comes.
A man like Mourinho doesn't wait. For him to wait, and after being snubbed the first time, has to mean something. He might want to build a legacy at a club, a real legacy, something that'll last beyond his tenure. Man United is a good club for doing that, and he can do that with them. It's the right appointment for both parties, and at the right time. ![]() Quote:
Oh, and get used to Utd, going out in the big games with the main goal being not to lose. Going out and parking the bus. That is not what Manchester United are about.
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Exactly and now he's turning your thread into his anti-Jose agenda.
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All I am saying is he was never close to being the same player after the injury he suffered. He was a shot player when he was still at Chelsea, not when he left.
Joe Cole was 26 years old when he last had any dealings with Mourinho. |
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I think a lot of Utd fans (including myself) are finding the realisation that 'times have changed' hard to deal with. We became used to dominating domestically with an attacking brand of football played by a good mix of overseas and home-grown talent, masterminded by a British manager who was given time to build several teams. Our 'brand' of football, plus our history, made us distinctive - we liked to think we weren't like 'other clubs', and we felt a superiority that was backed up by the stats.
The last three years have been difficult, and we may have to accept that to continue to be successful we may have to become more like those 'other clubs' - whether that's playing a more cautious style of football, or appointing a manager that will treat us as another stop on the managerial merry-go-round of top European clubs. I'm finding it hard to adjust. In my dreams I'd love someone from the Class of '92 to take over, play with two wingers (at least one of whom came through the Academy), and for us to spend the next ten years back at the very top. But realistically I know that's highly unlikely. So will I settle for Mourinho coming in, possibly playing 'park the bus' football, possibly ignoring the youth set up, possibly only staying two years, but more than likely getting us back into contention for the title? My heart says no, but my head says yes. |
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Is this the Chelsea thread or the man united one?
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He is the only man for the job and the present time in imho, and he is available now and LVG has often stated he would only see out his 3 year contract so if he was to stay Jose would already be somewhere else. Let the good times roll and it will possibly see Giggs go elsewhere so if he can prove himself then he can take the hot seat after the special one has finished with it. Interesting article http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....arebar_twitter
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Still, we have only had three full-time managers in Premier League history, so not quite like other clubs in that respect! ![]() Still, you still have some way to go before you catch up with a certain club and start firing managers who win you the title, win you the double and win you the CL.
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Well no, you agreed that Joe Cole was ruined by Mourinho in an earlier post.o
Joe Cole was 26 years old when he last had any dealings with Mourinho. You said he flopped after leaving Chelsea and i saud he was finished as a top player before he left Chelsea. His injury took it's toll and he could never be the same player again even if he wanted to be, much like Gazza. |
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He is the only man for the job and the present time in imho, and he is available now and LVG has often stated he would only see out his 3 year contract so if he was to stay Jose would already be somewhere else. Let the good times roll and it will possibly see Giggs go elsewhere so if he can prove himself then he can take the hot seat after the special one has finished with it. Interesting article http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....arebar_twitter
When you have someone available now, you just need to go for it IMO. |
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Cole achieved as much as he could. He was one of the most talked about kids before turning pro but i think he made the most of what he had. Hit his ceiling for a couple of seasons for club and country and then slowly faded.
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I want us to be seen as a threat once again, and for us to look like on more than just the odd occasion of scoring multiple goals in a game, that surely is not too much to ask from our manager, whomever it may be.
For too long now under Moyes, and LvG, we have had too many games where we have just not looked like scoring, and that has to change. I am fed up with the 0-0's at half-time, I would like to see us go for the jugular more often, and try to take the fight to teams, rather than just probing away, and hoping to find one single chance. If José can get us looking like how I would like us to be, then fantastic, great, he would certainly be in my good books. |
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BIB: I think this is one of the key factors most people seem to be forgetting. This isn't like when the club sacked Moyes a year into his 6 year contract. Lvg was going to retire in a season, so United were going to be looking for a new manager next season regardless. Mourinho could have been employed by then, so the club could have found itself in a position where all its targets are in employment and then they would have looked incompetent.
When you have someone available now, you just need to go for it IMO. |
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Totally agree. And even if Van Gaal had done well in his 2 years up to now, you wonder just how the players would have performed next season for a manager who they knew was definitely going at the end of it. We saw it when Fergie was planning to retire first time around, performances and results suffered until he announced he'd changed his mind.
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Have been out since 5 watching the cup final. Not a great a great game. Just heard all the rummers hopefully it's true. It was nice 2 c lvg bow out with a trophy if it's true. Regarding mourinho he will get the utd team playing the utd way..
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I was only replying to a fm who replied to one of my posts. But yes, I have made that point a few times now and won't do it again.
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Have a word. Joe Cole was 26 when Mourinho left Chelsea. You cannot blame Mourinho for the decade that followed.
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Joe Cole was a highlight reel player anyway. He was good but never great, just capable of great moments. He had world clas technique but not world class technical ability. He's the type of player that would spend more time practicing maradonna turns than passing and shooting.
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Will certain poster(s) just stop chuntering on about potential managerial changes, Mourinho and Chelsea unless and until he's actually appointed - there's a separate Mourinho thread for his lovers and haters, and a chelsea thread for them. Four freaking pages of it and hardly a word about our 12th. FA Cup win. LVG (our current manager!) deserves credit for that, whatever went before.
The media and especially the BBC treated him and the club disgracefully yesterday IMHO, anyone would think Dan Roan and Simon Stone had a confirmed exclusive - well they didn't, the Manchester Evening News had it hours before and it isn't even confirmed. They basically just wanted to hijack LVG (again) and find an excuse to talk about anything other than our well deserved FA Cup success... and boy how they did that. All freaking evening. As for the main event, great comeback, great result, sheer determination got us the win after Smalling's stupidity and in terms of fighting to the end, it was a bit like the United of old, I loved it!
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BIB: I think this is one of the key factors most people seem to be forgetting. This isn't like when the club sacked Moyes a year into his 6 year contract. Lvg was going to retire in a season, so United were going to be looking for a new manager next season regardless. Mourinho could have been employed by then, so the club could have found itself in a position where all its targets are in employment and then they would have looked incompetent.
When you have someone available now, you just need to go for it IMO. I do feel sorry for the way this news broke on the day of FA Cup success; however I can't help but shake the feeling the media have had this story in their pockets for a while, saving it for after the cup to either rub salt in the wounds of LVG, or to change the talking point of the day if United won the cup. I'm afraid LVG was out of his depth in the modern Premier League, but he has been loyal to the club and deserved to be treated with more respect than he has been. |
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Cole achieved as much as he could. He was one of the most talked about kids before turning pro but i think he made the most of what he had. Hit his ceiling for a couple of seasons for club and country and then slowly faded.
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