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Old 22-05-2016, 14:05
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Totally agree, in one sense he was a victim of the hype surrounding his precocious ability as a child. I don't know him personally enough to say if he believed that hype but he definitely lost his way and I don't think that was anything to do with Jose.
Jose made him run up and down the left wing endlessly . Tackling back was never his game so of course Jose had a hand in stunting Cole's growth as a creative player .

Won't say another word on the subject . Sorry guys ,
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Old 22-05-2016, 14:28
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Was listening earlier to Five Live discussing the LVG/Mourinho story - one of the contributors stated (no idea where he got his facts from or whether there is a grain of truth in it) that Ed Woodward was keen for LVG to see out the last year of his contract but that the Glazers were the driving force behind making a change.
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Old 22-05-2016, 14:29
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Enough about Joe Cole already, we get it.

My only worry with Jose is the youth players. Martial looks like he will be absolutely world-class, and Rashford needs carefully protected and moulded to see where his true potential lies. Lingard is already 23 so hardly a youth-teamer - I think he should remain a serviceable member of the squad but I wouldn't say he is irreplaceable.

It will be interesting to see if Jose can get more out of Depay than LVG did, or if Memphis is just out of his depth at this level.
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Old 22-05-2016, 14:34
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Jose made him run up and down the left wing endlessly . Tackling back was never his game so of course Jose had a hand in stunting Cole's growth as a creative player .

Won't say another word on the subject . Sorry guys ,
So he ruined him by stopping him from being a liability, football changed a lot in the 00's players became the fittest the have ever been. Gazpacho and Zola would have been expected to press and track back otherwise the opposition would have targeted this and exploited you.

When joe Cole was given a free role at West Ham they ended up relegated as they had this mentality that flair players shouldn't have to work har d either, the problem is his attacking contributions were not good enough to offset him being a non defensive player in the way you let to also and messi get away with it.

He's always been highlights reel player who was good but never destined to be great. If working hard ran him into the ground causing his injuries why did it not affect lampard who never missed a game and worked much harder.
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Old 22-05-2016, 14:40
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Enough about Joe Cole already, we get it.

My only worry with Jose is the youth players. Martial looks like he will be absolutely world-class, and Rashford needs carefully protected and moulded to see where his true potential lies. Lingard is already 23 so hardly a youth-teamer - I think he should remain a serviceable member of the squad but I wouldn't say he is irreplaceable.

It will be interesting to see if Jose can get more out of Depay than LVG did, or if Memphis is just out of his depth at this level.
Martial isn't a youth player in the traditional sense so I have no worries about him, the belief is mourn he doesn't have the patience to give them game time to improve untill they are at the level required. Martial is already at this level.

I think rashford will drop to the bench mostly next year which is fine as he will still get plenty of time, I would rather we had the finished article leading the line next year anyway as of all rashfords current ability and potentially he is still very raw and needs to improve.

I also the Mensa and Lingard will get time under him, Lingard has the work ethic and athleticism that Jose like when he wants to pack a midfield and Mensa is good enough to be a top prospect anywhere.
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Old 22-05-2016, 14:44
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Joe Cole was a highlight reel player anyway. He was good but never great, just capable of great moments. He had world clas technique but not world class technical ability. He's the type of player that would spend more time practicing maradonna turns than passing and shooting.
Everyone seems to be forgetting the series of injuries (foot and knee) that ultimately affected his pace and mobility at the top level. He'd have done more without these setbacks and the inevitable affect of age slowed him down further in recent years. For players of his type if you lose the ability to get away from opponents, you are doomed at the top level. Same thing happened to Fowler and many more besides. Players that relying primarily on pace are even worse off.
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Old 22-05-2016, 14:58
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So he ruined him by stopping him from being a liability, football changed a lot in the 00's players became the fittest the have ever been. Gazpacho and Zola would have been expected to press and track back otherwise the opposition would have targeted this and exploited you.

When joe Cole was given a free role at West Ham they ended up relegated as they had this mentality that flair players shouldn't have to work har d either, the problem is his attacking contributions were not good enough to offset him being a non defensive player in the way you let to also and messi get away with it.

He's always been highlights reel player who was good but never destined to be great. If working hard ran him into the ground causing his injuries why did it not affect lampard who never missed a game and worked much harder.

To be fair , comparing Joe Cole's with Lampard is like comparing Scholes with James Milner . Pointless
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Old 22-05-2016, 15:04
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The only thing that should be compared to milner is a council estate lottery winner, he doesnt know how he got so lucky when he doesnt deserve it.
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Old 22-05-2016, 15:15
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The only thing that should be compared to milner is a council estate lottery winner, he doesnt know how he got so lucky when he doesnt deserve it.
Eleven PL assists and 5 goals suggests otherwise (especially for a non-attacking midfielder). Fair minded fans would look beyond the badges he's worn on his shirt over the years.
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Old 22-05-2016, 15:20
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Milner is a very solid, and reliable player, not one to get the pulses racing, but one that a manager can rely upon, all squads need at least o e or two of them.
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Old 22-05-2016, 15:34
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Eleven PL assists and 5 goals suggests otherwise (especially for a non-attacking midfielder). Fair minded fans would look beyond the badges he's worn on his shirt over the years.
Milner is a very solid, and reliable player, not one to get the pulses racing, but one that a manager can rely upon, all squads need at least o e or two of them.

Dont care if he plays for liverpool, man city or leeds, just think hes very overrated and lucky to be where he is. He should also be no were near an england team either.
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Old 22-05-2016, 15:37
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Dont care if he plays for liverpool, man city or leeds, just think hes very overrated and lucky to be where he is. He should also be no were near an england team either.
Perfectly good player. Always solid and hard working, decent skill and has more than merited his place in every squad he's been a part of.
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Old 22-05-2016, 15:54
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Dont care if he plays for liverpool, man city or leeds, just think hes very overrated and lucky to be where he is. He should also be no were near an england team either.
So his goals and assists were all lucky too? Given he only played 28 league games his output puts others to shame - especially if he's as "overrated" as you think he is. Ignorance at its best.
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:23
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I wasn't aware that James Milner has ever played for man united. Seems I'm wrong though. Can this thread get back to discussing man united at some point by man united fans?
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:29
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Perfectly good player. Always solid and hard working, decent skill and has more than merited his place in every squad he's been a part of.
I see him as their version of Park, he was not the best player, but he was very reliable for us, and scored a fair few important goals whilst he was here.
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:35
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I wasn't aware that James Milner has ever played for man united. Seems I'm wrong though. Can this thread get back to discussing man united at some point by man united fans?
I'm sure it will once people stop making absurd statements about said player on here. It's not as though there's nothing going on at United right mow worthy of debate. Tomorrow's announcement (if true) will be intriguing in terms of how it's worded and any subsequent statement from LVG. Future of Giggs, too.
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:40
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The Giggs situation will be very interesting, as really he has only ever known this club, if he is let go, then the statement put out by the club, will have to be one that is very carefully worded, as no matter what, he is a club legend, and they don't come around all that often.
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:40
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LVG not told say the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36353943
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:42
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I see him as their version of Park, he was not the best player, but he was very reliable for us, and scored a fair few important goals whilst he was here.
I demand a better comparison! Eleven assists I tell you!
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:46
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So his goals and assists were all lucky too? Given he only played 28 league games his output puts others to shame - especially if he's as "overrated" as you think he is. Ignorance at its best.
Ignorance? No just my view on a player, dont rate him and never will. He could put on a united shirt and i'll still says hes overrated.

I'm sure it will once people stop making absurd statements about said player on here. It's not as though there's nothing going on at United right mow worthy of debate. Tomorrow's announcement (if true) will be intriguing in terms of how it's worded and any subsequent statement from LVG. Future of Giggs, too.
Absurd? Again refer to my comments above.
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:47
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Who do you think will be joses first signing? Going go for stones from everton.
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:52
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I demand a better comparison! Eleven assists I tell you!


Too late, the decision has been made!
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:53
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Who do you think will be joses first signing? Going go for stones from everton.
Probably going by all of the headlines alone, Ibrahimovic.
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:55
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I'd be stunned if Ibrahimovic isn't in shortly after Jose.
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:55
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He's known for at least 3 minutes that this might happen.
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