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In response to Stilton's post above....
You can switch it off if he goes to your club. Plenty of football fans can't stand Ronaldo for his perceived preening and arrogance and the way he seems to play for himself and not the team, but every one of them would love him at their club and would support him if he was there. People saying "Ronaldo is a cocky prick" is not the same as saying "I dont want Ronaldo at my team because he is a cocky prick" most fans would say "Ronaldo is a cocky prick but Id love to have him here!!". |
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In response to Stilton's post above....
You can switch it off if he goes to your club. Plenty of football fans can't stand Ronaldo for his perceived preening and arrogance and the way he seems to play for himself and not the team, but every one of them would love him at their club and would support him if he was there. |
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#4253 |
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I thought that I gave a detailed response as to my feelings towards José when asked about my feelings now, I don't know how much more I can say on this without repeating myself, of which I am not a fan of doing.
I can only hope that my previous answers do go some way to clearing up people's questions towards me. |
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#4254 |
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I thought that I gave a detailed response as to my feelings towards José when asked about my feelings now, I don't know how much more I can say on this without repeating myself, of which I am not a fan of doing.
I can only hope that my previous answers do go some way to clearing up people's questions towards me. What do you think of Player X? He's rubbish I dont want him anywhere near the club. Player X signs. Welcome to Old Trafford!!!! There isn't much credibility in that! Not that it actually matters but Ive seen the Chelsea fans laughing at the U-turns! |
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#4255 |
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I was now talking in general terms rather than about you specifically but yes I think you are being extremely hypocritical. How can anyone take you opinion on any player seriously if you adopt the same stance?
What do you think of Player X? He's rubbish I dont want him anywhere near the club. Player X signs. Welcome to Old Trafford!!!! There isn't much credibility in that! Not that it actually matters but Ive seen the Chelsea fans laughing at the U-turns! I am willing to pause, and wait and see what José does with us, before fully judging him. As our manager, he does deserve to have the backing of the fans from the beginning, from there it is up to him if he managers to keep it going, or for the fans to turn on him, as they did with Moyes, and LvG. It is José's actions that will determine quite how long my support for him will last for, as the concerns are still there for me with him, make no mistake, they have not gone away, if he manages to allay my fears, then of course my support for him will rise, surely that is only right and fair? I am not a hypocrite, or being hypocritical in my views here, I am just willing to wait and see what he does, that will be the basis upon which I will form my opinion of him for his time with us. I hope that does go someway to clearing this up, and answering any questions about my and my opinion on José. |
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#4256 |
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Personally I couldn't support someone like Luis Suarez even if he signed for the club. I'd hate him being here, I wouldn't suddenly say "oh let's give him a chance"
If you hate the thought of someone coming to the club then you hate the thought. Doesn't mean you no longer support the club but have the balls to admit not everything they do or everyone they employ is wonderful. |
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#4257 |
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The difference with say Suarez, is he has personally wrong us here at the club, with his actions against Evra, and his unapologetic ways still your this very day.
José has not personally wronged us in such a manner (yes he has beaten us with teams he has managed, but that is to be expected of an opposition manager), so the level of hate or displeasure of him managing us, is not quite in the same vain. |
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The difference with say Suarez, is he has personally wrong us here at the club, with his actions against Evra, and his unapologetic ways still your this very day.
José has not personally wronged us in such a manner (yes he has beaten us with teams he has managed, but that is to be expected of an opposition manager), so the level of hate or displeasure of him managing us, is not quite in the same vain. I saw some of the things you posted about Mourinho and with feelings that strong they shouldn't be ablate be switched on and off at will. That said though its not important but I'm sure it will cloud peoples judgement if you speak out strongly about something in the future. |
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#4259 |
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The difference with say Suarez, is he has personally wrong us here at the club, with his actions against Evra, and his unapologetic ways still your this very day.
José has not personally wronged us in such a manner (yes he has beaten us with teams he has managed, but that is to be expected of an opposition manager), so the level of hate or displeasure of him managing us, is not quite in the same vain. |
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The individuals dont matter, its just an example. Human beings dont always have to be rational about these things. Im sure there are people you dislike that your pals think are fine fellows? Sometimes you can't even explain why you dislike someone.
I saw some of the things you posted about Mourinho and with feelings that strong they shouldn't be ablate be switched on and off at will. That said though its not important but I'm sure it will cloud peoples judgement if you speak out strongly about something in the future. I don't care how good he is, how much he would improve us from an on the pitch perspective, I would not want him to play or sign for us (not that I think he ever will anyway), and that would never ever change, as his actions were that bad. If we are speaking about 99.999999% of the rest of the footballers, then yes opinions can fluctuate on them, and fans can be irrational at times, and that is all part of the cultural that goes with being a fan. |
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It was an example. If you hated mourinho then have the balls to stay with that opinion unless he does something to change your mind. Your mind shouldn't change just because he has now signed, you are coming at it from the wrong angle in an attempt to be nice. Just have the courage of your convictions
If you had posted just about any other player, then the response probably would have been different. I don't wish to repeat my posts about José, so I will just say that I am not trying to be nice, I am just trying to be fair, as that is surely the very least a new manager deserves. I do have the courage of my convictions, as I have stated that I still have concerns over him being here, if I didn't have courage, then I could easily just have said they have all gone, nothing to see here move along etc. But he does have to work to win myself around (not that I am sure that he is bothered in the slightest mind), I don't quite know how much more clearer I can make things regarding my position. |
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I agree with you in terms of the individuals do not count, except for in extreme circumstances, and Suarez is in that extreme circumstances bracket, as what he did was reprehensible, and there is no coming back from that.
I don't care how good he is, how much he would improve us from an on the pitch perspective, I would not want him to play or sign for us (not that I think he ever will anyway), and that would never ever change, as his actions were that bad. If we are speaking about 99.999999% of the rest of the footballers, then yes opinions can fluctuate on them, and fans can be irrational at times, and that is all part of the cultural that goes with being a fan.
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#4263 |
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I agree with you in terms of the individuals do not count, except for in extreme circumstances, and Suarez is in that extreme circumstances bracket, as what he did was reprehensible, and there is no coming back from that.
I don't care how good he is, how much he would improve us from an on the pitch perspective, I would not want him to play or sign for us (not that I think he ever will anyway), and that would never ever change, as his actions were that bad. If we are speaking about 99.999999% of the rest of the footballers, then yes opinions can fluctuate on them, and fans can be irrational at times, and that is all part of the cultural that goes with being a fan. Likewise Mancini and shearer. Now please don't respond saying they are unlikely to ever be at the club....I know this as does everyone else. Recognise them for what they are....examples and nothing more. If you hate the thought of something then you hate the thought. You have no reason to try justifying mourinho at the club. Likewise I strongly doubt the people so vehemently against giggs taking over would suddenly have a change of heart if he signed a contract as manager. Have the courage of your convictions |
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It is known that signing for United provides absolution for all sins. Penance may be more onerous for some of the more wayward but still, it is known. That red shirt can heal the pain, even of worshipping false gods. Set your foot upon the Road to Damascus and seek the One Truth. Or the M62, whatever's convenient....
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#4265 |
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I don't wish to repeat my views, so I will now bow out of this discussion, and leave others to debate it.
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#4266 |
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I agree. If you genuinely don't like a player then just stick to it. I'll admit I don't like Zlatan. No particular rhyme or reason I just don't. For the good of Utd then I'll tolerate him but I'll never actually like him. I'd praise him for a decent goal but silently say "you prick" at the end of the sentence
![]() ![]() I know he's an arrogant so and so but that's part of his appeal. I'm not sure others could pull it off the way he does. |
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#4267 |
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I think his arrogance is mostly just an act. He's created a character out of it. "Came as a king and left a legend" is something the character believes in and says, not necessarily the person.
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You don't like Zlatan ?
![]() I know he's an arrogant so and so but that's part of his appeal. I'm not sure others could pull it off the way he does. |
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Many thought Cantona was arrogant and look at what he brought us lol
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The only concern I have over Zlatan is suiting the style of play. I can imagine a Berbatov scenario unfolding, capable of brilliance but didn't really suit our counter attacking style at the time. Hopefully I'm wrong, don't get me wrong I think he should score a few good thing it's short term.
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#4271 |
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I don't like many sports stars. I disposed Stephen Hendry when he was playing as he never smiled. I do appreciate his talent though.
Same with suarez, Messi and Pogba..........but if they were to play for my team I'd bloody love them. It's the same with Sir Alex.....had he been at any other club I'd not have liked him.....not one bit. But I love the man more than handyman I love any other man in the world......apart from David Beckham and gary neville. |
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You don't like Zlatan ?
![]() I know he's an arrogant so and so but that's part of his appeal. I'm not sure others could pull it off the way he does. He's been bang average when I've seen him play recently, another Falcao on the way maybe? |
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I'm with Jo, he talks about himself as a legend but I doubt he'll be remembered much when he retires ( unless he comes to us and scores the winner in a Champions League final of course).
He's been bang average when I've seen him play recently, another Falcao on the way maybe? |
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#4274 |
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His record last season suggests otherwise. I know people dismiss the French league but he still had to put the chances away. He's also in fantastic physical condition. On a years deal just for wages cost I think he is a no brainer for any top PL team but especially for Man Utd as it buys some time with Martial and Rashford. If it goes well dont bet against him doing more than a year too, if it doesn't go well presumably Martial and Rashford get more games. Win win.
I agree it's a win win. |
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