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Man United Supporters Thread (Part 50)
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mikeyddd
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by Makosi's pants:
“^^^ All above - Thanks for the replies. Since I posted I've read a few other threads were people have been complaining as well. Least I know it's not just me and I don't have to duplicate any of my masterpieces for fear of deprieving you lot from reading them

So Zlatan is ours. Hopefully Jose can get everyone else he wants as well....”

Err no Man Utd has signed for Zlaten
NorthernNinny
30-06-2016
Originally Posted by feckit:
“It's those feckers in the politics thread, they post tons of shit over there and it's fast and furious. I had a quick look but backed out there are some scary posters over there.”

It's not that bad over there tbh. I've dipped my toe in recently with the referendum going on and it's no worse than the football forum in all honesty.
batdude_uk1
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“The main accusation I've seen levelled at Zlatan is that he's a 'flat track bully'.

Well even if he is, that will help us out if he scores plenty against the dross of the league that we've struggled to put away over the last couple of years. The amount of points that we dropped to teams in the lower half of the table last season was criminal, and was the difference between finishing 5th and challenging for the title.”

That is precisely what we need, in the big games we have had recently a fairly good record, it is the other games, against the teams (no disrespect meant) that we really should be beating where we have struggled, if he changes all of that, then fantastic! Bring him on!

If he could have been on the pitch for the West Ham game, then I think we would be in the Champions League this season, that is the sort of difference that he can hopefully make for us.
batdude_uk1
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“I don't think that he is, but yeah, I'd take it.

Rashford can do the 'big' boys over.”

City are probably still having nightmares about Rashford!
Jim De Ville
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“City are probably still having nightmares about Rashford! ”

It'll be interesting to see how Rashford gets on, this year. He was something of an unknown quantity last season, but you'd have to assume that teams will be wise to him, from now on. Big season for him.

Meanwhile, the Star reckon that we're in 'advanced talks' with Pogba, and are ready to pay £80m. Madrid and Barcelona need to pull their fingers out.
batdude_uk1
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“It'll be interesting to see how Rashford gets on, this year. He was something of an unknown quantity last season, but you'd have to assume that teams will be wise to him, from now on. Big season for him.

Meanwhile, the Star reckon that we're in 'advanced talks' with Pogba, and are ready to pay £80m. Madrid and Barcelona need to pull their fingers out.”

I expect that he will "kick on", and with the experience of having Ibra here, he will learn quite a lot.
He will feature in more games than last season, so it will be an improvement for him all round I believe.

As for Pogba, personally I would prefer if we went after Kante, if we were willing to splash the cash, but if he does come then it certainly will be a sort of statement signing.

I am in no way shape or form getting my hopes or expectations up over it though, as the fee and associated costs just seem mad/crazy!
Tribec
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“As for Pogba, personally I would prefer if we went after Kante, if we were willing to splash the cash, but if he does come then it certainly will be a sort of statement signing.

I am in no way shape or form getting my hopes or expectations up over it though, as the fee and associated costs just seem mad/crazy!”

Are you serious? Kante over Pogba?

The only crazy thing about the cost for Pogba is that we'll paying however many millions for a moment of madness, when they felt that Rafael and Park could do a better job in the middle of the pitch than he could even back when he was a teenager. It was that non selection and the selection of those two that prompted the departure. Even today I can't fathom out why those two were selected ahead of him.
batdude_uk1
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Tribec:
“Are you serious? Kante over Pogba?

The only crazy thing about the cost for Pogba is that we'll paying however many millions for a moment of madness, when they felt that Rafael and Park could do a better job in the middle of the pitch than he could even back when he was a teenager. It was that non selection and the selection of those two that prompted the departure. Even today I can't fathom out why those two were selected ahead of him.”

Preferably in a dream scenario/world, I would have both, but I do rate Kante quite highly, and I would like to seem him here.

I do agree with your assessment of the situation regarding Pogba's previous time with us, and could understand his frustrations.
Stilton Cheesew
01-07-2016
I don't understand your concerns over re-signing a player like Pogba. No-one know how he would have developed if he hadn't left, its only speculation to assume he would have become the player he is today.

If he is the best out there and you can afford him then it seems quite sensible to try and sign him. He is on a different level to any Leicester player as well.
Jim De Ville
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“I don't understand your concerns over re-signing a player like Pogba. No-one know how he would have developed if he hadn't left, its only speculation to assume he would have become the player he is today.

If he is the best out there and you can afford him then it seems quite sensible to try and sign him. He is on a different level to any Leicester player as well.”

I agree.

I also don't really understand the worries over any perceived 'embarrassment', or being mocked by rival fans.

What's 'embarrassing' about having one of the world's best young players in your team, regardless of how it came about?
Nova21
01-07-2016
More likely to be mocked about ibrahimovic... It's a man city/monaco/Psg style signing.
Jim De Ville
01-07-2016
What's wrong with City and PSG?

They seem to have been fairly successful, in recent times.

Certainly moreso than us.
Stilton Cheesew
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“More likely to be mocked about ibrahimovic... It's a man city/monaco/Psg style signing.”

Its free and risk free and it protects Man Utds young forwards, its the least "money club" signing imaginable.
batdude_uk1
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“I don't understand your concerns over re-signing a player like Pogba. No-one know how he would have developed if he hadn't left, its only speculation to assume he would have become the player he is today.

If he is the best out there and you can afford him then it seems quite sensible to try and sign him. He is on a different level to any Leicester player as well.”

I guess that as I say I have been brainwashed by Moyes and then LvG into accepting mediocrity, rather than the best, I need to get my head around to thinking that we are capable of signing the best players once again.
NorthernNinny
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“I agree.

I also don't really understand the worries over any perceived 'embarrassment', or being mocked by rival fans.

What's 'embarrassing' about having one of the world's best young players in your team, regardless of how it came about?”

Chelsea resigned Matic didn't they?

Tbh with some of the fees quoted i'm not sure he's worth it.
Stilton Cheesew
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I guess that as I say I have been brainwashed by Moyes and then LvG into accepting mediocrity, rather than the best, I need to get my head around to thinking that we are capable of signing the best players once again.”

I would argue Man Utd have signed bigger players under Van Gaal than traditionally in the past under Ferguson where he was more locally focussed with his signing of existing PL players.
eugenespeed
01-07-2016
Just breaking according to BBC Five Live. Ryan Giggs is leaving you guys.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36665691
Danny_Francis
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by eugenespeed:
“Just breaking according to BBC Five Live. Ryan Giggs is leaving you guys.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36665691”

My favourite of all time, it's sad but I can understand his reasons.Good luck Giggsy!
Fergie86
01-07-2016
Good luck for the future Giggsy a true United legend, what he achieved as a player will never be matched again almost 1,000 games, 13 League titles, 4 FA Cups, 4 League Cups and 2 European Cups as well as 168 goals is the stuff of dreams, yes he played on for too long at the end but it dosn't take away from his achievements and all good things must come to an end.

I think it is the right time for Ryan to move on to be fair as he has been a part of the coaching staff or as Assistant manager in the David Moyes and LVG era's and they have been nothing short of a disaster to be fair. Ryan can't keep being given chances at United on the coaching set up because of his past successes as a player and not be held accountable when things don't go right. Ryan needs to cut his teeth on his own and become a manager in his own right to see if he is cut out for it, there is no reason why he can't come back to the club as manager in one day if he shows he is the real deal, time is on his side and Jose isn't going to be here for 26 years like Sir Alex was.
Jim De Ville
01-07-2016
Struggling to care much about Giggs at all, to be honest.

No point in living in the past.
Land lord
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“Struggling to care much about Giggs at all, to be honest.

No point in living in the past.”

His punditry last night was f**king awful, always sounds so bored, cant see him ever motivating a team in the dressing room.
NorthernNinny
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by eugenespeed:
“Just breaking according to BBC Five Live. Ryan Giggs is leaving you guys.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36665691”

He's been leaving for weeks though according to the press.

The silver lining with LVG's failure put this future project to bed once and for all.

Thankfully.
batdude_uk1
01-07-2016
Well it looks like Giggs is on his way out, sad to see him leave, as this season will be the first for me since I started supporting us in earnest, that there will be no Giggs connection with the club.

It is for the best though, as if he does have aspirations of being a manager, then those are best served elsewhere, and away from us.
Tribec
01-07-2016
The question is, what does he have to do as a manager to prove himself capable of coming back to United?
batdude_uk1
01-07-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“I would argue Man Utd have signed bigger players under Van Gaal than traditionally in the past under Ferguson where he was more locally focussed with his signing of existing PL players.”

True, but our expectations all round have been lowed by both Moyes and LvG, and so my thoughts towards transfers, and who we could possibly get has thus been affected.

I think once January say comes around, and José has well and truly been bedded in, then my brain might have been rewired somewhat.
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