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Old 01-07-2016, 13:30
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The question is, what does he have to do as a manager to prove himself capable of coming back to United?
I would say, and this is of course only my personal opinion, he would have to do great things with a club not expected to great things.

So just hypothetically speaking, say if he took Stoke into the Champions League, (I am not going to say do a Leicester and win the league!) and then keep them in and around fourth or fifth place.

Something along those lines I would say, would be enough to show that he is good at this management lark, but the hard thing will be of course getting such a prominent job in the first place.
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Old 01-07-2016, 13:34
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If he won the league with any English, Spanish, German or Italian club then he would probably qualify... Even if those teams were favourites
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Old 01-07-2016, 13:34
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Not much he does as a manager at club level would put him in the bracket of being acceptable for the United job other than the fact he is Ryan Giggs and most people suggest that in itself shouldn't be enough anyway.

Doing well with a smaller side doesn't really ready you for the task of managing a club like Man Utd. Moyes did well with Everton but was hopelessly out of his depth at the sheer scale of the post and Everton are a big side in their own right.
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Old 01-07-2016, 13:36
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I would say, and this is of course only my personal opinion, he would have to do great things with a club not expected to great things.

So just hypothetically speaking, say if he took Stoke into the Champions League, (I am not going to say do a Leicester and win the league!) and then keep them in and around fourth or fifth place.

Something along those lines I would say, would be enough to show that he is good at this management lark, but the hard thing will be of course getting such a prominent job in the first place.
OK, anyone care to to suggest a manager who has done this previously? With say a club like errr.... Everton?

I'm honestly not sure what he has to do to prove himself. I've heard people say that to manage us you have to have won in Europe, but seriously only 2 clubs per season can do that, and 5 or 6 clubs seem to do so on a regular basis.
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Old 01-07-2016, 13:44
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OK, anyone care to to suggest a manager who has done this previously? With say a club like errr.... Everton?

I'm honestly not sure what he has to do to prove himself. I've heard people say that to manage us you have to have won in Europe, but seriously only 2 clubs per season can do that, and 5 or 6 clubs seem to do so on a regular basis.
Yeah I know Moyes got Everton into fourth place, but then the subsequent year he lost in the play-off round to a very good Villerreal side.

It is very hard, as it should be, for anyone to have the right and proper credentials to be our manager, as we should only from now on in, be looking to appoint the very best person for the role.

In terms of Giggs, that should also apply to him, he needs to go away, out the hours and years in, and if he is a success in the future, then and only then, should we be looking at him, as a potential candidate to be our manager.
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Old 01-07-2016, 14:47
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The question is, what does he have to do as a manager to prove himself capable of coming back to United?
He basically needs to have a CV similar to the previous and current manager and similiar trophy success.
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Old 01-07-2016, 17:10
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Looks like Zlatan is having his medical.
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Old 01-07-2016, 17:19
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Looks like Zlatan is having his medical.
Yeah I think we might be waiting to officially announce his transfer when Mikatarayn's is also done, so we can do double duty.
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Old 01-07-2016, 17:45
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Looks like Zlatan is having his medical.
All done, by the looks of it: https://www.facebook.com/manchesterunited/
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Old 01-07-2016, 17:48
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Old 01-07-2016, 17:51
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Fantastic!!

"It's Zlatan time!", it certainly is!

Bring on the Mikatarayn deal now!!
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Old 01-07-2016, 18:00
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Great news.
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Old 01-07-2016, 18:03
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Here he is with the shirt!

https://twitter.com/utdreport/status...858734080?s=09
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Old 01-07-2016, 18:09
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So how well do you think zlatan will do in the prem?
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Old 01-07-2016, 18:13
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So how well do you think zlatan will do in the prem?
I think he will be a success. Not by last season's standard in France but by premiership standard.

Maybe 15 goals. I woukd be happy with that.
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Old 01-07-2016, 18:49
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I think it's potentially a good signing and I'm happy to have such a character at the club, but there's also part of me that's a little concerned it could go tits up. So I'll just smile and hope for the best rather than start doing cartwheels round my living room.

As for Mkhitaryan, now that's the signing that will get me popping corks.

The Guardian, a usually fairly sensible source of information, keeps pushing the Pogba to United line every day. It's starting to make me think there may be something in it. I'd still be staggered if he actually did end up back here but stranger things have happened.
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Old 01-07-2016, 19:06
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It's not that bad over there tbh. I've dipped my toe in recently with the referendum going on and it's no worse than the football forum in all honesty.
BIB - That is a euphemism for kicking backsides.........Enjoyed your presence there.
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Old 01-07-2016, 19:18
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So how well do you think zlatan will do in the prem?
I can him doing very well if we play to his strengths, and with that in mind, we couldn't have a better manager for the job than José.

I can see him possibly breaking the 20 goal barrier, if we can get him going asap.
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Old 01-07-2016, 19:21
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I think it's potentially a good signing and I'm happy to have such a character at the club, but there's also part of me that's a little concerned it could go tits up. So I'll just smile and hope for the best rather than start doing cartwheels round my living room.

As for Mkhitaryan, now that's the signing that will get me popping corks.

The Guardian, a usually fairly sensible source of information, keeps pushing the Pogba to United line every day. It's starting to make me think there may be something in it. I'd still be staggered if he actually did end up back here but stranger things have happened.
It's been picked up by some pretty reliable sources abroad as well (L'equipe, Di Marzio etc), think we are definitely pushing for it, albeit still unlikely. Makes a lot of sense but even if we beat Madrid to it this summer I'd still have a nagging feeling that we'd only have him for a couple of years. Love to be wrong though.
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Old 01-07-2016, 19:24
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Never see the Real Madrid threat as the major boner killer that some make it out to be. If he turns up here, plays superbly for a couple of season and then ****s off to Spain it's not a big problem. We'll have gotten two seasons from a great player and most likely our money back too.
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Old 01-07-2016, 20:25
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Err no Man Utd has signed for Zlaten
Zlatan doesn't actually want to play football. Grass just grows wherever he walks.

They say great players make the ball talk. Zlatan makes it recite Shakespeare.

Zlatan doesn't jump for headers. He descends.

One of Zlatan's bicycle kicks once won the tour de-France.

Pele is the black Zlatan.

The only person who has a better cross than Zlatan is Jesus.

Oh, this season is going to be so much fun......

It'll be interesting to see how Rashford gets on, this year. He was something of an unknown quantity last season, but you'd have to assume that teams will be wise to him, from now on. Big season for him.

Meanwhile, the Star reckon that we're in 'advanced talks' with Pogba, and are ready to pay £80m. Madrid and Barcelona need to pull their fingers out.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rashford has a mid-season lull, but the fact that him and Martial have been used sparingly at the Euro's (so far) should work in our favour next season. As for Pogba, £80m is light unless there's a player exchange involved. Maybe Zlatan?

Are you serious? Kante over Pogba?

The only crazy thing about the cost for Pogba is that we'll paying however many millions for a moment of madness, when they felt that Rafael and Park could do a better job in the middle of the pitch than he could even back when he was a teenager. It was that non selection and the selection of those two that prompted the departure. Even today I can't fathom out why those two were selected ahead of him.
Maybe one day we'll find out. But yeah, Pogba over Kante any day though Kante is very, very good at what he does.

I guess that as I say I have been brainwashed by Moyes and then LvG into accepting mediocrity, rather than the best, I need to get my head around to thinking that we are capable of signing the best players once again.
Get your head around it. We have Jose now. Kante is not mediocre by any stretch and would cost a fair packet. But there are a few of his type available. I can't see many who offer the potential that Pogba does.

Just breaking according to BBC Five Live. Ryan Giggs is leaving you guys.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36665691
Gone too soon in my opinion.

So how well do you think zlatan will do in the prem?
I'll be happy with 8-10 goals and 8-10 assists.
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Old 01-07-2016, 22:13
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I think it's potentially a good signing and I'm happy to have such a character at the club, but there's also part of me that's a little concerned it could go tits up. So I'll just smile and hope for the best rather than start doing cartwheels round my living room.
I don't really see how it could go 'tits up'.

If he's clearly off the pace, and can't adapt, well he's only here for a year. Mourinho's no mug. If it's not working, he'll change it up.

I don't see him 'doing a Van Persie', but I struggle to see a downside. People moan about Falcao, but did it really hurt us?
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Old 01-07-2016, 22:21
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Am I the only one here underwhelmed by the Zlatan signing?
I fear paying a fortune in wages for someone just looking for his last pay day, strutting around and not being a team player.

I really hope I'm wrong though
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Old 01-07-2016, 22:37
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Not much he does as a manager at club level would put him in the bracket of being acceptable for the United job other than the fact he is Ryan Giggs and most people suggest that in itself shouldn't be enough anyway.

Doing well with a smaller side doesn't really ready you for the task of managing a club like Man Utd. Moyes did well with Everton but was hopelessly out of his depth at the sheer scale of the post and Everton are a big side in their own right.
I remember some reporter saying (on the day Jose got the job) that the problem Giggs has is that if you leave United there's very little chance he'll be asked back for the job. I mean, look at the other 'legends' who have gone into management and no one has ever considered them for the United job except in passing. I remember a game in 06/07 against a Mark Hughes side and there was some comment about him maybe being considered for the United job 'in the future'. Course, Fergie was there for 6 years after that so it was easy to say things like that when no one ever seemed to imagine Fergie retiring ever!

Also, Giggs has a problem in that he's been part of 2 management failures by United's high standards and he never got sacked but everyone else did, which gives the impression he was never given a 'real job' because if he had he'd have been as responsible for the failures as much as the others were, wouldn't he? So he'd have been sacked, but he never was. I certainly don't blame Jose for wanting him no where near his management team for that reason alone.

And United said the other week there had been no offers of jobs for Giggs at all. Maybe it's cos of that odd position he seemed to have at United in that he was taken on and not sacked just because he was Ryan Giggs.
So many of his old mates say he should get the job because he's a United legends, he knows the United way, and he knows the club inside out. So why would that appeal to any other club? Doesn't help any other club that he only knows United inside out, does it?
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Old 01-07-2016, 22:40
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I don't really see how it could go 'tits up'.

If he's clearly off the pace, and can't adapt, well he's only here for a year. Mourinho's no mug. If it's not working, he'll change it up.

I don't see him 'doing a Van Persie', but I struggle to see a downside. People moan about Falcao, but did it really hurt us?
We're signing players in the hope they play really well and win us something. If we get a dud there will always be that regret at signing him instead of someone else. It's actually more important this time around because I don't think we have the strength in depth up top to afford Zlat being rubbish, whereas Falcao always felt like a bit of a risk free gamble who would probably occupy a supersub role.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see him here, and I'm pretty positive about his chances of succeeding, but it's tinged with a slight concern that it might not work out and we could be left short up front.
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