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Old 05-07-2016, 13:25
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The powers that be at Manchester United must have watched that press conference today and wondered why they didn't appoint Mourinho 3 years ago.

4 big, proper signings is ideal for any club. Enough to reshape the team but any more would be too many to gel together. A solid message to Wayne Rooney too - perform as a striker or you wont be playing at all. Also getting all transfer business done early as a matter of priority gives maximum time for the team to work together.

I think the other big sides will have to start worrying about Manchester United again.
It was brilliant. Actions speak louder than words obviously, but it was exactly the sort of stuff you want to hear from a new manager.
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Old 05-07-2016, 13:40
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If we get him, do you think the idea is to play Pog alongside Schneiderlin, with Mhik and Martial eithr side of Rooney further forward, and Zlat the big man up top?
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Old 05-07-2016, 13:56
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If you want young players in the team then you have to change the target. You cant expect immediate success AND blooding youngsters. There is a massive difference between playing young players who are good enough like Martial and perhaps Rashford and playing any young players simply because its expected.

Mourinho doesn't have time to blood young players. Moyes got less than a season, Van Gaal got less than two.
You say "perhaps Rashford", why the perhaps?
Do you not think that he is good enough?

We have a history and have over the years given the chance for a lot of young players to prove that they are good enough, with people like TFM, and Tuanzebe, for example being on the cusp of the first team (certainly they are too good for the Under 21 league), then it would be a shame to have them and not use them,and stunt their development, as it seems to be the case with Adnan, and maybe Pieriera.

As I say it is just a personal thing, I will always enjoy a match far more if a younger player is involved, as I think that is how the structure should work.
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Old 05-07-2016, 13:58
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It was brilliant. Actions speak louder than words obviously, but it was exactly the sort of stuff you want to hear from a new manager.
The dig at Wenger was typical José as well, he cannot go a day without poking fun at him it seems.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:00
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If we get him, do you think the idea is to play Pog alongside Schneiderlin, with Mhik and Martial eithr side of Rooney further forward, and Zlat the big man up top?
I have no idea over the midfield if we got Pogba, quite where and how players like Herrera, Schweinsteiger, and Fellaini also fit into this will be a bit of a mystery.

So many options, he could decide to go any number of different ways.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:02
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I have no idea over the midfield if we got Pogba, quite where and how players like Herrera, Schweinsteiger, and Fellaini also fit into this will be a bit of a mystery.

So many options, he could decide to go any number of different ways.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:11
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You say "perhaps Rashford", why the perhaps?
Do you not think that he is good enough?

We have a history and have over the years given the chance for a lot of young players to prove that they are good enough, with people like TFM, and Tuanzebe, for example being on the cusp of the first team (certainly they are too good for the Under 21 league), then it would be a shame to have them and not use them,and stunt their development, as it seems to be the case with Adnan, and maybe Pieriera.

As I say it is just a personal thing, I will always enjoy a match far more if a younger player is involved, as I think that is how the structure should work.
I say perhaps simply because he is so young and has less than half a season under his belt, he could easily still do a Januzaj in season two and that is the inherent problem with giving multiple young players an opportunity - you often do it at the expense of consistency. Mourinho doesn't have time to play all these guys and hope they come good because he will be sacked while he is finding out.

Of course if Rashford continues his scoring he will play, but not because he is young, it will be because he is successful and doing the best job.

Man Utd have nowhere near the obsession with youngsters that people seem to think IMO. The Class of 92 essentially had it covered for the best part of 20 years!
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:12
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If you have nothing to contribute then there's no need to post.
Okay, sorry about that, if I posted anything that was deemed not post worthy.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:17
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Okay, sorry about that, if I posted anything that was deemed not post worthy.
You can post whatever you like, but there's no need to feel you have to reply to everything in here. Letting me know you have no idea is not really necessary. Having said that, i prefer when you admit to having no idea rather than just copy and pasting a bunch of ideas from some journos twitter.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:17
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The powers that be at Manchester United must have watched that press conference today and wondered why they didn't appoint Mourinho 3 years ago.
They didn't think they needed 'his type' to carry on the way they had been under Fergie.
The club wasn't where it is now, and now they are desperate to get back to where they once were.
They've been reduced to having to bite the bullet and hire someone they don't really want and someone who does not got about the game in the ways of Manchester United.
It's very much a marriage of convenience for both parties
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:19
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I say perhaps simply because he is so young and has less than half a season under his belt, he could easily still do a Januzaj in season two and that is the inherent problem with giving multiple young players an opportunity - you often do it at the expense of consistency. Mourinho doesn't have time to play all these guys and hope they come good because he will be sacked while he is finding out.

Of course if Rashford continues his scoring he will play, but not because he is young, it will be because he is successful and doing the best job.

Man Utd have nowhere near the obsession with youngsters that people seem to think IMO. The Class of 92 essentially had it covered for the best part of 20 years!
It wasn't just the that famous group of players, in more recent times there was Evans, Wilson, Lawrence, Wilson, Welbeck, and last season we gave debuts to a fair few players.

It is just about giving them a chance and not stunting their development by not allowing them to play games, if not in our first team, then out on loan, where they might get more game time, and thus help their development.

What is the point in having a youth structure, if at the end of that structure (the Under 21's), there is no pathway to the first team?
I am in way shape or form, asking for any manager of ours to play youth players that don't deserve the opportunity, it should be as a reward for consistently doing well at their respective level.
Hence why at the moment perhaps only two or three are in the discussion for the step up.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:28
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It wasn't just the that famous group of players, in more recent times there was Evans, Wilson, Lawrence, Wilson, Welbeck, and last season we gave debuts to a fair few players.

It is just about giving them a chance and not stunting their development by not allowing them to play games, if not in our first team, then out on loan, where they might get more game time, and thus help their development.

What is the point in having a youth structure, if at the end of that structure (the Under 21's), there is no pathway to the first team?
I am in way shape or form, asking for any manager of ours to play youth players that don't deserve the opportunity, it should be as a reward for consistently doing well at their respective level.
Hence why at the moment perhaps only two or three are in the discussion for the step up.
Man Utd failed last season, which is my very point. These youngsters may have played but it wasn't in a title challenging side. Only the very best young players should be anywhere near the first team of a top side, it should never be a given that they will get opportunities they need to earn them. Rashford grabbed his, Januzaj did a couple of years ago then regressed. There will be one or two that make it but ultimately most wont be of the standard. Of your list Jonny Evans is the only one worth talking about, the rest weren't up to it.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:30
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So glad Evans has gone, really hated the guy.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:31
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Oh, great. This crap again.

If you're including Lawrence in a list of players that have been 'brought through', then you've lost the argument.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:32
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James Wilson. So good that he was mentioned twice!
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:33
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Oh, great. This crap again.

If you're including Lawrence in a list of players that have been 'brought through', then you've lost the argument.
Okay then replace him with Fletcher, or someone else more to your liking, the point still stands.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:34
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Oh, great. This crap again.

If you're including Lawrence in a list of players that have been 'brought through', then you've lost the argument.
My apologies, I just don't feel any manager is under some obligation to play young players, its a bit of a bugbear of mine! I assume Batdude wanted Van Gaal to stay because he was bringing youngsters through but the majority of clubs and fans put winning higher on the list of priorities.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:36
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I'm so jealous.



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Old 05-07-2016, 14:36
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Man Utd failed last season, which is my very point. These youngsters may have played but it wasn't in a title challenging side. Only the very best young players should be anywhere near the first team of a top side, it should never be a given that they will get opportunities they need to earn them. Rashford grabbed his, Januzaj did a couple of years ago then regressed. There will be one or two that make it but ultimately most wont be of the standard. Of your list Jonny Evans is the only one worth talking about, the rest weren't up to it.
If you re-read my post once again, I said that chances should go only to those that have earned ithat chance, by consistently doing well at their respective level.
It should not just be an automatic step, but one that is there for the very best, like TFM or Tunazabe for example, and a step that we should keep open.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:39
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My apologies, I just don't feel any manager is under some obligation to play young players, its a bit of a bugbear of mine! I assume Batdude wanted Van Gaal to stay because he was bringing youngsters through but the majority of clubs and fans put winning higher on the list of priorities.
I didn't want LvG to stay at the end, because he had outlived his tenure here, yes he did play a few youngsters and for that he deserves credit (no matter the reasons as to why they got those chances), but overall in the big picture, he just did not play the right football style, or achieve what we should be expecting of our managers.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:40
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James Wilson. So good that he was mentioned twice!
Slight error there, just ignore the second mention then!
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:41
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If you re-read my post once again, I said that chances should go only to those that have earned ithat chance, by consistently doing well at their respective level.
It should not just be an automatic step, but one that is there for the very best, like TFM or Tunazabe for example, and a step that we should keep open.
It is open. I don't understand why you think it isn't. If a player looks better than what is available then he will get a chance. That's how it works at any club. The trouble is people have this obsession that there needs to be a production line of kids, this is no longer the case. The top clubs are wealthy, the bar should be set so high that 99% of kids just aren't good enough. There aren't too many players who leave Man Utd as youngsters due to a lack of opportunities who come back to haunt them. That's tells you that it works.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:43
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Okay then replace him with Fletcher, or someone else more to your liking, the point still stands.
No it doesn't. Players have been brought through, and then discarded due to not being good enough, in the main.

We haven't brought through a real, top-class player since the early 90's.

My apologies, I just don't feel any manager is under some obligation to play young players, its a bit of a bugbear of mine! I assume Batdude wanted Van Gaal to stay because he was bringing youngsters through but the majority of clubs and fans put winning higher on the list of priorities.
Oh, I completely agree. It's just that this argument has been had with Batdude on several thousand different occasions, and it never goes anywhere.

He spent much of last season whining about the dire football under Van Gaal. Yes, the same Van Gaal who thought that we didn't need too many signings, because we had the youth players.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:48
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Oh, I completely agree. It's just that this argument has been had with Batdude on several thousand different occasions, and it never goes anywhere.

He spent much of last season whining about the dire football under Van Gaal. Yes, the same Van Gaal who thought that we didn't need too many signings, because we had the youth players.
Spot on. All this 'hmmm yes id like us to win and win with players from manchester and id like them to have brown hair and etc etc' is an attitude that you might be able to have if you're winning title after title, but right now our only focus should be winning in any way we can. All this other shite is just that.
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Old 05-07-2016, 14:56
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Fair enough, as I said this is just a personal thing, and people will obviously disagree, and there is no "right" or "wrong" way to select a team.

From a purely personal point of view, I will always much prefer to see the production line given a fair chance, others by the looks of things disagree, and that is fine, I have no issues at all with a different point of view on this.
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