It didn't bring ANY bad headlines on Man Utd. Man Utd aren't responsible for players private lives. I cant imagine the "top brass" were bothered in the slightest.

Why? How is it 'strange' to loan out a player, just because he's been on loan before? And shoehorning in his previous loan club is completely needless.

If Mourinho doesn't think that he'll use him this season, but has seen enough to think that he might be good enough in years to come, then loaning him makes total sense. What's the rush to 'make a firm decision one way or the other'?


Valencia seems to be bombproof. I like the guy, but you have to wonder if he's really all that useful for a club with our ambitions.

Yeah, shame if Varela is to leave us, as he does have bags of potential.

Oi oi... Man United fans start to doubt mourinho!

There was a drip feed of negative press under both managers, obviously with good reason but do you not find it strange that there was also regular updates about the 'positive' influence of GIggs?

The Mirror was like a mouthpiece especially towards the end of Louis tenure from certain journalists in particular.

You don't think influential player(s) are feeding the press information when it suits?

I totally disagree, I think they were but while he wasn't allowing his debauchery to influence his football they were probably just hoping it would all blow over until John Terry got upto no good again.

Just because they didn't come out and call him a scrote doesn't mean they were fine about it.

None of which would imply that any of it was coming from Giggs himself.

Any club will have a couple of players who don't get on with the manager, for whatever reason. They might make their frustrations known. None of it points to some conspiracy.

A lot of journalists, and especially internet-based 'ITK's', make out that they have way more information than they actually do. They will also spin whatever information they do have, to suit their agendas.

If Van Gaal genuinely believed that Giggs was trying to undermine him, I have no doubt that we would have heard about it from the horse's mouth.

With Giggs now gone, will anyone (Rooney, Carrick perhaps I don't know), do such things??

How do we know that confidentially causes haven't been agreed as part of a severance package?

Jose is a good friend of Louis, according some of the recent pieces from the press he never even spoke to GIggs about a role, something that Giggs wasn't too happy about. Maybe he didn't want someone hanging around who was after his job?

GIggs wasn't the only player suspected of leaks, the one with a powerful agent has also been touted as a 'grass'.

See my last post.

Fine, believe that guff if you like. Do you really believe that someone like Mourinho would be worried about Giggs?

I'll look to the fact that Van Gaal was at the club for two years, and never even intimated that there was a problem.

If Ryan Giggs plays away that has nothing to do with Man Utd nor can Man Utd influence it in any way any more than my employer or your employer can should either of us be up to such behaviour. As a result it doesn't reflect on anyone but Ryan Giggs himself and has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else outwith the parties involved.

They may have an opinion of his behaviour the same way the public do but that's completely irrelevant.

Given that the Glazer family has a history of suing each other over financial disputes, I can't imagine they'll have been overly concerned about Giggs' behaviour tbh.

It wasn't just playing away though was it?

Having sex with your brothers wife for eight years and chucking in some money for her to have an abortion in between goes beyond just playing away.

It'd make the audience on the Jeremy Kyle show blush.

No I don't think he's worried about him because he obviously wasn't part of his plans which is why he's now looking for work.

Doesnt matter. Its not illegal. It has nothing to do with his job and its no business of the clubs. We have no idea what anyone gets up to in their private life nor are we entitled to know. My employer quite rightly wouldn't care if I was doing the exact same as Giggs unless a by-product of it was that my work was affected. He may privately have an opinion on my behaviour but that doesn't matter at all.

People are far too precious about holding footballers up to standards that we don't demand nor care about from anyone else

Giggs felt that he'd served his time, and wanted the manager's job. He didn't get it. He left.

I really don't think that there's much more to it than that. Mourinho said that Giggs left of his own volition, and Giggs said the same.

I don't think that it had anything to do with Mourinho being worried about Giggs 'hanging around' and 'wanting his job'.

Obviously if his work had been affected he'd have been out on his arse.

But imo he shouldn't have been allowed to remain as long as he did before he retired because his contribution to the team had become limited although I understand this was a different issue.

Yeah that's a different issue and a totally valid viewpoint.

If I may ask, what sort of team are people expecting to see put out against Wigan tomorrow?

I am expecting a fairly youthful one, seeing as a fair few are still on holiday after the European Championship.

I could be wrong, but I have a hunch that we'll put out a football team. Possibly even a Manchester United one.

Really?

Thanks for that reply.

I was hoping for a bit more than that when trying to work out if Mik might make his debut, or if Adnan might get a game, that sort of thing, but I guess I was foolish to expect such discussion about our new manager's first game in charge of us.

Yes, you were. Seeing as it's literally impossible to predict what Mourinho's thinking about a meaningless pre-season friendly.

Don't have a go at others for not providing the sort of answer that you may have been expecting when you've provided absolutely no speculation yourself.

Oh, and I don't need 'thanking' for my reply. Contrary to appearances, this is not your thread.

This is not my thread, and I have never ever claimed it was, or anything along those lines, so why put the implementation out there??

This is a thread for everyone to get involved with, not just fans of the club, but everyone, they are all welcome here, if they have a point to make, or wish to interact with us.
I am just purely another member, no more than that.

I only asked what I thought was a simple quest, about what sort or kind of team we might be expecting to see in our first match under our new manager.
I thought part of being the thread about Manchester United also meant talking about possible team news, so I was trying to keep things on topic so to speak.
If you don't wish to speculate about who might be playing, because you don't wish to, or because it is a meaningless friendly, then fair enough, that is entirely a fair view to take, but I don't think that there is any need for sarcasm or a sarcastic response to those who wish to talk about the upcoming match tomorrow.

If this is true:


Then I'm not really sure that it's up to you to decide this:


You claim that you only see yourself as 'another member' of the forum, and have no jurisdiction over this thread, but then throw your toys out of the pram when someone doesn't play along with your inane games.

For the record, my 'sarcastic comment' was actually just a light-hearted, jokey, throwaway line. I didn't realise that it would get you so upset, although I perhaps should have expected it.