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It did bring lots of negative headlines to the club, and that is something that will be with him now permanently (which he obviously brought on himself), so I would imagine the top brass were not exactly happy with him for that.
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Another loan after going to Real Madrid's B team does seem a bit strange, he either should be sold (of which I would be again), or he should be kept, and used as part of the squad here.
Loaning him out, in his case, just delays making a decision over his future with us. We should make a firm decision one way or another. If Mourinho doesn't think that he'll use him this season, but has seen enough to think that he might be good enough in years to come, then loaning him makes total sense. What's the rush to 'make a firm decision one way or the other'? Quote:
Given that Mourinho professed his love for 'specialists' recently, you'd have thought that would have benefited Varela over someone like Valencia.
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Given that Mourinho professed his love for 'specialists' recently, you'd have thought that would have benefited Varela over someone like Valencia.
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Given that Mourinho professed his love for 'specialists' recently, you'd have thought that would have benefited Varela over someone like Valencia.
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Do you honestly believe that Van Gaal would have put up with that? Even Moyes would have had something to say about it, I suspect.
The Mirror was like a mouthpiece especially towards the end of Louis tenure from certain journalists in particular. You don't think influential player(s) are feeding the press information when it suits? |
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It didn't bring ANY bad headlines on Man Utd. Man Utd aren't responsible for players private lives. I cant imagine the "top brass" were bothered in the slightest.
Just because they didn't come out and call him a scrote doesn't mean they were fine about it. |
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There was a drip feed of negative press under both managers, obviously with good reason but do you not find it strange that there was also regular updates about the 'positive' influence of GIggs?
The Mirror was like a mouthpiece especially towards the end of Louis tenure from certain journalists in particular. You don't think influential player(s) are feeding the press information when it suits? Any club will have a couple of players who don't get on with the manager, for whatever reason. They might make their frustrations known. None of it points to some conspiracy. A lot of journalists, and especially internet-based 'ITK's', make out that they have way more information than they actually do. They will also spin whatever information they do have, to suit their agendas. If Van Gaal genuinely believed that Giggs was trying to undermine him, I have no doubt that we would have heard about it from the horse's mouth. |
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With Giggs now gone, will anyone (Rooney, Carrick perhaps I don't know), do such things??
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None of which would imply that any of it was coming from Giggs himself.
Any club will have a couple of players who don't get on with the manager, for whatever reason. They might make their frustrations known. None of it points to some conspiracy. A lot of journalists, and especially internet-based 'ITK's', make out that they have way more information than they actually do. They will also spin whatever information they do have, to suit their agendas. If Van Gaal genuinely believed that Giggs was trying to undermine him, I have no doubt that we would have heard about it from the horse's mouth. Jose is a good friend of Louis, according some of the recent pieces from the press he never even spoke to GIggs about a role, something that Giggs wasn't too happy about. Maybe he didn't want someone hanging around who was after his job? GIggs wasn't the only player suspected of leaks, the one with a powerful agent has also been touted as a 'grass'. |
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With Giggs now gone, will anyone (Rooney, Carrick perhaps I don't know), do such things??
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How do we know that confidentially causes haven't been agreed as part of a severance package?
Jose is a good friend of Louis, according some of the recent pieces from the press he never even spoke to GIggs about a role, something that Giggs wasn't too happy about. Maybe he didn't want someone hanging around who was after his job? GIggs wasn't the only player suspected of leaks, the one with a powerful agent has also been touted as a 'grass'. I'll look to the fact that Van Gaal was at the club for two years, and never even intimated that there was a problem. |
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I totally disagree, I think they were but while he wasn't allowing his debauchery to influence his football they were probably just hoping it would all blow over until John Terry got upto no good again.
Just because they didn't come out and call him a scrote doesn't mean they were fine about it. They may have an opinion of his behaviour the same way the public do but that's completely irrelevant. |
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Given that the Glazer family has a history of suing each other over financial disputes, I can't imagine they'll have been overly concerned about Giggs' behaviour tbh.
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If Ryan Giggs plays away that has nothing to do with Man Utd nor can Man Utd influence it in any way any more than my employer or your employer can should either of us be up to such behaviour. As a result it doesn't reflect on anyone but Ryan Giggs himself and has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else outwith the parties involved.
They may have an opinion of his behaviour the same way the public do but that's completely irrelevant. Having sex with your brothers wife for eight years and chucking in some money for her to have an abortion in between goes beyond just playing away. It'd make the audience on the Jeremy Kyle show blush. |
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Fine, believe that guff if you like. Do you really believe that someone like Mourinho would be worried about Giggs?
I'll look to the fact that Van Gaal was at the club for two years, and never even intimated that there was a problem. |
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It wasn't just playing away though was it?
Having sex with your brothers wife for eight years and chucking in some money for her to have an abortion in between goes beyond just playing away. It'd make the audience on the Jeremy Kyle show blush. People are far too precious about holding footballers up to standards that we don't demand nor care about from anyone else |
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No I don't think he's worried about him because he obviously wasn't part of his plans which is why he's now looking for work.
I really don't think that there's much more to it than that. Mourinho said that Giggs left of his own volition, and Giggs said the same. I don't think that it had anything to do with Mourinho being worried about Giggs 'hanging around' and 'wanting his job'. |
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Doesnt matter. Its not illegal. It has nothing to do with his job and its no business of the clubs. We have no idea what anyone gets up to in their private life nor are we entitled to know. My employer quite rightly wouldn't care if I was doing the exact same as Giggs unless a by-product of it was that my work was affected. He may privately have an opinion on my behaviour but that doesn't matter at all.
People are far too precious about holding footballers up to standards that we don't demand nor care about from anyone else But imo he shouldn't have been allowed to remain as long as he did before he retired because his contribution to the team had become limited although I understand this was a different issue. |
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Obviously if his work had been affected he'd have been out on his arse.
But imo he shouldn't have been allowed to remain as long as he did before he retired because his contribution to the team had become limited although I understand this was a different issue. |
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If I may ask, what sort of team are people expecting to see put out against Wigan tomorrow?
I am expecting a fairly youthful one, seeing as a fair few are still on holiday after the European Championship. |
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I could be wrong, but I have a hunch that we'll put out a football team. Possibly even a Manchester United one.
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I could be wrong, but I have a hunch that we'll put out a football team. Possibly even a Manchester United one.
Thanks for that reply. I was hoping for a bit more than that when trying to work out if Mik might make his debut, or if Adnan might get a game, that sort of thing, but I guess I was foolish to expect such discussion about our new manager's first game in charge of us. |
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Really?
Thanks for that reply. I was hoping for a bit more than that when trying to work out if Mik might make his debut, or if Adnan might get a game, that sort of thing, but I guess I was foolish to expect such discussion about our new manager's first game in charge of us. Don't have a go at others for not providing the sort of answer that you may have been expecting when you've provided absolutely no speculation yourself. Oh, and I don't need 'thanking' for my reply. Contrary to appearances, this is not your thread. |
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Yes, you were. Seeing as it's literally impossible to predict what Mourinho's thinking about a meaningless pre-season friendly.
Don't have a go at others for not providing the sort of answer that you may have been expecting when you've provided absolutely no speculation yourself. Oh, and I don't need 'thanking' for my reply. Contrary to appearances, this is not your thread. This is a thread for everyone to get involved with, not just fans of the club, but everyone, they are all welcome here, if they have a point to make, or wish to interact with us. I am just purely another member, no more than that. I only asked what I thought was a simple quest, about what sort or kind of team we might be expecting to see in our first match under our new manager. I thought part of being the thread about Manchester United also meant talking about possible team news, so I was trying to keep things on topic so to speak. If you don't wish to speculate about who might be playing, because you don't wish to, or because it is a meaningless friendly, then fair enough, that is entirely a fair view to take, but I don't think that there is any need for sarcasm or a sarcastic response to those who wish to talk about the upcoming match tomorrow. |
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If this is true: Quote:
This is a thread for everyone to get involved with, not just fans of the club, but everyone, they are all welcome here, if they have a point to make, or wish to interact with us.
I am just purely another member, no more than that. Quote:
but I don't think that there is any need for sarcasm or a sarcastic response to those who wish to talk about the upcoming match tomorrow.
For the record, my 'sarcastic comment' was actually just a light-hearted, jokey, throwaway line. I didn't realise that it would get you so upset, although I perhaps should have expected it. |
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