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Well with Giggs, when the whole affair came out he was long past his best. The hypocrisy of football allows great players to get away with stuff. I'm a Liverpool fan so I know of the hypocrisy with us letting Suarez get away with murder. We'd have sacked a lesser player for just one of his episodes.
When it came out that Giggs had this affair he was long overstaying his welcome. If it bothered the club, professionally, they wouldn't have lost a world class player if they sacked him. So it does show that a club can definitely have different standards and rules for different players,depending on their respective importance to the team. |
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Didn't you sack a goalkeeper for laughing or something like that at a Hillsborough memorial??
So it does show that a club can definitely have different standards and rules for different players,depending on their respective importance to the team. |
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#5278 |
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Isnt that exactly what TheMunch said?
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Well then, great minds and all that.
![]() great minds isnt reading what someone else wrote 9 and half hours before, quoting them and repeating exactly what they said. Thats copying for no reason, |
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great minds would be if you said something at the same time.
great minds isnt reading what someone else wrote 9 and half hours before, quoting them and repeating exactly what they said. Thats copying for no reason, |
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Of course the more important you are the more you get away with however in the case of Giggs there was no case to answer as far as Man Utd were concerned.
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Of course the more important you are the more you get away with however in the case of Giggs there was no case to answer as far as Man Utd were concerned.
However, such behaviour if the stories are true helped us become the club we are today.. With another club getting rid of a star player for having an affair. |
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Not always the case, since we sacked a manager for an affair... I think the manager is more important than the club physio, and more so when the said manager was close to making us a title winning team again.
However, such behaviour if the stories are true helped us become the club we are today.. With another club getting rid of a star player for having an affair. Like I said in a post a day or two ago, if there are genuine feelings for someone else despite being married it's better to admit it and either work on the marriage or end it. It's the sneaking around and putting it about that I have a problem with. A friend of mine caught her husband's cheating, it wasn't a one night job he'd been at it for nearly a year and probably would have continued to do so if he hadn't been rumbled. The fact that Giggs had got the SPOTY while he was living a lie makes it all the less palatable imo. |
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Docherty was totally different to Giggs given that it affected another club employee.
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Not always the case, since we sacked a manager for an affair... I think the manager is more important than the club physio, and more so when the said manager was close to making us a title winning team again.
However, such behaviour if the stories are true helped us become the club we are today.. With another club getting rid of a star player for having an affair. |
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It was also a different era, we were not as big a world wide brand as we are currently, and so it might have been easier in those times (I wasn't around so I don't know for sure), to sack a manager, whereas if for example José did something similar today, perhaps it would be the physio that would be let go.
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its also fairly irrelevant to bring up attitudes 40 odd years ago and apply them to today. People in the 1950s were losing their jobs for being gay but its not going to happen now and if it does/did the outrage it would bring would be understandable.
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Two beautiful sights yesterday -
Luke Shaw back in the team The Manchester United manager prowling the touchline, yelling at the players, and not sat doing a crossword (for all we knew) miles from the touchline. Or, maybe a third - The fact Jose Mourinho is the Manchester United manager prowling the touchline, yelling at the players! ![]() And that was only a 'meaningless friendly'! |
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I was using what happened with the Doc, more of an example of how it's not always the case of the more important you are you get away with more. In all fairness it was always going to end up badly that situation, the unfortunate thing is that we know that Busby didn't like the Doc for what ever reason and the affair made the choice of who to sack easier as Busby and Louis Edwards were still at that point good friends.
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Although it was a shitty thing for the Doc to do he is still married to that woman he was having an affair with.
Like I said in a post a day or two ago, if there are genuine feelings for someone else despite being married it's better to admit it and either work on the marriage or end it. It's the sneaking around and putting it about that I have a problem with. A friend of mine caught her husband's cheating, it wasn't a one night job he'd been at it for nearly a year and probably would have continued to do so if he hadn't been rumbled. The fact that Giggs had got the SPOTY while he was living a lie makes it all the less palatable imo. Mind you, she's just as bad as him when you consider for 6 of those years she as 'just' living with his brother while she was shagging Giggs on the side. Presumably Brother Ryan was best man when his bit on the side married his brother..? I think they'd only been married about 18 months, something like that when the sordid truth came out. |
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Most amazing thing about the Giggs affair - literally - to me, anyway, was that he carried on this clever, sly deceit for 7 years! It wasn't a one-off thing, it didn't even last a month - 7 years!
Mind you, she's just as bad as him when you consider for 6 of those years she as 'just' living with his brother while she was shagging Giggs on the side. Presumably Brother Ryan was best man when his bit on the side married his brother..? I think they'd only been married about 18 months, something like that when the sordid truth came out. It's like those prostitutes that Rooney used. Bonny girls but as hard faced as they come. |
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Two beautiful sights yesterday -
Luke Shaw back in the team The Manchester United manager prowling the touchline, yelling at the players, and not sat doing a crossword (for all we knew) miles from the touchline. Or, maybe a third - The fact Jose Mourinho is the Manchester United manager prowling the touchline, yelling at the players! ![]() And that was only a 'meaningless friendly'! Oh and it is of course still for me sinking in that José is our manager, I did not think he would ever be our manager, so things have certainly changed on a lot of fronts. |
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The Sun reckon that we're after Fabhino, from Monaco.
Makes sense. We could really do with another right-back, especially if Varela is off. |
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The Sun reckon that we're after Fabhino, from Monaco.
Makes sense. We could really do with another right-back, especially if Varela is off. |
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Yeah it is still taking some getting used to, the fact that our manager is animated on the sidelines, and not writing an essay or whatnot.
Oh and it is of course still for me sinking in that José is our manager, I did not think he would ever be our manager, so things have certainly changed on a lot of fronts. As Van Gaal spent about maybe 5 minutes (that game v Arsenal where he fell down to make a point, and the last minutes of the Cup final extra time) in total on the touchline in 2 years, that was easily done! And Jose did first take up that position after, I think it was 1 minute and 20 seconds, something like that. And he seemed to spend most of the game on the touchline. I could've spent the game just watching him on the touchline if a camera had covered it! lol Just to witness this wonderful, foreign to United sight! And not a bleedin' clipboard/folder/notepad in sight thank God. Well ... I tell a lie, Jose was given a notebook by his assistant but he put it under his chair! |
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The last full/wing back we got from Monaco was quite good, so he will have a heck of a lot to live upto in that regard if he comes here!
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Everywhere you looked yesterday you could find millions of tweets saying the same thing - 'Jose spent more time on the touchline today than Van Gaal spent in 2 years'.
As Van Gaal spent about maybe 5 minutes (that game v Arsenal where he fell down to make a point, and the last minutes of the Cup final extra time) in total on the touchline in 2 years, that was easily done! And Jose did first take up that position after, I think it was 1 minute and 20 seconds, something like that. And he seemed to spend most of the game on the touchline. I could've spent the game just watching him on the touchline if a camera had covered it! lol Just to witness this wonderful, foreign to United sight! And not a bleedin' clipboard/folder/notepad in sight thank God. Well ... I tell a lie, Jose was given a notebook by his assistant but he put it under his chair! Quote:
Evra wasn't a 'wing back'.
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The Sun reckon that we're after Fabhino, from Monaco.
Makes sense. We could really do with another right-back, especially if Varela is off. |
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I'm all for giving Darmain another go. He started well last season before succumbing to philosophy along with a few others, and I'd like to think a new manager could get him back to form.
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Everywhere you looked yesterday you could find millions of tweets saying the same thing - 'Jose spent more time on the touchline today than Van Gaal spent in 2 years'.
As Van Gaal spent about maybe 5 minutes (that game v Arsenal where he fell down to make a point, and the last minutes of the Cup final extra time) in total on the touchline in 2 years, that was easily done! And Jose did first take up that position after, I think it was 1 minute and 20 seconds, something like that. And he seemed to spend most of the game on the touchline. I could've spent the game just watching him on the touchline if a camera had covered it! lol Just to witness this wonderful, foreign to United sight! And not a bleedin' clipboard/folder/notepad in sight thank God. Well ... I tell a lie, Jose was given a notebook by his assistant but he put it under his chair! van gaal recieved similar praise when he first took the job because people were comparing him to moyes, ultimately the proof is in the pudding and the results are the only thing that matters. |
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