Madrid already renounced their interest about him. As a Madrid fan, I'm glad that for once they didn't spend all that money to get him. Great player but I think that he's slightly overrated. Let another club have him.

Yeah, it's never appealed to me. Have some friends who went there and they came back with some horror stories. You'd need a strong stomach, that's for sure.

Well we have made another signing, and this time it is an actual player!

https://twitter.com/AfeweeBrixton/st...174259200?s=09

you say ''rather them then me'' as if to suggest that the players are putting themselves in peril by travelling to china, then you go on to acknowledge that they will be fine because they are part of an organised high profile group, so you just rendered your ''rather them then me'' comment to be irrelevant...

The point is they did get him, save for a couple of minutes late paperwork. You know this, everyone knows this. Sticking your head in the sand about it doesn't change it.



overpriced maybe, not over rated.

"Overrated" has become one of my most hated words.

Overrated, overhyped, overpaid, all words I now hate, three words that get abused and misused far too much in football.

I don't like a player, or haven't seen enough of him, besides maybe a poor game in the Euros where he was played in a role he's not as effective in, so he's overrated. A talented 19 year old didn't win the Euros for England so he's overhyped. Rooney isn't paying nurses' wages so he's overpaid.

Yeah. Whenever i stick my head into the music forum some knobhead is describing some band as overrated. Who gives a f*ck.

Exactly, if you like some music, then so what does it matter if someone else doesn't, or they are not seen as trendy or whatnot??

Don't forget these overpaid footballers just kick a ball around. Anyone could do it really.

Totally.

All art is entirely subjective. You can critique the complexity, or originality, but you like what you like.

But not everyone can do it to such a standard that makes their clubs so much money, that gets their clubs so much money from TV deals, sponsorships, merchandise and marketing.

Anyone can box. Anyone can be an actor. Anyone can make a computer game. Doesn't mean the ones who are paid well, who are at the top of their game or field are overpaid.

They're paid what the football market says they're worth. Football has its own economy. They're not overpaid.

I agreed with your previous post, my sarcasm was perhaps difficult to detect. I am one of the few who does not get morally outraged over sportsmen wages and am in full support of the major elite earning all they can get.

You mentioned your dislike of the word overpaid and that is usually followed by a good old "they just kick a ball about" often from people who look like they would be a heart attack risk if they kicked a ball about in a five a side with their mates.

Ah, okay, fair enough. Would detect it if I knew you, or if I had more faith in people on this forum.

It's something that's always annoyed me. The whole "overrated, overpaid primadonna" thing.

I did consider you were being sarcastic, but went for a serious response, just in case.

No-one that is responsible for drawing massive crowds of willing punters is over paid. Truth is, that for at least half of the last century anyway, most sportsman were chronically under-paid. I defintely don't begrudge them the money they get now. If not for greedy promoters , managers and tightfisted club owners, they'd have got thier dues long ago. But sportsman and sporting events can definitely be over-hyped. And the disappointment that often comes with hyped events like the Mayweather/Pac fight or the England teams performance at the Euro's doesn't leave us with many places to go to rid of the frustration. So wages becomes an easy target.

Question: If we don't get Pogba or sign anyone else, how many on here would be happy with the team as it is?

So how will you and others who don't like that word allow people to express their views on players who they think are not as good as they are made out to be ?

Do they need to caveat every statement with.. Nb I haven't seen every game they've played, or I accept that a run of a few games doesn't mean my view is won listening to?

Eg... I think Henderson is over rated ... What should I say for people who hate that word not to get upset about my view on him?
Nb I've seen a lot of him from the beginning of his career

Overrated is fine when used properly. It's just not often used properly. Rooney is overrated, says A LOT of people. Sometimes it seems more people think he's overrated than people who actually rate him. Anyone who isn't consistently amazing for England is overrated.

You've criticised Henderson before. How is he overrated? You either see people criticise him, a lot of people really don't rate him, or people will say he has a good engine. I don't think he is actually that highly rated to be considered overrated. I like him, but not everyone does.

I can't say if Pogba is or is not overrated. I don't watch him enough. But I'm not convinced a lot of the people who say he is overrated have seen much of him, either.

Usually it gets used by people when they criticise the England players because they didn't do great for England. They're all overrated, overhyped, overpaid primadonnas. Based on a few games for England.



If you use the word properly, it's fine. Even if I disagree. The Henderson thing is fine, for example. I don't agree because I don't think enough people rate him (in comparison to those who don't) for him to be considered overrated, but it's fine if you think that. But a lot of people just use it wrong.

Eh....still slightly overrated imo. I've seen him play and he's good, amazing even but not out of this world amazing as some people make seem. Imo.

I am in full agreement with your first point, the players and managerial staff are the ones that should be getting the vast majority of the money that is currently floating about at any one time in the history of sports, as they are the people that make it all happen.
For too long they have been taken advantage of, and it is only recently that they are getting anywhere close to being paid what they should be.

Yes some of the figures are eye wateringly high (and then you see some MLB and NFL deals and then you think maybe not), but to be a top sportsman or woman takes years of dedication, and so they deserve to be rewarded financially once the very select few reach the top of their chosen sport.


As for your Pogba question, personally I would love to have him back, however if we do not sign him, then either I would hope that we might have a backup plan, or something in mind, as I do think we are that one player of a sufficient high a level (such as Pogba is), to be really challenging for all of the competitions that we are in this season.

Yes, I know this is slightly going off of the topic, but something similar that really gets on my nerves, are people that call themselves "food critics", what exactly makes their tastebuds any better than mine??

Just as with music, you are perfectly entitled to like what you like, and not to like what you don't like.

There does seem to be a great deal of snobbery in both areas (food and music), and that just really gets on my nerves if I being totally honest.

Food critics appreciate and understand the layers and flavours of a meal and how its been created. You might have pasta and sausage or whatever and that's all you see. They'd know the pasta was homemade with a certain flour and the breed of cow/pig the is, what its fed on blah blah blah.

Don't get me started on say "wine connoisseurs"!!

The way they go on and on about a hint of this mixed with a hint of that, deary me!

That's perfectly valid.

There is a distinct difference between wines. Not everything has to be smashed down your throat like a can of Tizer.

I can perfectly understand that all wines are different, and are mass produced differently, but it is just the way they go on about as if they are the only people who have the authority on tasting wines, as if only their tastebuds can separate the difference tastes.

I think criticism can be very useful and great to read when done well. My problem with the overrated tag is it is usually applied when someone is pissed that a lot of other people like something they don't, and rarely comes with an attempt to sensibly critique whatever it is they consider to be overrated. In music, any artist that gains any kind of attention gets hit with the label almost straight away.

Wine snobs are tedious, but it's possible to be an expert in that area (and I don't mean by being a pisshead!). Take journalism for instance, most professional journalists will have a specialism, and they'll feel they can report on whatever it is with a degree of nuance and expertise that might evade your average joe with a certificate in the subject from the local polytechnic.