it was 1 goal between them, not 3, we were losing the game when zlatan went off. as i said before the introduction of rashford's pace completely changed the game.


this forum bowed to van gaal's insight when he decided schweinsteiger would be a good signing, i was one of the few that argued signing him would be a mistake, 1 year later and it looks like he is about to be shipped out. so if you want to bow to someone else's opinion instead of forming your own then go right ahead, but i am more comfortable trusting what i myself see with my own two eyes.

Your point isn't worth arguing when it's based on a pre season friendly, their first game and one of them only joined up with the squad on Thursday. Get a grip!

pre-season friendly or not the flaws in the partnership are clearly visible, more games are not going to give zlatan or rooney an extra yard of pace, the difference when rashford came on was like night and day...

I saw the Schweinsteiger signing as a bit of a punt, a bit of a 'let's see if he's still got some juice left in the tank' kind of thing. Worth the gamble for the relatively small amount we paid for him. As it stands, it didn't work out, largely due to his injury problems, and he'll likely be sent on his way. No big deal. I don't really think the move had much of a bearing on our performance last season.

Exactly, I don't know anyone that actually thought he would be the answer in midfield, it was more a 'worth a try' transfer.

no, most on this forum were very excited about the signing, lets not try and rewrite history and pretend that people were blasé about it...

People were rightly excited about the move, he was a world cup winner and one of the great players of the last decade. Doesn't mean that he was necessarily perceived as the answer to all of our problems.

Believe it or not but my life isn't actually built around this forum so couldn't give a monkeys what was supposedly said. I don't know any United fan personally that thought he was anything more than a give it a try transfer.

Obviously you are the master of all things United though. I look forward to reading your book on the club.

I saw it as similar to the Falcao move. Both had serious injury problems before coming to OT. Always worth taking a punt on that kind of player, because if it does work out you've got yourself a special player. If not, you've blown a few million in wages that is like a drop in the ocean to a club this size.

wether or not he was percieved as the answer to all of our problems most were very excited about the signing and in favour of it, i was one of the few that argued against the signing on the grounds of his injury prone status and declining mobility. i was proved to be correct on schweinsteiger so i don't see why i shouldn't trust my own opinion again when it comes to the rooney-ibrahimovic partnership. if i was to follow Jim De Ville's line of thinking as seen below i would simply accept whatever decisions the management make and never question anything.

Yes, I've never questioned anything. The club, the manager, the players. I just blindly follow whatever the party line is.

Christ, do you really wonder why people don't want to debate your 'points'? Every 'debate' that I've seen you involved with just seems to be an excuse for you to be dismissive, confrontational, and unnecessarily belligerent.

You seem to think that you know better than everyone else, including people who are actually involved with the club. It's incredibly tiresome, but hey, knock yourself out.

I didn't watch the game but I just saw a clip of Rashford winning the pen. Hard to tell via the grainy twitter clip but It looked to me like he's bulked up a bit over the summer?

I have seen some ridiculous rumours in my time, but this is surely right up there!

https://twitter.com/ManUtdStuff/stat...629787648?s=09

What's so ridiculous about it (other than the fact it's taken from a crap rag like the People)? They're two players you'd imagine might be heading out of the club this summer, Moyes is a manager who has had a good relationship with both players, transfer prices are hugely inflated right now. I'd have thought he'd be able to get them for a fair bit less but when you look at Watford receiving a £30m bid for Troy Deeney nothing is particularly shocking.

I can see the logic behind it.

The price looks immense at first, but Januzaj's still a relative nipper and Fellaini would be a terrific signing for them, I think.

If he could get Januzaj playing to his apparent potential, and utilise Fellaini as he did at Everton, then the price wouldn't be that outrageous, in today's market.

I'd wager that a lot of Sunderland's points next season will be won from goals scored through set-pieces, so their interest in Fellaini is understandable.

Januzaj has no future here.

I would be blown away if we got a sizable figure like that for the pair of them considering apart from Ronaldo, we don't really get fair fees for the talent we sell (Nani, RvP etc).

What relevance does how much we sold Nani for have to do with how much Sunderland will pay for Fellaini?

Just that we don't tend to get high prices for the players we sell, but if this story were to transpire into reality then I would love to be proven wrong, as that would cover a decent sized chunk of our outgoings this summer.

Well when you have a bit of a habit to criticise transfers and transfer rumours, and have a general negative outlook on things, then you're always going to be right if a transfer doesn't work out.

You really can't judge the situation on a preseason friendly, and I don't think you can start talking as if you're right about the new, free signing being a flop in a preseason friendly in which he scored, and scoring a nice goal like that. His job is to score goals, so if you're going to judge him on a preseason friendly then he did his job.

Januzaj is a lightweight , skilful player... Mid table is his upper limit... Not worth more than Jordan ibe ... (£13m)

Unless Sunderland offer a decent price for Fellaini I would rather keep him because I still think he has something to contribute.

Trolololol...

I managed to watch a reply of the game today, Rooney still seems very rusty. When he has a bit of time on the ball he is putting in some great passes, but when it's all a bit close he seems to have a missed touch or just not be into it.

Zlatan brings some great power and an air of confidence that I think will give us something we've not had since Ronaldo. Rashford was fantastic when he came on and if he keeps progressing at this rate he'll likely finish the season as our first choice striker.

Still lots of ifs in there... Pogba looks likely now and I hope he could be the turning point for us into a second spell of dominance.

I wonder if this means Fellaini could be leaving?

Has Valencia let the cat out of the bag?

https://twitter.com/ManUtdReport_/st...981245952?s=09

I see that Castles is claiming that Mourinho wants another centre-half.

Names in the frame? Bonucci, Fonte, and....bloody Garay!