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Old 31-07-2016, 15:39
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I see that Castles is claiming that Mourinho wants another centre-half.

Names in the frame? Bonucci, Fonte, and....bloody Garay!
I can't see Juve selling two high profile names to us, and I am fed up with the links to Garay, (we will probably be linked with him and Sneijder long after they have retired!), so that does just leave Fonte, which wouldn't be that bad of an idea, as he is certainly talented enough.
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Old 31-07-2016, 15:41
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I can't see Juve selling two high profile names to us, and I am fed up with the links to Garay, (we will probably be linked with him and Sneijder long after they have retired!), so that does just leave Fonte, which wouldn't be that bad of an idea, as he is certainly talented enough.
Because you cant see something and are fed up with something else doesn't necessarily rule out the rest
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Old 31-07-2016, 16:32
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I can't see Juve selling two high profile names to us, and I am fed up with the links to Garay, (we will probably be linked with him and Sneijder long after they have retired!), so that does just leave Fonte, which wouldn't be that bad of an idea, as he is certainly talented enough.
I can't see them selling two high profile names full stop. I think City have also been linked with Bonucci who I believe is highly rated . Hopefully they get mugged off for Stones instead.
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Old 31-07-2016, 16:34
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The Bonnuci rumours are that we bid 40million and was told to come back with 70 for it to be accepted. Not sure if thats euros or pounds though.
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Old 31-07-2016, 16:41
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Trolololol...

I managed to watch a reply of the game today, Rooney still seems very rusty. When he has a bit of time on the ball he is putting in some great passes, but when it's all a bit close he seems to have a missed touch or just not be into it.

Zlatan brings some great power and an air of confidence that I think will give us something we've not had since Ronaldo. Rashford was fantastic when he came on and if he keeps progressing at this rate he'll likely finish the season as our first choice striker.

Still lots of ifs in there... Pogba looks likely now and I hope he could be the turning point for us into a second spell of dominance.
What an odd reaction to a not unfair view about a Manchester United squad player.
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Old 31-07-2016, 16:50
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Earlier I was having a browse and came across an article about people calling for Jose to be sacked because of the Dortmund game, what a bunch of idiots.
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Old 31-07-2016, 17:06
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Earlier I was having a browse and came across an article about people calling for Jose to be sacked because of the Dortmund game, what a bunch of idiots.
Complete bunch of morons those people, it was a friendly in a foreign country, the result of which was totally irrelevant, it was just a marketing exercise nothing more really.
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Old 31-07-2016, 18:11
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You really can't judge the situation on a preseason friendly, and I don't think you can start talking as if you're right about the new, free signing being a flop in a preseason friendly in which he scored, and scoring a nice goal like that. His job is to score goals, so if you're going to judge him on a preseason friendly then he did his job.
as i have said before zlatan can be a success if he has the right players around him, he needs pacey players around him to run off him so he can focus on holding the ball up and linking play. having zlatan and rooney up front together is not going to get the best out of either player, it has to be one or the other in my opinion not both. if i have to choose between rooney or zlatan to play up front i would choose zlatan, his touch and link up play is far better then rooney and he has a much bigger physical presence. i want to see a zlatan-rashford partnership, i think they could complement each other very well.


Yes, I've never questioned anything. The club, the manager, the players. I just blindly follow whatever the party line is.

Christ, do you really wonder why people don't want to debate your 'points'? Every 'debate' that I've seen you involved with just seems to be an excuse for you to be dismissive, confrontational, and unnecessarily belligerent.

You seem to think that you know better than everyone else, including people who are actually involved with the club. It's incredibly tiresome, but hey, knock yourself out.
i was simply discussing the rooney-zlatan partnership, if anyone made it personal it was percygumtree with these two posts:

You seem like the sort of person that on the birth of your best friends child wades in with "yea, but this is gonna cost you thousands over the next 20 yrs"
You must be an absolute joy at parties...
then you attempted to shut down the debate with your comment about bowing to whatever mourinho decides to do, if we all decided to bow to whatever decisions the management made instead of discussing them there wouldn't be anything to talk about.
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Old 31-07-2016, 18:17
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Wow.....delayed reaction extraordinaire
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Old 31-07-2016, 18:20
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as i have said before zlatan can be a success if he has the right players around him, he needs pacey players around him to run off him so he can focus on holding the ball up and linking play. having zlatan and rooney up front together is not going to get the best out of either player, it has to be one or the other in my opinion not both. if i have to choose between rooney or zlatan to play up front i would choose zlatan, his touch and link up play is far better then rooney and he has a much bigger physical presence. i want to see a zlatan-rashford partnership, i think they could complement each other very well.
Well, yeah, but then that's kinda what you get with a player like Zlatan, and old, experienced strikers in general. He wouldn't work with Rooney, no. I think it's best if you go for one or the other, with Zlatan probably being more prolific right now.

He's an experienced striker, so he won't be the answer to your striking issues, just a good option. He'll be good for a year while Rashford develops, and maybe next year another striker will become available. As you say if you build your team around him you'll get the best out of him, and may well need to do so to get a good return. He's a bit different to when you signed RvP who was able to handle himself. Not that RvP was that old when you signed him anyway.

His name carries weight, too. Teams knowing they'll have to face Zlatan can have a mental effect on them, and the defenders, as well as his physical presence. You can't underestimate the effect that can have on opposition, them knowing they're going to go up against such a renown striker.
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Old 31-07-2016, 19:06
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Well, yeah, but then that's kinda what you get with a player like Zlatan, and old, experienced strikers in general. He wouldn't work with Rooney, no. I think it's best if you go for one or the other, with Zlatan probably being more prolific right now.

He's an experienced striker, so he won't be the answer to your striking issues, just a good option. He'll be good for a year while Rashford develops, and maybe next year another striker will become available. As you say if you build your team around him you'll get the best out of him, and may well need to do so to get a good return. He's a bit different to when you signed RvP who was able to handle himself. Not that RvP was that old when you signed him anyway.

His name carries weight, too. Teams knowing they'll have to face Zlatan can have a mental effect on them, and the defenders, as well as his physical presence. You can't underestimate the effect that can have on opposition, them knowing they're going to go up against such a renown striker.
Sounds like an either or then? Jose is getting good money to make such a decision, I trust him to make the decision for the good of the team whichever that may be.
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Old 31-07-2016, 21:39
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then you attempted to shut down the debate with your comment about bowing to whatever mourinho decides to do, if we all decided to bow to whatever decisions the management made instead of discussing them there wouldn't be anything to talk about.
I didn't attempt to 'shut down' anything. I simply implied that Mourinho might have a better idea of what's likely to work than any of us, seeing as he's done it several times before.

If you are adamant that they won't work together, that's up to you. If it isn't working, I'd expect Mourinho to change it fairly swiftly. Personally, I'd give it a bit longer than 45 minutes in a friendly, before rolling out the 'told-you-so's'.
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Old 31-07-2016, 21:50
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Sounds like an either or then? Jose is getting good money to make such a decision, I trust him to make the decision for the good of the team whichever that may be.
As I have said before, I wholeheartedly agree with Banana's view, if not the way he makes his points. Zlatan and Rooney both starting upfront is a no-no in any game that matters.

Surely simple rotation/like for like substitution is the answer? Especially as Zlatan will need time to get up to speed with the pace of the prem.

BTW If I was to get membership of United this season, how likely is it that I would get tickets? When I was last a member about four seasons ago they were constantly emailing me to tell me league cup and minor prem games were available.

I ask because I wanted to buy some charity shield tickets recently until I saw the basic £25 or so tickets on sale for £130. I could just about have squeezed it, but I haven't used the resale sites before (can't get anything from the UK big boys as Wembley have the tickets on lockdown) and the online reviews were mixed....
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Old 31-07-2016, 22:29
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As I have said before, I wholeheartedly agree with Banana's view, if not the way he makes his points. Zlatan and Rooney both starting upfront is a no-no in any game that matters.

Surely simple rotation/like for like substitution is the answer? Especially as Zlatan will need time to get up to speed with the pace of the prem.

BTW If I was to get membership of United this season, how likely is it that I would get tickets? When I was last a member about four seasons ago they were constantly emailing me to tell me league cup and minor prem games were available.

I ask because I wanted to buy some charity shield tickets recently until I saw the basic £25 or so tickets on sale for £130. I could just about have squeezed it, but I haven't used the resale sites before (can't get anything from the UK big boys as Wembley have the tickets on lockdown) and the online reviews were mixed....
I can't see Zlatan starting every game anyway and if Rooney's form is anything like that of last season he shouldn't be an automatic starter either.

I'm more interested to see which back 4 Jose uses tbh than our forward line.
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Old 31-07-2016, 22:36
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I can't see Zlatan starting every game anyway and if Rooney's form is anything like that of last season he shouldn't be an automatic starter either.

I'm more interested to see which back 4 Jose uses tbh than our forward line.
I'm just glad that we have pretty varied options, in the forward positions.

If everyone was fit, and barring any personnel changes, I'd wager that Valencia, Smalling, Jones and Shaw would be the first-choice back four. I think that a lot will depend on how quickly Bailly develops.
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Old 31-07-2016, 22:44
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I'm just glad that we have pretty varied options, in the forward positions.

If everyone was fit, and barring any personnel changes, I'd wager that Valencia, Smalling, Jones and Shaw would be the first-choice back four. I think that a lot will depend on how quickly Bailly develops.
There still seems to be a lot of rumours about Jose looking for another centre half especially those you suggested we've been linked with in an earlier post.

Maybe he's not that sold on either Smalling or Jones?
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Old 31-07-2016, 23:23
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I didn't attempt to 'shut down' anything. I simply implied that Mourinho might have a better idea of what's likely to work than any of us, seeing as he's done it several times before.
mourinho is surely better informed then any of us regarding most of the united related topics that we discuss in this thread, should we stop discussing those topics just because mourinho is better informed then us? i want to express my own opinion on said topics and hear the opinions of others, mourinho being better informed then us is neither here nor there as he is not involved in the discussion, this is a thread for fans of the club...

If you are adamant that they won't work together, that's up to you. If it isn't working, I'd expect Mourinho to change it fairly swiftly. Personally, I'd give it a bit longer than 45 minutes in a friendly, before rolling out the 'told-you-so's'.

if you want to see them play more together before deciding if they are suited as a partnership thats your prerogative. my opinion on there suitability is based on having seen both rooney and ibrahimovic play extensively last season and knowing what type of player they both are and there strengths/weaknesses. i don't need to see them play together to realise that they are both slow, i already know that...
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Old 31-07-2016, 23:52
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mourinho is surely better informed then any of us regarding most of the united related topics that we discuss in this thread, should we stop discussing those topics just because mourinho is better informed then us? i want to express my own opinion on said topics and hear the opinions of others, mourinho being better informed then us is neither here nor there as he is not involved in the discussion, this is a thread for fans of the club...
Condescending guff. I know what the thread is for, and I haven't suggested that anyone stops discussing anything.

if you want to see them play more together before deciding if they are suited as a partnership thats your prerogative. my opinion on there suitability is based on having seen both rooney and ibrahimovic play extensively last season and knowing what type of player they both are and there strengths/weaknesses. i don't need to see them play together to realise that they are both slow, i already know that...
Has anyone said that either of them are quick?

I've made my position clear. I think that you can get away with it, if there's pace in other forward areas. Will it work in this specific situation? Who knows?

You've made your mind up, I'm happy to wait and see.
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Old 01-08-2016, 09:12
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Hopefully we might get a firm update and a conclusion to the Pogba situation sometime soon, it would be great if it were to be today.
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Old 01-08-2016, 09:21
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Hopefully we might get a firm update and a conclusion to the Pogba situation sometime soon, it would be great if it were to be today.
If you've not seen it, here's what Rooney has to say about it/him:

“He was one of those players who, when you trained against him, somehow he would just hurt you. A knee in your side, bump into you, I don’t think he meant to do it, but it just happened.

“You didn’t even need to get into a tackle. Just go next to him and you’d find an elbow or some other sharp bit. So, if he comes, I’m looking forward to that again! But he had great ability, some of the things he could do, and he’s gone up a level since he left us.

“I hope he is going to want to return to United and prove he’s a top-class player. If he is excited to play for us, we’ll be excited to have him back. I’m sure he’ll feel there is unfinished business, and it would be a very big statement by the club if they can make it happen.”
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Old 01-08-2016, 09:34
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Hopefully we might get a firm update and a conclusion to the Pogba situation sometime soon, it would be great if it were to be today.
lets hope so!!

and how is ur job search coming along batdude? surely you must have heard back from the interview you had by now?
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Old 01-08-2016, 09:36
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The fact that Rooney is being allowed to talk about it suggests it's likely to happen, as was the story that appeared in the press over the weekend about Fergie 'giving his blessing'.
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Old 01-08-2016, 09:48
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If you've not seen it, here's what Rooney has to say about it/him:

“He was one of those players who, when you trained against him, somehow he would just hurt you. A knee in your side, bump into you, I don’t think he meant to do it, but it just happened.

“You didn’t even need to get into a tackle. Just go next to him and you’d find an elbow or some other sharp bit. So, if he comes, I’m looking forward to that again! But he had great ability, some of the things he could do, and he’s gone up a level since he left us.

“I hope he is going to want to return to United and prove he’s a top-class player. If he is excited to play for us, we’ll be excited to have him back. I’m sure he’ll feel there is unfinished business, and it would be a very big statement by the club if they can make it happen.”
lets hope so!!

and how is ur job search coming along batdude? surely you must have heard back from the interview you had by now?
Ahh thanks for that, I had not seen those quotes, if he is speaking as freely about Pogba like that, then that does suggest a certain amount of completion of the deal.

The job search is coming along well, I had a bit of positive feedback, now I have to get a few pieces of information together to complete things.

The fact that Rooney is being allowed to talk about it suggests it's likely to happen, as was the story that appeared in the press over the weekend about Fergie 'giving his blessing'.
Yeah, it is all sounding positive, I don't want to get too over excited, as I thought that things might have been completed last week and they were not, so I am approaching this week with slightly less excitement, and now just waiting for it it to be announced.
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Old 01-08-2016, 09:55
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The job search is coming along well, I had a bit of positive feedback, now I have to get a few pieces of information together to complete things.
that is brilliant news batdude! congrats! nice to see someone who has been long term sick getting a break. what is it you will be doing?
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Old 01-08-2016, 09:58
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This might be random and slightly off topic but I did not realize how much sports agents make until this Pogba saga . His agent stands to make at least 20 million from this deal alone and from what I have read some of the delays over the announcement might be because of him.

Now I see why Jorge Mendes, businessman extraordinaire is worth so much.
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