It's part of business, and we are a business. Companies are purchased every day through LBOs without such the hysteria.

Essentially what the whole kerfuffle boils down to is ignorance as to how the world of business works. It all could have been avoided had we all studied Business Studied at A-level

And how has that affected their running of the club or the clubs success?

Did fergie win with the team he built?

Was he ever denied a player due to funds being withheld? If so, who?

What extra do you think he would achieved by spending many more millions?

He did win with the team he built but the squad did need an overhaul despite what Fergie did with it.

His final team was one of his weaker ones imo.

As for the funds issue, it's something that we will never know.

More money being taken out of the club to pay the debt which could have been spent on better players and keeping ticket prices down.

Exactly.....He did win with the team he built. The squad only needed an overhaul in your eyes, not fergies. It had just walked the league with the lowest average age among the rest of the teams.

You may need to have bought a galactico every year to do your job, fergie didnt so ill ask again....what would be the point in the owners over ruling him and saying he needs to spend more? You would just be complaining that they were interfering then.

As for the funds issue we do know as fergie has already stated that he was never denied any funds or turned down for a player he actually told them he wanted. Its fairly disrespectful of the clubs greatest manager to think he was talking crap

Ticket prices have gone down as shown earlier. Do you really think they would ever charge tuppence to get in?

Again....ill ask, why would the owners force more money to be spent when the manager is building a team he needs to win with? Its counter productive to force him to spend when it interferes with how he feels he needs to build a team to win

And he did win.

In the most successful period in the club's history, there were people complaining that 'net spend' wasn't as high as desired. Just goes to show how utterly ridiculous opposition to the owners has been over the years.

C'mon Fergie hasn't got to where he is by being a pussy cat. It's not being disrespectful just because I don't buy everything he says on occasion.

It seems you are either intentionally not answering the rest of my points or incapable. Not sure what it is to be honest.

Ridiculous isnt it.

Total misunderstanding of how things work and based on nothing mroe than "debt........that must be bad, if we didnt have it i could go into old trafford for nothing"

But you don't know either that Fergie didn't have some financial restrictions when it comes to buying players at certain times just as he may have done before the takeover.

Because Fergie said so isn't evidence of anything .

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Do you reckon we could get him to take Blackett as well...

Ignoring the ticket prices then i see?

ok....so youre entire justification for thinking the owners were no good is that you dont believe the clubs most successful manager when saying he never wanted for anything. You actually believe he should have thrown out his own successful working model that had brought him trophy after trophy just to spend millions in players he didnt need?

OK then..

McNair might turn into a useful player but I've seen literally nothing to suggest that Donald Love would ever make it in the PL.

I could have sworn celtic bought him last year, seems it was just a loan. He only made 3 appearances too. Didnt realise that.

Agree, especially on Love, he was an utter liability when he played for the first team. Not sure about McNair but I certainly don't think he'd make it here.


Yeah, it was just a loan unfortunately. He was absolutely shite for Celtic.

Ok then. Do you think Fergie left a good squad behind for the next manager to work with despite having won the league the previous season?

Which areas of the team needed strengthening?

Why have we struggled so much since he left, maybe it's not just a case of poor management but that the squad wasn't as good as he made it look which for me asks the question was enough invested in the team?

You keep saying that Fergie said he wasn't denied funds . As I have said before, just because he said this doesn't mean that it was the case.

What about the fallout between him and Rooney at the end of his last season?

One of them was bullshitting. I presume we have to take Fergie's version of events to be true then if we are to use the because Fergie said so rule?

Whoa calm.down!!! You're reading that all wrong and you're way over reacting. I meant that it doesn't impact on what we as fans get from the club. We've has brilliant years bar the last 3. The money they take is the same is me worrying about my bosses mortgage. It doesn't affect me so I don't even give it a passing thought.

The comment about the season ticket was that I don't have one and neither do you so it doesn't make any difference to our bank balances even if they double the costs.

You need to stop being so aggressive if people question your opinion on something.

Apart from the fact he left behind a team that had just walked the league with the youngest average aged squad....why on earth do you think it was fergies job to build a team for his successor. He built the team he needed to work and win with. Its the next mans job to build the team he needs.




Becuase none of the other managers have been as successful. Its not fergies job to build their team for them. Why do you think it is?


Have you not been complaining recently that rooney shouldnt be anywhere near the team? Why are you now using any fallout as an excuse to blame fergie. Which by the way has absolutely zero relevance on anything being discussed. What has his relationship with a player got to do with if the owners have backed their managers at all times?

You are tying yourself up in knots because the bottom line is you cant actually justify the opinion that the glazers were poor owners.

I accept its your opinion that they were but it doesnt make it right and also doesnt make it immune from criticism.

You struggled because of the successive managers. Moyes was still able to spend £70m, I think it was, on two players, and he did go after Fabregas who I'm sure wouldn't have been cheap if he could've pulled it off. LvG spent £250m in his short time at the club. Did that money just suddenly become available right after Ferguson retired?

Ferguson left with a title-winning squad. If he was able to win the title with it, without spending, and says he didn't need to spend but could've done, then what is there to disagree with? What more could he have done? CL title, maybe, but he got a league title. If Mourinho was appointed instead of Moyes he'd have spent money, probably a lot of money, since the squad probably did need some improvement and Mourinho isn't as good a man manager as Ferguson, but the fact that Ferguson was meant he didn't need to spend big. Doesn't mean he couldn't. And if Mourinho was appointed instead of Moyes he'd have carried on winning things, with money.

So i'm overreacting and being aggressive because I responded in a reasonable manner to your post?

Maybe you should read your post directed at me first before you start overreacting and pulling me up for mine?

The debt has apparently been such a problem to United that they have just broken the world transfer record without a Sheikh or Far Eastern tycoon in sight.

Hard to understand what some people are expecting if I'm honest.

Rooney shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11 but as I have stated considering we have to treat Fergie's word as gospel was he also telling the truth in this instance?

My point is, neither of us know who was bullshitting in the same way neither of us know if there were financial constraints on players. We are taking someone at their word, it doesn't mean that we accept that without question. We are at liberty to make our own minds up.

That Woodward!! Those Glazers!! How very dare they?

Leaving me with nothing to whinge about!

Conniving bastards, the lot of 'em.