I haven't watched it this morning, but I assume SSN are replaying the incident to death every 10 minutes until he's charged, like they have done in the past?
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Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“I haven't watched it this morning, but I assume SSN are replaying the incident to death every 10 minutes until he's charged, like they have done in the past?”
“I haven't watched it this morning, but I assume SSN are replaying the incident to death every 10 minutes until he's charged, like they have done in the past?”
I have only seen one headline on the hour so far, and it doesn't seem as if they are making that much of a deal about it.
The England squad seems to have taken over the news cycle for the moment.
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“I haven't watched it this morning, but I assume SSN are replaying the incident to death every 10 minutes until he's charged, like they have done in the past?”
“I haven't watched it this morning, but I assume SSN are replaying the incident to death every 10 minutes until he's charged, like they have done in the past?”
He's not that kind of guy probably.
Fellani and Costa are the real villains.
Originally Posted by NorthernNinny:
“He's not that kind of guy probably.
Fellani and Costa are the real villains.”
“He's not that kind of guy probably.
Fellani and Costa are the real villains.”
In fairness, Fellaini and Costa are repeat offenders. I don't recall Aguero having done this before.
Players make a rod for their own backs. For example, can you remember the last time that Ashley Young dived? It must be a couple of years ago now, but that's the first thing that will spring to many people's minds, whenever he's mentioned.
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“In fairness, Fellaini and Costa are repeat offenders. I don't recall Aguero having done this before.
Players make a rod for their own backs. For example, can you remember the last time that Ashley Young dived? It must be a couple of years ago now, but that's the first thing that will spring to many people's minds, whenever he's mentioned.”
“In fairness, Fellaini and Costa are repeat offenders. I don't recall Aguero having done this before.
Players make a rod for their own backs. For example, can you remember the last time that Ashley Young dived? It must be a couple of years ago now, but that's the first thing that will spring to many people's minds, whenever he's mentioned.”
There is that case, but then you have the case where certain players were repeat offenders and nothing was ever said. Two examples being Shearer and Bergkamp, who often used elbows and kicked people, but as they were the blue eyed boys for the press that part of there game was never highlighted, even after both were punished for these type of incidents.
Originally Posted by Tribec:
“There is that case, but then you have the case where certain players were repeat offenders and nothing was ever said. Two examples being Shearer and Bergkamp, who often used elbows and kicked people, but as they were the blue eyed boys for the press that part of there game was never highlighted, even after both were punished for these type of incidents.”
“There is that case, but then you have the case where certain players were repeat offenders and nothing was ever said. Two examples being Shearer and Bergkamp, who often used elbows and kicked people, but as they were the blue eyed boys for the press that part of there game was never highlighted, even after both were punished for these type of incidents.”
I'll be honest, as long as they're punished, I couldn't really give a toss what the media say/print.
What annoys me (and I suspect a lot of people) the most, is when failure to punish blatant cheating has a direct influence on the result, as with Costa recently.
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“I'll be honest, as long as they're punished, I couldn't really give a toss what the media say/print.
What annoys me (and I suspect a lot of people) the most, is when failure to punish blatant cheating has a direct influence on the result, as with Costa recently.”
“I'll be honest, as long as they're punished, I couldn't really give a toss what the media say/print.
What annoys me (and I suspect a lot of people) the most, is when failure to punish blatant cheating has a direct influence on the result, as with Costa recently.”
Of course, but when you get a player like the two mentioned, you know they'll influence the result by fouling someone and because they've no reputation for elbows or anything the ref's just see it as part and parcel of the game. Though they shouldn't, the ref's have to be swayed by what is in the media, and they'll look punish the likes of Costa and Fellaini more than they would the likes of Bergkamp and Shearer (when still playing of course).
Originally Posted by Tribec:
“Of course, but when you get a player like the two mentioned, you know they'll influence the result by fouling someone and because they've no reputation for elbows or anything the ref's just see it as part and parcel of the game. Though they shouldn't, the ref's have to be swayed by what is in the media, and they'll look punish the likes of Costa and Fellaini more than they would the likes of Bergkamp and Shearer (when still playing of course).”
“Of course, but when you get a player like the two mentioned, you know they'll influence the result by fouling someone and because they've no reputation for elbows or anything the ref's just see it as part and parcel of the game. Though they shouldn't, the ref's have to be swayed by what is in the media, and they'll look punish the likes of Costa and Fellaini more than they would the likes of Bergkamp and Shearer (when still playing of course).”
Yes, that's true, but that's why I said 'as long as they're punished'.
If referees are making decisions based upon a player's reputation, then they are failing. My original point was that players such as Fellaini and Costa get bad press because they do it more than the likes of Aguero, so they can't really complain if the media bend to a narrative. Referees should be above that, although I appreciate that they are often not.
Originally Posted by toastie15:
“Will Keane on the verge of signing for Hull undergoing medical now according to SSN”
“Will Keane on the verge of signing for Hull undergoing medical now according to SSN”
I suspect he might be the first of a new batch to Hull in the next year. After all I dont think Sunderland can fit anymore in.
Originally Posted by toastie15:
“Will Keane on the verge of signing for Hull undergoing medical now according to SSN”
“Will Keane on the verge of signing for Hull undergoing medical now according to SSN”
was never gonna make it at united no matter what the "young players deserve a chance\" brigade would have you believe
Originally Posted by percygumtree:
“was never gonna make it at united no matter what the "young players deserve a chance\" brigade would have you believe”
“was never gonna make it at united no matter what the "young players deserve a chance\" brigade would have you believe”
Are we talking about the Will Keane that played in the first team after his comeback from injury or the pre injury Will Keane?? As like with many others had his development stunted by a horror injury. As good as he's been getting back to knocking on the door of the first team, he hasn't been the same player since coming back. Much in the same vein as Ben Thornley.
Originally Posted by Tribec:
“Are we talking about the Will Keane that played in the first team after his comeback from injury or the pre injury Will Keane?? As like with many others had his development stunted by a horror injury. As good as he's been getting back to knocking on the door of the first team, he hasn't been the same player since coming back. Much in the same vein as Ben Thornley.”
“Are we talking about the Will Keane that played in the first team after his comeback from injury or the pre injury Will Keane?? As like with many others had his development stunted by a horror injury. As good as he's been getting back to knocking on the door of the first team, he hasn't been the same player since coming back. Much in the same vein as Ben Thornley.”
Either. He was never going to be good enough. As with the vast majority of the youngsters coming through they are championship level players with the occasional lower level prem league type player, (although there isnt a huge difference between the two), and on the rare occasion someone good enough to actually make it at the club comes through.
Originally Posted by percygumtree:
“Either. He was never going to be good enough. As with the vast majority of the youngsters coming through they are championship level players with the occasional lower level prem league type player, (although there isnt a huge difference between the two), and on the rare occasion someone good enough to actually make it at the club comes through.”
“Either. He was never going to be good enough. As with the vast majority of the youngsters coming through they are championship level players with the occasional lower level prem league type player, (although there isnt a huge difference between the two), and on the rare occasion someone good enough to actually make it at the club comes through.”
Keane was better than Rashford at his age, and near enough everyone were sure he'd make it. The unfortunate thing for Keane, apart from the injury is United's total lack of success in developing strikers, we've developed so few over the years, it's bizarre. I can't really recall the last striker to come through our ranks (note Hughes wasn't a striker, he was a midfielder who got shunted up front due to injuries and first team call ups, and did well.)
Originally Posted by Tribec:
“Keane was better than Rashford at his age, and near enough everyone were sure he'd make it. The unfortunate thing for Keane, apart from the injury is United's total lack of success in developing strikers, we've developed so few over the years, it's bizarre. I can't really recall the last striker to come through our ranks (note Hughes wasn't a striker, he was a midfielder who got shunted up front due to injuries and first team call ups, and did well.)”
“Keane was better than Rashford at his age, and near enough everyone were sure he'd make it. The unfortunate thing for Keane, apart from the injury is United's total lack of success in developing strikers, we've developed so few over the years, it's bizarre. I can't really recall the last striker to come through our ranks (note Hughes wasn't a striker, he was a midfielder who got shunted up front due to injuries and first team call ups, and did well.)”
Who is near enough everyone beyond people at the club making platitudes because calling a player not good enough isnt going to help?
These are the same people that thought fabian brandy, ebanks-blake, wilson, higginbottom, jones, healy and countless others all were apparently going to be good enough.
None were and now or have plied their trade at much lower levels. The real question is why isnt Uniteds youth system bringing players through that can actually make it in the first team and keep the club winning. Not that joe bloggs could have made it but for a variety of reasons didnt.
And better at his age is hugely subjective. Some players look amazing against teams at certain levels but never press on and get better. Personally i thought Micheal Keane had a small chance of staying at the club and having a decent career here but he never imrpoved. Will Keane however quickly got to a certain level and that is it. He wont improve at all. The player he is now is the player he will always be. Ill be surprised if he gets anywhere near a top 6 team and will probably spend the next ten years eeking out a career int he championship. His injury has had no bearing on that.
Originally Posted by percygumtree:
“Who is near enough everyone beyond people at the club making platitudes because calling a player not good enough isnt going to help?
These are the same people that thought fabian brandy, ebanks-blake, wilson, higginbottom, jones, healy and countless others all were apparently going to be good enough.
None were and now or have plied their trade at much lower levels. The real question is why isnt Uniteds youth system bringing players through that can actually make it in the first team and keep the club winning. Not that joe bloggs could have made it but for a variety of reasons didnt.
And better at his age is hugely subjective. Some players look amazing against teams at certain levels but never press on and get better. Personally i thought Micheal Keane had a small chance of staying at the club and having a decent career here but he never imrpoved. Will Keane however quickly got to a certain level and that is it. He wont improve at all. The player he is now is the player he will always be. Ill be surprised if he gets anywhere near a top 6 team and will probably spend the next ten years eeking out a career int he championship. His injury has had no bearing on that.”
“Who is near enough everyone beyond people at the club making platitudes because calling a player not good enough isnt going to help?
These are the same people that thought fabian brandy, ebanks-blake, wilson, higginbottom, jones, healy and countless others all were apparently going to be good enough.
None were and now or have plied their trade at much lower levels. The real question is why isnt Uniteds youth system bringing players through that can actually make it in the first team and keep the club winning. Not that joe bloggs could have made it but for a variety of reasons didnt.
And better at his age is hugely subjective. Some players look amazing against teams at certain levels but never press on and get better. Personally i thought Micheal Keane had a small chance of staying at the club and having a decent career here but he never imrpoved. Will Keane however quickly got to a certain level and that is it. He wont improve at all. The player he is now is the player he will always be. Ill be surprised if he gets anywhere near a top 6 team and will probably spend the next ten years eeking out a career int he championship. His injury has had no bearing on that.”
Brandy played for United?! Man, I always love doing career mode in FIFA as a lower league team and in FIFA 15 I picked Rochdale. Brandy was on the wings and an absolute speed merchant, I kept him in the squad even up to Champions League and Premier League. Never knew he started off at United...what a hero!
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“Brandy played for United?! Man, I always love doing career mode in FIFA as a lower league team and in FIFA 15 I picked Rochdale. Brandy was on the wings and an absolute speed merchant, I kept him in the squad even up to Champions League and Premier League. Never knew he started off at United...what a hero!”
“Brandy played for United?! Man, I always love doing career mode in FIFA as a lower league team and in FIFA 15 I picked Rochdale. Brandy was on the wings and an absolute speed merchant, I kept him in the squad even up to Champions League and Premier League. Never knew he started off at United...what a hero!
”
Ive just looked him up and he is playing in Thailand now. I remember watching him score goals for one of our youth teams in some european tournament. Might have been against AC Milan and at the time people were talking about him as a huge prospect. 27 now and the best he can do is playing in the Thailand league.
Edit: It was against Juventus in the 2007 youth champions league... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Champions_Youth_Cup
Interestingly Dortmunds Aubameyang was top scorer in that tournament. Their two careers couldnt have drifted further apart could they.
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“Yes, that's true, but that's why I said 'as long as they're punished'.
If referees are making decisions based upon a player's reputation, then they are failing. My original point was that players such as Fellaini and Costa get bad press because they do it more than the likes of Aguero, so they can't really complain if the media bend to a narrative. Referees should be above that, although I appreciate that they are often not.”
“Yes, that's true, but that's why I said 'as long as they're punished'.
If referees are making decisions based upon a player's reputation, then they are failing. My original point was that players such as Fellaini and Costa get bad press because they do it more than the likes of Aguero, so they can't really complain if the media bend to a narrative. Referees should be above that, although I appreciate that they are often not.”
I hope that the FA don't base any potential non punishment on a players reputation or not, as that is one of the fears with this Aguero situation, that because this could be a first for him that he just gets away with it, when he fully deserves a three match ban.
A person's name or club should not enter into any decision making, only the offence should be looked at.
Regarding the Aguero incident, check out this video on this twitter page. Pretty much gives the view of the referee and I think you can see why he doesn't give anything, there's definitely a movement of the arm but not the elbow and nothing you won't see every single game for me.
https://twitter.com/thomasdeeacon
I think he'll get banned mind, I always find it interesting how fans see things so differently. You have posters on here who are convinced we'd get an easy ride from Sky regarding the incident whilst pretty much all CIty fans think Sky are doing as much as they can to get him banned. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Lets not get started on BT...
https://twitter.com/thomasdeeacon
I think he'll get banned mind, I always find it interesting how fans see things so differently. You have posters on here who are convinced we'd get an easy ride from Sky regarding the incident whilst pretty much all CIty fans think Sky are doing as much as they can to get him banned. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Lets not get started on BT...
Hopefully you are right, and he does get banned (does anyone know when a decision will be made over this?), as there should be no way he does not, but still I don't have much faith in The FA doing the right and honourable thing.
Originally Posted by Big Poy:
“Regarding the Aguero incident, check out this video on this twitter page. Pretty much gives the view of the referee and I think you can see why he doesn't give anything, there's definitely a movement of the arm but not the elbow and nothing you won't see every single game for me.
https://twitter.com/thomasdeeacon
I think he'll get banned mind, I always find it interesting how fans see things so differently. You have posters on here who are convinced we'd get an easy ride from Sky regarding the incident whilst pretty much all CIty fans think Sky are doing as much as they can to get him banned. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Lets not get started on BT...”
“Regarding the Aguero incident, check out this video on this twitter page. Pretty much gives the view of the referee and I think you can see why he doesn't give anything, there's definitely a movement of the arm but not the elbow and nothing you won't see every single game for me.
https://twitter.com/thomasdeeacon
I think he'll get banned mind, I always find it interesting how fans see things so differently. You have posters on here who are convinced we'd get an easy ride from Sky regarding the incident whilst pretty much all CIty fans think Sky are doing as much as they can to get him banned. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Lets not get started on BT...”
That's the first time I've actually seen the incident, as for various reasons I've not watched MOTD, or seen any other highlights show this weekend. However, that's only as bad as Fellaini's elbow on Huth, so we should be expecting a 2 or 3 game ban, if previous is taken into account.
I think fans of all clubs are paranoid over how the media and the authorities deal with situations at your own club. We can all give examples of where our clubs have been treated differently to others, both by the media and the authorities.
Things haven't really worked out for him since those goals at Villa http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37220914
Originally Posted by toastie15:
“Things haven't really worked out for him since those goals at Villa http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37220914”
“Things haven't really worked out for him since those goals at Villa http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37220914”
Yeah shame really, as those goals brought me so much joy, I wish him well wherever he ends up next.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Hopefully you are right, and he does get banned (does anyone know when a decision will be made over this?), as there should be no way he does not, but still I don't have much faith in The FA doing the right and honourable thing.”
“Hopefully you are right, and he does get banned (does anyone know when a decision will be made over this?), as there should be no way he does not, but still I don't have much faith in The FA doing the right and honourable thing.”
Are you going to be this vociferous in calling for all players who commit this offence to be banned this season?
Or just the ones who happen to be the star striker for your local rivals who you just happen to be playing in a couple of weeks.
No need to reply to this by the way, everyone already knows the answer.
Originally Posted by Hayden:
“Are you going to be this vociferous in calling for all players who commit this offence to be banned this season?
Or just the ones who happen to be the star striker for your local rivals who you just happen to be playing in a couple of weeks.
No need to reply to this by the way, everyone already knows the answer.”
“Are you going to be this vociferous in calling for all players who commit this offence to be banned this season?
Or just the ones who happen to be the star striker for your local rivals who you just happen to be playing in a couple of weeks.
No need to reply to this by the way, everyone already knows the answer.”
If someone throws an elbow at an opponents head, then the identity of the person and club involved is irrelevant, they should all be punished fairly if they commit the same crime.
The same goes if it is one of our players, I just wish to see a bit of consistency that is all.
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