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I was going to comment on United's performance, but I can see that there's no point. A certain poster will just lambast anyone who didn't think that Rooney was utter crap (which he wasn't).
Fernandinho was superb, much better than 'man of the match' De Bruyne. The referee had a shocker, and City's 'keeper looks like a dud. City just deserved the win. As for the game, I even heard the prince of dourness himself, Chris Sutton, say on radio five live that he thought we should have had a pen and Bravo should have been sent off. Mind you a caller was ranting about Rooney making at least three yellow card fouls...? Quote:
We haven't had a midfield of that quality in living memory, before or since.
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#7027 |
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We've just spent a world record fee on a central midfielder. He's clearly 'world class'. We can't have, and shouldn't expect, the best players in the world, in every position.
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#7028 |
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I'm more worried that Banana may actually have a point that Pogba is best deployed in a 4-3-3.
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Errr Giggs, Keane, Ince and Kan-opener was a pretty tasty foursome too.
Kanchelskis was quality, but not a patch on Beckham, in my book. |
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#7029 |
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World Class? Just Expensive.......
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#7030 |
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You're confused about Paul Pogba being called 'world class'? Have you seen nothing of Juventus, over the last few years?
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#7031 |
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I think that's more to do with him being an easy scapegoat, due to his profile.
It seems that a noticeable percentage of the fanbase can't wait to put the boot into Rooney, regardless of what he actually does. We've just spent a world record fee on a central midfielder. He's clearly 'world class'. We can't have, and shouldn't expect, the best players in the world, in every position. Who should replace him? Rooney is hardly ever the worst player in the side, yet he's always the one to be pinpointed. His 'contribution' against Hull won us the game. That was our last game. |
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I would play Mata instead as a no 10.
I'd be more inclined to go with the 4-3-3 argument, if Rooney were to be dropped, but I could see that leaving us too open, against the better sides. |
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#7033 |
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It's a reasonable suggestion, but nothing to worry about. If that's to be the case, Mourinho will figure it out. It's still incredibly early days.
For a start, two of those are the same players! Kanchelskis was quality, but not a patch on Beckham, in my book. Another great midfield was the one that won the CL with Ronnie, Hargreaves, Carrick.... and Scholes ![]() Outside of SAF the highest quality midfield that I've actually seen (Tribec will correct me if I'm wrong) was Robson (at his peak) McGrath, Muhren and Strachan. But real old-timers say that Charlton, Crerand, A.N. other right winger and some guy called Best was pretty tasty too. As for Kanchelskis not being a patch on Becks, I think it's closer than that. Kanchy beats Becks for scoring and speed but Becks beats him (he beats anyone tbh) for accuracy and dead-balling. I'd take Becks, but not by that much. And yes it is early days. Still stings though. |
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As for Kanchelskis not being a patch on Becks, I think it's closer than that. Kanchy beats Becks for scoring and speed but Becks beats him (he beats anyone tbh) for accuracy and dead-balling. I'd take Becks, but not by that much.
I'll never be swayed from my belief that Beckham was hugely underrated, in most aspects of his game. |
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I would play Mata instead as a no 10.
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Fair enough, but I genuinely struggle to see that Mata would offer anything significantly better.
I'd be more inclined to go with the 4-3-3 argument, if Rooney were to be dropped, but I could see that leaving us too open, against the better sides. De Gea Valencia Smalling Bailly Shaw Pogba Miki Schneiderlin/Mata Martial/Depay Zlatan/Rooney/Rashford Lingard/Rashford There you go Jose. You can thank me by winning the prem. |
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#7036 |
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You'd take Kanchelskis over Beckham for scoring? Sorry, I can't buy that. Beckham was a sumptuous finisher. Speed? Obviously Kanchelskis wins that hands down.
I'll never be swayed from my belief that Beckham was hugely underrated, in most aspects of his game. * I say crosser of of the ball, Beck's passed the ball, not a winger type cross, never to the bye line and pull it back sort of thing. Coppell was just outstanding. |
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#7037 |
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You'd take Kanchelskis over Beckham for scoring? Sorry, I can't buy that. Beckham was a sumptuous finisher. Speed? Obviously Kanchelskis wins that hands down.
I'll never be swayed from my belief that Beckham was hugely underrated, in most aspects of his game. Where I think Becks is underrated is his will to win. For all his gifts that's what made him special to me. The way he came back to be one of our treble MVP's after being the scapegoat for England's world cup failure took real guts. You can't train that. Plus Becks was much faster than most people think (he just didn't need to beat his man) but Kanchy was a bullet. |
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#7038 |
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Dont think anyone has said Smalling is the best in the league, well possibly apart from one moron on here whose opinion is as about as knowledgable as mine is on quantum physics, but he is a bloody good defender. You seem to have an irrational hatred of him for some reason. Its the ying to your lingard loving yang.
However, I do like players who have worked hard to deserve the place in the squad, be it our own youth products or players who are not the greatest, but bought to do a job and have worked hard to develop. |
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#7039 |
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Why not combine the two, and you've got Steve Coppell!! till he was attacked by that Hungarian, he was exceptional a better crosser* of the ball than Beckham, a better finisher and quicker, he also helped reshape what a winger/wide midfielder should be. From being an all out attacking player to being a genuine midfielder as such.
* I say crosser of of the ball, Beck's passed the ball, not a winger type cross, never to the bye line and pull it back sort of thing. Coppell was just outstanding. ![]() ![]() ![]() I agree that Coppell was better all-round than Kanchelskis but not Beckham. You have to give ultimate respect to the winger who doesn't even need to beat a man to assist. But if Coppell had the advantage of playing with the quality midfield that the other two had? Oh mama!!!
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#7040 |
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Maybe I should have said scoring rate. I haven't looked at the stats but Kanchy was probably worth about 10 goals a season each season he was with us and probably the same at Everton for the brief time he was there. Becks didn't score at the same rate but he assisted like a demon.
Where I think Becks is underrated is his will to win. For all his gifts that's what made him special to me. The way he came back to be one of our treble MVP's after being the scapegoat for England's world cup failure took real guts. You can't train that. Plus Becks was much faster than most people think (he just didn't need to beat his man) but Kanchy was a bullet. |
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#7041 |
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Why do people think I hate our players?? .
youve done it yourself in this very post with yet more lingard loving. The kid is average at best. Doesnt matter if throughout your time liking the club someone else has been similar, doesnt mean they are good enough. You need to turn your tv over from the 80s channel to be honest. |
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#7042 |
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Because even when every single other person can see they have been good you will always come in with a "he was poor today but <insert average youth player> is fully deserving of a place at the club"
youve done it yourself in this very post with yet more lingard loving. The kid is average at best. Doesnt matter if throughout your time liking the club someone else has been similar, doesnt mean they are good enough. You need to turn your tv over from the 80s channel to be honest. |
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Despite scoring a couple of important goals against Leicester and Crystal Palace I essentially see Lingard as a good squad player . I wonder if Martial will be getting his place back next game?
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#7044 |
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Because even when every single other person can see they have been good you will always come in with a "he was poor today but <insert average youth player> is fully deserving of a place at the club"
youve done it yourself in this very post with yet more lingard loving. The kid is average at best. Doesnt matter if throughout your time liking the club someone else has been similar, doesnt mean they are good enough. You need to turn your tv over from the 80s channel to be honest. I like Lingard, I like his effort and perseverance, and I like the fact that he's having to work hard to maintain his position in the team/squad. There are others in the squad who are more talented, who should be ahead of him, but are not. Why is that? Do they not put the effort in? Do they not help the team out? |
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The 80's channel is good, reminds me of how Old Trafford should be, noisy, intimidating and atmospheric, and not today's library...
I like Lingard, I like his effort and perseverance, and I like the fact that he's having to work hard to maintain his position in the team/squad. There are others in the squad who are more talented, who should be ahead of him, but are not. Why is that? Do they not put the effort in? Do they not help the team out? |
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#7046 |
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Ok just seen the MOTD highlights of the match. You lot sold Zlatan's goal a bit short IMO. It was very well taken- a real poachers finish. Over than that it's difficult to tell much from the clips. Rooney seemed to be putting himself about a bit, Rashford made a clear difference but - and I swear I was listening closely - Pogba's name wasn't mentioned once....
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#7047 |
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Ok just seen the MOTD highlights of the match. You lot sold Zlatan's goal a bit short IMO. It was very well taken- a real poachers finish. Over than that it's difficult to tell much from the clips. Rooney seemed to be putting himself about a bit, Rashford made a clear difference but - and I swear I was listening closely - Pogba's name wasn't mentioned once....
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Ok just seen the MOTD highlights of the match. You lot sold Zlatan's goal a bit short IMO. It was very well taken- a real poachers finish. Over than that it's difficult to tell much from the clips. Rooney seemed to be putting himself about a bit, Rashford made a clear difference but - and I swear I was listening closely - Pogba's name wasn't mentioned once....
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#7049 |
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So the day after the afternoon before, and it still hurts, but in the cold light of day, it is only three points dropped, and we are still in amongst the top teams, so not too much to worry about at this stage.
Hopefully we can get back on track with victory in the Europa League on Thursday, with what I suspect may very well be a somewhat changed team. Perhaps Rashford might get a start in that, as he certainly deserves the opportunity to do just that. |
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That first half was horrible, bringing back memories of the dark days of the Moyes era when teams came to Old Trafford and enjoyed themselves. These derbies go in cycles though, they won a few, we won a few, now it's their turn again. Even in the Fergie era we suffered some bad derby defeats, it's how you bounce back that matters so let's see how the next run of games go. 9 points from the first 4 games is still a good start.
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