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Old 11-09-2016, 09:51
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The fact that we got outclassed for 45 minutes by them was embarrasing to say the least. Serious questions need to be asked as to what happened to Pogba the amount of times he lost the ball was shocking. Others didnt perform to the second half was better but why do we result in playing the long ball. City were miles apart yesterday and that hurts me to say it but i do appreciate good football and Pep looks to have that team playing very well. Yes its early days so improvement will come hopefully and lets hope Rashford starts getting a regular start.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:12
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The fact that we got outclassed for 45 minutes by them was embarrasing to say the least. Serious questions need to be asked as to what happened to Pogba the amount of times he lost the ball was shocking. Others didnt perform to the second half was better but why do we result in playing the long ball. City were miles apart yesterday and that hurts me to say it but i do appreciate good football and Pep looks to have that team playing very well. Yes its early days so improvement will come hopefully and lets hope Rashford starts getting a regular start.
That was obvious yesterday after Bravo's slip, it was something to work on. We've used it a lot more than people think over the years. More so when chasing games in the later parts of matches we've launched the ball to create panic in the opposition box to grab a corner or throw, when we had Beckham and Neville to provide decent delivery of these set pieces.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:58
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That was obvious yesterday after Bravo's slip, it was something to work on. We've used it a lot more than people think over the years. More so when chasing games in the later parts of matches we've launched the ball to create panic in the opposition box to grab a corner or throw, when we had Beckham and Neville to provide decent delivery of these set pieces.
Yeah I don't see it as an issue if it is used to exploit a teams particular weakness,
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Old 11-09-2016, 13:14
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Mourinho made the mistake of playing Lingard and Miki from the start, one has just come back from injury and the other one hasnt started a Premier League game. This was not the time to start them. I could see what he was attempting but City saw right through it and rather than us exploit them they did the exact thing to us.

For whatever people say, Mata is an absolutely class player who was harshly dropped. If you are playing Valencia as the right back then play Mata. The two have a good understanding and allows Valencia to push forward.

Rooney needs a rest, with so much players sitting on the bench who can retain a ball and do a similar job Rooney's performances havent justified his position. I mean it says something when Fellaini keeps being the best midfielder.

Thursday the team is changing, I hope those who will be given the chance take the opportunity and put the others on alert.
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Old 11-09-2016, 16:27
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Does anyone know whatever happened with the Becks Miami team thing? I'm going next year and instead of doing the usual baseball thing I thought I'd try an MLS game. Miami has a team but the Beckham team seems to have fizzled.

The anniversary of 9/11 today still reminds me of my first time to NYC 3 months after. I actually saw a comment that has been retweeted today of someone asking what happened on 9th November. Are people so uneducated that they don't realise that USA use a different month/date system than us??? More to the point why question what is so blatantly obvious and probably the worst day that I can remember seeing unfold.
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Old 11-09-2016, 16:38
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I've seen people do exactly that on twitter, saying things like"I think you mean November 9th?"

People like that are both incredibly insensitive and stupid, as far as I am concerned.
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Old 11-09-2016, 16:47
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I've seen people do exactly that on twitter, saying things like"I think you mean November 9th?"

People like that are both incredibly insensitive and stupid, as far as I am concerned.
I suspect they probably have lived a sheltered life and rarely leave home. I do think it highly insensitive though not to recognise other counties systems and to make such a trivial point about such a horrible event is rather unpleasant. Sorry for gong off topic.
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Old 11-09-2016, 16:59
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For whatever people say, Mata is an absolutely class player who was harshly dropped. If you are playing Valencia as the right back then play Mata. The two have a good understanding and allows Valencia to push forward.
we needed pace on the counter attack against city's high pressing system, we already lacked pace with rooney and zlatan through the middle, mata would of made us even slower. mata also struggles to retain posession when closed down quickly and usually gets dispossessed in those situations, he would of lost the ball more then anyone, how you think he would of solved anything is baffling...
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Old 11-09-2016, 17:12
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we needed pace on the counter attack against city's high pressing system, we already lacked pace with rooney and zlatan through the middle, mata would of made us even slower. mata also struggles to retain posession when closed down quickly and usually gets dispossessed in those situations, he would of lost the ball more then anyone, how you think he would of solved anything is baffling...
But both Miki and Lingard were returning from injury so a fully fit Mata would have been less of a risk fitness wise despite not being the fastest.

Those two inclusions did us in the first half yesterday. Hopefully Martial will be back next game.
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Old 11-09-2016, 17:16
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I wonder what sort of team we could see in our Europa League match?

Presumably a fair few of the players that have not so far featured might get their chance to try and impress José.
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Old 11-09-2016, 17:19
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Does anyone know whatever happened with the Becks Miami team thing? I'm going next year and instead of doing the usual baseball thing I thought I'd try an MLS game. Miami has a team but the Beckham team seems to have fizzled.
The last time I checked on that, he still had a deal to start a team, but it was not coming into force until 2018 at the earliest.
They still have to get a ground sorted (don't know why, New York City didn't have to), and get an actual roster of players sorted out.
So quite a long way to go still.
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Old 11-09-2016, 17:33
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But both Miki and Lingard were returning from injury so a fully fit Mata would have been less of a risk fitness wise despite not being the fastest.

Those two inclusions did us in the first half yesterday. Hopefully Martial will be back next game.
mata would of offered nothing on the counter attack and would of struggled with city's pressing, he wasn't the right player for that particular match...
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Old 11-09-2016, 17:35
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Yesterday was just one of those days where things just didn't go in our favour, these things happen, on another day they could have and should have been down to ten men, with their keeper being sent off, but nevermind, it has happened and we move on.

Let's regroup and focus on winning our next match.
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Old 11-09-2016, 17:55
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The last time I checked on that, he still had a deal to start a team, but it was not coming into force until 2018 at the earliest.
They still have to get a ground sorted (don't know why, New York City didn't have to), and get an actual roster of players sorted out.
So quite a long way to go still.
If I remember rightly, he has already purchased the land in Miami. I believe he's waiting for the equivalent of our planning permission.
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Old 11-09-2016, 18:08
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That was obvious yesterday after Bravo's slip, it was something to work on. We've used it a lot more than people think over the years. More so when chasing games in the later parts of matches we've launched the ball to create panic in the opposition box to grab a corner or throw, when we had Beckham and Neville to provide decent delivery of these set pieces.
The long ball is the right ball if it's a good ball.

Get decent deliveries into a place where a penalty area bully like Ibrahimovic can benefit and United will benefit. It isn't rocket science and it aint always pretty, but better that than losing.

Loved the sight of Alex Ferguson bemoaning only five minutes of stoppage time. In his day the ref would have just said "Play on until United score". I sometimes wonder if anybody is keeping comparison stats on how many goals United score in stoppage time during / post Ferguson. It might make interesting reading.
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Old 11-09-2016, 18:22
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Yesterday was just one of those days where things just didn't go in our favour, these things happen, on another day they could have and should have been down to ten men, with their keeper being sent off, but nevermind, it has happened and we move on.

Let's regroup and focus on winning our next match.
A moot point about City going down to ten players. United could have lost Rooney if the referee had kept to the letter of the instruction to referees to card players who dissent.

I'm wondering if he thinks his position of team Captain gives him the right to dispute refereeing decisions. He did this several times yesterday (and in every game that's been televised this season). If referees followed the letter of the directive, he'd be off in no time at all.

A team Captain has no right whatsoever to question any refereeing decision. He isn't allowed to ask for clarification, or intervene on behalf of an opponent. He isn't allowed to dissent, dispute, question or in any way, shape or form put the referee under any pressure. So... with all that in mind, what could he possibly be saying to the match officials he spends large amounts of time following around the pitch haranguing all through every match, that doesn't amount to dissent in one shape or form...?

Wayne Rooney gets a lot of latitude from referees. He gets away with a lot just because he's Wayne Rooney.

United fans have no cause to complain of being hard done by. United have got away with enough murder / daylight robbery / iffy refereeing calls for more years than I can imagine.

It's true that City got away with a stick-on penalty yesterday when Claudio Bravo brought Rooney down. United should have had one, no question. But sometimes you don't get what you're entitled to and you just have to suck it up. You don't get all your own way all the time. When it happens, just think of all the times poor refereeing has gone in your favour. You've had more than most, methinks.
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Old 11-09-2016, 18:48
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It's true that City got away with a stick-on penalty yesterday when Claudio Bravo brought Rooney down. United should have had one, no question. But sometimes you don't get what you're entitled to and you just have to suck it up. You don't get all your own way all the time. When it happens, just think of all the times poor refereeing has gone in your favour. You've had more than most, methinks.
football fans are going to talk about it when a bad referee decision goes against there team, thats what football fans do. coming into a united thread and telling us to ''suck it up'' is obviously going to provocate a negative reaction, which is probably what you were hoping for, the city thread is that way troll...
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Old 11-09-2016, 18:51
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A moot point about City going down to ten players. United could have lost Rooney if the referee had kept to the letter of the instruction to referees to card players who dissent.

I'm wondering if he thinks his position of team Captain gives him the right to dispute refereeing decisions. He did this several times yesterday (and in every game that's been televised this season). If referees followed the letter of the directive, he'd be off in no time at all.

A team Captain has no right whatsoever to question any refereeing decision. He isn't allowed to ask for clarification, or intervene on behalf of an opponent. He isn't allowed to dissent, dispute, question or in any way, shape or form put the referee under any pressure. So... with all that in mind, what could he possibly be saying to the match officials he spends large amounts of time following around the pitch haranguing all through every match, that doesn't amount to dissent in one shape or form...?

Wayne Rooney gets a lot of latitude from referees. He gets away with a lot just because he's Wayne Rooney.

United fans have no cause to complain of being hard done by. United have got away with enough murder / daylight robbery / iffy refereeing calls for more years than I can imagine.

It's true that City got away with a stick-on penalty yesterday when Claudio Bravo brought Rooney down. United should have had one, no question. But sometimes you don't get what you're entitled to and you just have to suck it up. You don't get all your own way all the time. When it happens, just think of all the times poor refereeing has gone in your favour. You've had more than most, methinks.
I've noticed that he has been in the refs ear a lot this season. I wish he'd cut it out tbh, it won't do him any favours and is more likely to get him in trouble.
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Old 11-09-2016, 21:05
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Evidently Shaw has a hamstring strain and is a doubt for Thursday
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Old 11-09-2016, 21:17
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Evidently Shaw has a hamstring strain and is a doubt for Thursday
So Blind at left back, and Smalling at centre half then for Thursday?
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Old 11-09-2016, 22:05
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The anniversary of 9/11 today still reminds me of my first time to NYC 3 months after. I actually saw a comment that has been retweeted today of someone asking what happened on 9th November. Are people so uneducated that they don't realise that USA use a different month/date system than us??? More to the point why question what is so blatantly obvious and probably the worst day that I can remember seeing unfold.
I'm not on Twitter, but I have seen it mentioned on Facebook. Someone tweets paying tribute to the tragedy and some idiot thinks they're clever by asking what's so special about the 9th of November, or "err, it's 11/9". You know it's called 9/11 because it happened in America where they go by MM/DD/YYYY, so you're just being pedantic in a very distasteful way. But if someone is being like that then they're probably a crappy person who doesn't care who they hurt with their comments, they just want to "correct" people.

It's called 9/11, because it happened on the 11th of September in America. You'd have to be a real idiot to think it should be called, or referred to, as 11/9, or ask about the 9th of November.
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Old 11-09-2016, 22:25
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So Blind at left back, and Smalling at centre half then for Thursday?
Sounds good enought to me!
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Old 11-09-2016, 22:51
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Sounds good enought to me!
Yeah that is the move that I think makes the most sense.

Be interesting to see how well a Smalling and Bailly partnership could be.
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Old 12-09-2016, 13:15
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Our financial figures are out, and they look pretty good :-

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...15-3m-for-2016
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Old 12-09-2016, 13:23
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Yeah that is the move that I think makes the most sense.

Be interesting to see how well a Smalling and Bailly partnership could be.
It makes no sense. Our team looked dead on their feet towards the end of the City match, Bailly especially, no point in playing them in a Europa League match when we have adequate cover who could use the game time. Darmian, Jones, Smalling and Rojo should be the back four, Fosu-Mensah on the bench as cover.
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