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Old 21-09-2016, 21:54
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Well tonight's game reinforces that Rashford should play instead of Rooney and Rojo needs getting rid of
You say that, but the last two games he's started he's hardly pulled up any tree's himself. Apart from the goal on Sunday he was as bad as everyone else. Last Thursday passed him by. I still think we have to ease him in and out of the side.

Herrera sort of improved, nice goal but still short of what we've seen of him before.
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:02
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Bit too early to state that.

We were dire for the majority of the match.
We won the match, and in a straight knock out competition, that is all that really matters.
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:03
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Please not, City, Liverpool or Chelsea away in the next round (I can't be bothered with all the hype of a José back at the Bridge the latter would bring).
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:06
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City at home in the next round it is then.
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:07
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We won the match, and in a straight knock out competition, that is all that really matters.
Against Northampton and we were dire.

That matters.

We are not back to our winning ways. Lots of work still to be done.
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:13
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Against Northampton and we were dire.

That matters.

We are not back to our winning ways. Lots of work still to be done.
How does winning a match, not mean we are back to wining ways?
Surely a win means that we are, the performance is a different talking point.
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:17
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How does winning a match, not mean we are back to wining ways?
Surely a win means that we are, the performance is a different talking point.
Did you watch it?
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:19
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You say that, but the last two games he's started he's hardly pulled up any tree's himself. Apart from the goal on Sunday he was as bad as everyone else. Last Thursday passed him by. I still think we have to ease him in and out of the side.

Herrera sort of improved, nice goal but still short of what we've seen of him before.
At least he scored. What did Rooney do? Defend him all you want Tribec, Rooney is not worthy of starting games ATM. That may change but we do need to see how the team can cope without him rather than persevere with him struggling for form. Do you seriously think Rooney still has the legs to have chased down that 70-30 ball the way Rashford did?

City at home in the next round it is then.
At least we're at home.
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:21
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Against Northampton and we were dire.

That matters.

We are not back to our winning ways. Lots of work still to be done.
We've got a month to sort out our shit against the Bertie's.
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:22
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Good win, in spite of Rooney stinking out the place.

That "touch" at the end that smashed it over the byline sums up where he is right now.

He's due his Gary Neville moment - and not a moment too soon.
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:25
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We've got a month to sort out our shit against the Bertie's.

And 3 days until Leicester.

The Manager needs to be ruthless now. Half of tonights team under performed.
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:26
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Good win, in spite of Rooney stinking out the place.

That "touch" at the end that smashed it over the byline sums up where he is right now.

He's due his Gary Neville moment - and not a moment too soon.
Unfortunately Neville was well into his thirties when he retired, Rooney's only thirty.
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:38
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At least he scored. What did Rooney do? Defend him all you want Tribec, Rooney is not worthy of starting games ATM. That may change but we do need to see how the team can cope without him rather than persevere with him struggling for form. Do you seriously think Rooney still has the legs to have chased down that 70-30 ball the way Rashford did?
All I'm saying is that Rooney is far from the only one who's playing badly. Apart from De Gea, and the commentators were after him as well on Sunday, who it can't be said has played badly recently. I get the feeling that Rooney could score 5 goals on Saturday and set up another 4, and people will still be calling him out.

You know my opinions on Carrick, but tonight he gets away with it due to not playing much of late, but his touch, his passing let him down tonight, Herrera's passing and positional play was poor, even taking into account that he's "confused" by the role he's being asked to play, however we focus on one player in here and else where who isn't playing well. That frustrates me more than watching this team play, not one player, has played to the highest standards we know they can do, even De Gea, yet apart from the faithful scapegoats everyone gets a free pass, let's call them all out, lets accept how poor they've been and yes I mean everyone.

We the fans have helped hound many a player out of Old Trafford, and that I don't like, we have near enough destroyed players careers, and it drives me crackers that it still takes place.
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:52
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All I'm saying is that Rooney is far from the only one who's playing badly. Apart from De Gea, and the commentators were after him as well on Sunday, who it can't be said has played badly recently. I get the feeling that Rooney could score 5 goals on Saturday and set up another 4, and people will still be calling him out.

You know my opinions on Carrick, but tonight he gets away with it due to not playing much of late, but his touch, his passing let him down tonight, Herrera's passing and positional play was poor, even taking into account that he's "confused" by the role he's being asked to play, however we focus on one player in here and else where who isn't playing well. That frustrates me more than watching this team play, not one player, has played to the highest standards we know they can do, even De Gea, yet apart from the faithful scapegoats everyone gets a free pass, let's call them all out, lets accept how poor they've been and yes I mean everyone.

We the fans have helped hound many a player out of Old Trafford, and that I don't like, we have near enough destroyed players careers, and it drives me crackers that it still takes place.
You know my opinions on Carrick too but I'm not so blinded by the esteem I hold him in to think he should start the next game just because the commentators talked him up. He was okay tonight against a very average team. Meanwhile Rooney was less than okay, yet again. I have said time and again over the last two and a bit seasons that Rooney isn't our only problem but I do feel that shoe-horning him into the team despite his form is doing us no favours at all. He doesn't even get subbed for God's sake. That can't be right.

Dropping Rooney won't solve the problems in defence but it might help the drag and clutter we get into past the halfway line.

As for hounding players out of OT, exactly who of the players that ever meant anything to United has that happened to? Rooney has got more loyalty from fans than any other consistently under-performing main player I can think of.
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Old 21-09-2016, 22:56
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All I'm saying is that Rooney is far from the only one who's playing badly. Apart from De Gea, and the commentators were after him as well on Sunday, who it can't be said has played badly recently. I get the feeling that Rooney could score 5 goals on Saturday and set up another 4, and people will still be calling him out.

You know my opinions on Carrick, but tonight he gets away with it due to not playing much of late, but his touch, his passing let him down tonight, Herrera's passing and positional play was poor, even taking into account that he's "confused" by the role he's being asked to play, however we focus on one player in here and else where who isn't playing well. That frustrates me more than watching this team play, not one player, has played to the highest standards we know they can do, even De Gea, yet apart from the faithful scapegoats everyone gets a free pass, let's call them all out, lets accept how poor they've been and yes I mean everyone.

We the fans have helped hound many a player out of Old Trafford, and that I don't like, we have near enough destroyed players careers, and it drives me crackers that it still takes place.
So if others play badly this gives Rooney a bye? C'mon I expect his mates to cover his arse but what do you get for defending him? It's straw clutching using the failings of others to detract from his poor form. He gets continously picked regardless of his performances.No other player seems to have this priviledge.


He's not a scapegoat, like Johnny Evans wasn't either. Neither are good enough for United now.
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Old 22-09-2016, 04:35
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Too much negativity in here. If we get beat by Leicester on Saturday, fine. But whoever we play, not based on a freeking League Cup game with 9 changes FFS!
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Old 22-09-2016, 07:02
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City at home in the next round it is then.
Just look at it as an earlier than expected opportunity to get some payback.
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Old 22-09-2016, 07:26
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So if others play badly this gives Rooney a bye? C'mon I expect his mates to cover his arse but what do you get for defending him? It's straw clutching using the failings of others to detract from his poor form. He gets continously picked regardless of his performances.No other player seems to have this priviledge.


He's not a scapegoat, like Johnny Evans wasn't either. Neither are good enough for United now.
Exactly this. I really question what he brings to the side now. His legs have gone, his touch has deserted him, his confidence is shot, his positioning is poor and he is of no help defensively. There is not another player in the side who has been CONSISTENTLY poor on that level yet maintaining a place.
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Old 22-09-2016, 10:32
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Just look at it as an earlier than expected opportunity to get some payback.
It will be interesting to see what sort of sides us and them play in that match, I wonder how strong each of us will go with.
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Old 22-09-2016, 15:13
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So if others play badly this gives Rooney a bye? C'mon I expect his mates to cover his arse but what do you get for defending him? It's straw clutching using the failings of others to detract from his poor form. He gets continously picked regardless of his performances.No other player seems to have this priviledge.


He's not a scapegoat, like Johnny Evans wasn't either. Neither are good enough for United now.
Yes he's the scapegoat, he's the popular target figure. Last night wasn't as bad as Sunday, he is doing the right things on the pitch, that they are not coming off for him is unfortunate. However, people are ignoring the fact that other players are performing equally as badly and poorly by there own standards and yet the focus is solely on Rooney. Yes call him out, but call Mata, Zlatan, Martial etc out when they have been playing badly, but no we are getting calls for Zlatan for captain. He's not done enough to warrant that at United, and the way he's playing he never will, if Rooney has been playing on his reputation for a while then, since the start of the season so has Zlatan. He's hardly taken any games by the scruff of the neck has he, his touch hasn't been great.

Has Rooney been our worse player out of the 18 that have played league games this season? No, certainly not, has he been our best player? Not at all. However from the way people are suggesting in here, he isn't worthy of starting for his local pub side. Were there others in the squad who when given the chance performed better then I'd suggest they start ahead of him, but lets be fair Mata plays 3 or 4 decent games in a row and then does nothing for 10 - 15 games and hasn't peformed this season yet, Miki did well against Hull, got injured and was Ralph Milne like against City, who else? Lingard perhaps? Well he came back from injury and was as good as Miki against City.
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Old 22-09-2016, 15:53
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Too much negativity in here. If we get beat by Leicester on Saturday, fine. But whoever we play, not based on a freeking League Cup game with 9 changes FFS!
I'll be in church when the game kicks off on Saturday. Don't worry I'll be saying a few hail Mary's to myself just in case!
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Old 22-09-2016, 16:06
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Yes he's the scapegoat, he's the popular target figure. Last night wasn't as bad as Sunday, he is doing the right things on the pitch, that they are not coming off for him is unfortunate. However, people are ignoring the fact that other players are performing equally as badly and poorly by there own standards and yet the focus is solely on Rooney. Yes call him out, but call Mata, Zlatan, Martial etc out when they have been playing badly, but no we are getting calls for Zlatan for captain. He's not done enough to warrant that at United, and the way he's playing he never will, if Rooney has been playing on his reputation for a while then, since the start of the season so has Zlatan. He's hardly taken any games by the scruff of the neck has he, his touch hasn't been great.

Has Rooney been our worse player out of the 18 that have played league games this season? No, certainly not, has he been our best player? Not at all. However from the way people are suggesting in here, he isn't worthy of starting for his local pub side. Were there others in the squad who when given the chance performed better then I'd suggest they start ahead of him, but lets be fair Mata plays 3 or 4 decent games in a row and then does nothing for 10 - 15 games and hasn't peformed this season yet, Miki did well against Hull, got injured and was Ralph Milne like against City, who else? Lingard perhaps? Well he came back from injury and was as good as Miki against City.
You're using other players performances to justify Rooney's shortcomings(and that's as polite as I can put it).

He's not a scapegoat. As for using Miki or Lingard as a comparison. Playing against City after returning from injuries with one obviously not fit to start gives them a bit of a bye tbh. Mata or Rooney is a no brainer imo.

How many goals has Zlatan scored despite being unable to take the game by the scruff of the neck? More than Rooney despite being new to the premier league.

You cannot make excuses for his performances anymore. He is done and trying to accommodate him is holding us back. Of course dropping him won't provide us with an immediate turnaround but we're going around in circles persisting with him in the hope that he comes into form. He's struggling with the basics.
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Old 22-09-2016, 18:17
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Comparing Zlatan's contribution so far this season with Rooney's
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Old 22-09-2016, 18:27
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There has to be a way to get Ibra and Rashford playing together in the same team from the start, as they could work well together I believe.
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Old 22-09-2016, 19:58
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Yes he's the scapegoat, he's the popular target figure. Last night wasn't as bad as Sunday, he is doing the right things on the pitch, that they are not coming off for him is unfortunate. However, people are ignoring the fact that other players are performing equally as badly and poorly by there own standards and yet the focus is solely on Rooney. Yes call him out, but call Mata, Zlatan, Martial etc out when they have been playing badly, but no we are getting calls for Zlatan for captain. He's not done enough to warrant that at United, and the way he's playing he never will, if Rooney has been playing on his reputation for a while then, since the start of the season so has Zlatan. He's hardly taken any games by the scruff of the neck has he, his touch hasn't been great.

Has Rooney been our worse player out of the 18 that have played league games this season? No, certainly not, has he been our best player? Not at all. However from the way people are suggesting in here, he isn't worthy of starting for his local pub side. Were there others in the squad who when given the chance performed better then I'd suggest they start ahead of him, but lets be fair Mata plays 3 or 4 decent games in a row and then does nothing for 10 - 15 games and hasn't peformed this season yet, Miki did well against Hull, got injured and was Ralph Milne like against City, who else? Lingard perhaps? Well he came back from injury and was as good as Miki against City.
I agree that dropping Rooney would not be a panacea for our many problems, but disagree that he hasn't been our worst player. When you consider he is captain, the position he plays, the wage he commands, a guaranteed starting position in big games, how can you NOT call him our worst player?
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