The teeth grinding and tears because we didn't almost feels like 3 points.

Agree with Jim De Ville in this case. For this game and in these circumstances, man united did what many other clubs would have done... It's not this sort of game where those looking to take a shot at mourinho (including me) can find their ammunition

All of this praise for the performance is good and all, but we do need to start moving up the table from sixth or seventh, where we have been for a few weeks now, and into the top four, if we do want to have any hope of achieving any sort of success in the league this season. Seeing City, Spurs, and Everton not win, and then for us to follow suit is particularly annoying.

When those teams drop points, we need to take advantage of that, and win our match, sadly that was not the case.

Yes it was a very tough match on paper away at Liverpool, and yes we did very well to snuff them out, but realistically, we need to get on a winning run, if we are to climb the league table, rather than be round about where we currently are.

Chelsea away is where this run needs to start, as we have gone two games now without a win, going three, especially if others win, would be giving them a clear advantage over us.

We need our forwards to stop missing chances, and to start taking ones that come their way, then we will hopefully see change, as I am very confident in our defence to handle most of what opposition teams have in their attack.

Well I got the minimum right but not sure we can make more than another one in the next game.

Last nights score was rally Liverpool 0 DDG 0. I just don't understand our lack of ability to kick the ball actually at the goal even on the off chance it might go in.

Pogba should spend his training time in a dark room watching videos of Robson, Keane, and Cantona to see how it should be done properly. I wonder how much those three would have been worth in their prime at today's prices?

Yet time and time again right across the game, from fans, tv pundits and the general media the one top manager in world football who gets this stick is José
Do you seriously think they all just picked on him out of the blue or is there actually a lot of truth about how boring and predictable his tactics are in the big games that he has so often destroyed.
The EPL would not be the biggest league in the world if it was filled with managers like Jose!

We get it. You don't like Mourinho.

Some good news for you: He's not the Chelsea manager anymore. So, thanks for the concern and everything, but we'll make our own minds up, if it's all the same.

I'm 99% sure that Mourinho's job description doesn't contain a requirement to entertain fans of other clubs. It does contain a requirement to get results. A point at Anfield right now is not too bad. Certainly better than losing to the same opponents. At home.

You get criticed for either being too successful or for being rubbish. Fortunately JM is in the former category. The one thing I will say about him is that he likes losing even less than SAF did!

I think some people would do well to remember the away game at Kevin Keegan's Newcastle in 1996. At this stage in their development under Klopp, Liverpool remind me of that Newcastle team. United were 12 points behind them at one stage. Fergie went up there and defended. And defended. And defended some more. Schmeichel made save after save. Then Cantona found some space in the box and won the game.

It wouldn't surprise me to discover Fergie had steered Mourinho to look at that game.

Now, where can United find another Eric Cantona?

Hopefully at Stamford Bridge we will come away with all three pointsas that is what we need to get our season going again, and not thinking about how good another point is, whilst the gap increases above us.

So while it is nice that people think a point away at Liverpool is fine and dandy, it doesn't exactly close the gap to the leaders, or teams in the top four all that much does it?

We are seventh in the league, not really where we want to be, with a bit of a gap forming to City, and the rest of the teams up there in the top four places.

Yes, you've made this point a few times.

We're 8 games in. I'm not overly concerned by the league table, at this stage. We're not exactly cut adrift.

Yes, I am sure genuine football fans wanted to waste two hours of their life watching tedious rubbish, rather than a great game, just so they could have a moan about Jose to complete strangers on a net forum.

Genuine football fans wouldn't think in terms of 'wasting two hours of their life' when it comes to watching a game I would have thought

We are not cut adrift yet, with yet being the operative or key word.
If we don't start winning games, then we soon could be, so drawing games, rather than winning them, will soon lead to us falling even further behind the top teams.

So it is important that we get back on track against Chelsea, rather than thinking, oh a point there is good, and then seeing the game after that, at home to Burnley, as the game where we will pick up three points.

We should be targeting both games to pick up three points in, not four, or possibly less than that.

So why aren't you whining about Liverpool doing nothing for 60 minutes?

How many matches are ever 'great games'? A small percentage, I'd wager.

In summary, we need to win games if we want to move up the table, and 6 points is better than 4, or even less.

Right. Glad that we've got that sorted.

What are "genuine" football fans? Do people "pretend" to be football fans?

Do I think some people watched the game so they could moan about Jose? That would not surprise me due to their obsession with him.

If you are watching your team play then no matter what the result or performance its never a waste well if you are a "genuine" fans of course

Because as a manager Klopp puts entertaining the fans very high up in his priorities.
Obviously, there will be games where his teams don't perform well and struggle to create chances and score goals.
Try and make all the excuses you want to. You now have a manager who does not give a toss about anything except grinding out results whichever way possible. Fine, if that's all you're bothered about as well?

Not being a fan of either teams, last night was two hours that I saw as a complete waste of my time.
I'd have been more entertained watching a shopping channel.

So you agree that a point last night was not what we really needed?
It was not a "decent" or "good" point, not when put into a wider perspective of where we currently are in the league table.

Would you think a point in our next league match will be acceptable, or should we be actually wanting to win that match, and seeing anything else as a disappointment?

How big a gap to the sides at the top of the table is acceptable to you at this stage?

I'm not making any 'excuses', because none need to be made.

You have an agenda, that's been evident for a while. That's why Mourinho is solely responsible for the lack of goal-mouth action last night, in your eyes.

Not the players, not Liverpool (the home team, don't forget), and certainly not Klopp.

United have played some excellent stuff at times, under Mourinho. So did Chelsea. You'll never see that, of course, because you don't want to.

I suggest that you avoid watching United from now on. I don't generally watch other teams that I think will bore me senseless.

I don't have such a basic view of things, so won't be continuing with this 'discussion'.

What exactly is "basic", about asking you your opinion on such matters as I have asked you?

The answers should be bloody obvious.

Do I want us to win the next game? Yes.

Would a point be 'acceptable'? It depends how the game pans out, but probably yes.

How big a gap to the top is 'acceptable'? As small as possible, but at this stage, it doesn't really matter, within reason. It's October. There are 30 games to go. 6 points isn't insurmountable, in theory.

I don't expect us to win the league, this season. I don't think that Mourinho does, either. Would I like us to? Yes, of course. Would he? Yes, of course.

He's new to the club, and the players. It's going to take some time. Whether the gap to the top is 3, 6 or 9 points at the moment is unlikely to be the most pressing issue.

You don't expect us to win the league, fine. I can understand that, do you expect us to finish in the top four places at least?

I agree with your analysis about having as small a gap as possible to the teams at the top of the league, but the longer we leave it, and the bigger the gap gets, does that not begin to worry you, even at this easy stage, or are you confident that we can close the gap in the time remaining?

With the teams around the top four places, all seemingly having games that they most likely will won, don't you think a point at Stamford Bridge would be a poor return, as surely it wouldn't be a good idea to give them too much of a head start on us?

Perhaps it is just me, but I don't like to see gaps forming, especially ones that look like they could increase further, rather than decrease.

I do wish to thank you for replying and answering my questions though.

Not a narrow defeat to just brush under the carpet either.