So essentially you see every single game United play as one they are favourites in and should win? Every point, no matter who its against, is a point dropped not won?

Traditionally that's how man united fans look at games, realistically they are at their level which is a 5th to 7th place finish again

Oh dear God.

I am if course not an Arsenal fan, and would not presume to speak on behalf of them, but I do think that they along with Liverpool will view today as a huge missed opportunity, (as well as Spurs, if we are talking about things at the moment) to gain a stride or two over their rivals for a top four place.

No, I don't think we are favourites for every match that we play, especially not the tougher away matches (Arsenal, City, Spurs etc).

I am speaking purely from a mathematical standpoint, not on the manner of each individual match, if we don't win a match, then it is obviously going to be points dropped.
It is only looking at things via that viewpoint that I am talking about, taking the emotion, and sort of match away from the debate.

Once we add in those factors, then things may change somewhat, but that then depends on how a person views a match themselves, two people could watch the very same match, and come away with two different viewpoints, over if a team deserved to win a match or not.
So sometimes, it is better to try and stick with pure maths.

So you do think that every single game United play, no matter who its against, you should be winning. Thats the only definition of points being dropped. A simple yes would have sufficed.

Jeez, you are so transparent. Like the whole Grant Holt thing, it's just a puerile stance to have a dig - but you end up just embarrassing yourself. Again.

No but on reflection in relation to today's game Bats can feel entitled to feel such sentiments on the balance of play. Same as Stoke and Burnley at home. Liverpool away though I feel was a point gained

KInda the point being made really.

One point is less than three, so is therefore bad. Apparently context doesn't matter. Just a black-and-white view of one being less than three.

But I think that means Stoke fans can also talk about dropping two points against Man United, and Swansea dropped three.

I feel so sorry for Malaga fans tonight, Dropped 2 points away to Barcelona

I have not had a dig at anyone, other than my own team, for being not good enough to get the three points on too many occasions so far this season.

Quite what something that I said in error, a good few years ago, has to do with our results this season, I have no idea.

I have already answered this, no is the answer, I don't feel we are favourites for every match play, certainly not the tougher away games, however do I think we need to be winning the up coming games, then yes I do think we need to be doing that, and not doing so, is not only frustrating, and very, very annoying, but it also means that we don't really move on up the league table, which surely we all want to see us doing.

If you don't win you don't move up the league table?

That's new.

Ain't that the truth.

To state Grant Holt is better than Luis Suarez was not simply "an error", it was a churlish attempt to put down a rival player. Likewise, explicitly omitting Liverpool as a tough away game whilst listing Arsenal, City and Spurs is an equally petty dig masquerading as a "viewpoint".

As hardly any other rational person agrees with you on these points, you cannot be surprised people are suspicious of your motives?

You continually infest these threads with your "viewpoint", aggravating many to the point of bans or abandoning the forums altogether.

I'll leave it there to avoid yet another pointless protest against your posts clogging up the United thread as nothing ever gets done anyway.

Sorry for not including Liverpool on the tough away trips, they were one if the teams that I was talking about, if you want the full list, then it would have included Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, City, Everton, (West Ham at their previous ground was one that I particularly didn't look forward to, let's see how the new ground fares) and for some reason I never look forward to going to Middlesbrough.
So it wasn't a case of having a dig at you, or your club, I thought that the "etc" was a bit self explanatory, my error there for thinking that it was, next time, I will expand on any lists that I intend on writing/posting.

If we must go back over really old ground in the Holt v Suarez thing, I got it wrong then, and I admit it now, it was never a dig, it was a pure miscalculation on my part over who at the time was the better of the two.
Yes, I got it majorly wrong, I fully hold my hands up over that one.
Why does it need to always be brought up, can we not finally put it rest once and for all, and move forward??
Just once more, I will say that I got it majorly, and hugely wrong, and that there was no dig meant or intended at the time, it was a pure miscalculation.

Onto the banning point, I don't want people to get bans, why would you think that I would? That makes no sense whatsoever, I want this place to thrive, and if people have a different viewpoint to myself, then good, I would hate it if everyone had the same opinions.

From my point of view it was definitely one point gained today as we were totally garbage and deserved **** all.

And one point is definitely better than 0 points I would say!

If youre not favourites to win a match then you cant say you have dropped points from it. Thats fairly obvious really. If you arent favourites then a point away to Liverpool was a point gained, not 2 points lost.

United should have beaten Arsenal today and that can legitimately be described as 2 points dropped after the fact. These arent really hard concepts to grasp to be honest.

But you didn't get all 3 points, so you dropped 2 points.

Finlly back rom Old Trafford, so so frustrating! We should have won, but we never looked like scoring a second. Rashford was so isolated at times he was chasing shadows. Mata and Herara put in a real shift today, no idea where Pogba was told to play, he was all over the place??

Why?

http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/jr...c7dfj.jpg.html

That's the full list, is it? Forgetting that team that drubbed you 4-0 recently?

Sorry, yes add you guys to the list as well, I really should just have put visiting the capital, to cover a fairly broad range of clubs.

Every single one of our players are average or has beens until proven otherwise. No stars in the team, zero character, tripe football ever since Ferguson left. A lot of players been here for a while now and developed little to no understanding with each other.

Needs to be a massive clear out for next season for the situation to improve and if this garbage continues next season then it's time for Mourinho (who is past it imo) to go.

To be replaced by who?