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To be replaced by who?
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It all depends on ones on viewpoint on things, and my own personal viewpoint, is that against Liverpool, we did drop points, and it was two points dropped, rather than a point gained, much like today.
If you, or others feel differently, then fair enough, but that is how I honestly view the points that we have dropped so far, and is a major reason as to why we find ourselves so far off of the pace, that the teams in the top four are currently showing. |
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Wenger's substitutions worked and got him a point.
Mourinho's substitutions? Not so much. |
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Not for me. The point at Anfield was a good one considering the form of both teams this season, yesterday was two points dropped though.
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Every single one of our players are average or has beens until proven otherwise. No stars in the team, zero character, tripe football ever since Ferguson left. A lot of players been here for a while now and developed little to no understanding with each other.
Needs to be a massive clear out for next season for the situation to improve and if this garbage continues next season then it's time for Mourinho (who is past it imo) to go. |
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Makes me chuckle sometimes in here. Last season at this stage when we were picking up points nicely in the top 4, we were getting hammered for playing dour unimaginative football and almost inevitably we eventually dropped away. This season when we are playing what people were asking for - more imaginative stuff and IMO better than last season - we are getting hammered for not picking up enough points.
Well I know what I'd rather have of the two - this season - because we are mostly playing well, though annoyingly, have dropped points in three successive home games. But given that it's a new style of play, new manager and still first third of the season, I think the results will come and when they do it will be more enjoyable to watch than last season. Luck in football evens out, so too do things like drawn games and most of the other top teams will at some point have spells like this. I see no reason to change my early season thoughts of a top 4 finish. But the title challenge will have to wait a year. |
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Makes me chuckle sometimes in here. Last season at this stage when we were picking up points nicely in the top 4, we were getting hammered for playing dour unimaginative football and almost inevitably we eventually dropped away. This season when we are playing what people were asking for - more imaginative stuff and IMO better than last season - we are getting hammered for not picking up enough points.
Well I know what I'd rather have of the two - this season - because we are mostly playing well, though annoyingly, have dropped points in three successive home games. But given that it's a new style of play, new manager and still first third of the season, I think the results will come and when they do it will be more enjoyable to watch than last season. Luck in football evens out, so too do things like drawn games and most of the other top teams will at some point have spells like this. I see no reason to change my early season thoughts of a top 4 finish. But the title challenge will have to wait a year. |
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Who do you see us overtaking in the top 4? I think its still early and mathematically possible but I'd be suprised if Chelsea, Liverpool and City didn't occupy 3 of the 4 spots on offer then you have Arsenal, although they were poor yesterday would you fancy us finishing ahead of them when there notorious for clawing out top four finishes. Nevermind Tottenham too, unless we become more consistent regardless of our potential we won't get top 4.
Who will we overtake? I've no idea, just as none of us knows who will win the league - though it won't be us. But with (I think) improving consistency from us and 5 teams above us to potentially have poor spells, it's not unreasonable to think 2 or 3 of them can be overtaken. But of course, they won't all have poor spells, so the title challenge is out and I readily concede that. |
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Maybe the suits will look beyond the results and compare our overall performances with last year?
Arsenal didn't win a trophy for ten years but won CL qualification instead. Look at the bigger picture. Liverpool got 8th last season but they showed signs of progress with some good football chucked in. Maybe the answer is to give the manager more time to get it right? |
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Maybe the suits will look beyond the results and compare our overall performances with last year?
Arsenal didn't win a trophy for ten years but won CL qualification instead. Look at the bigger picture. Liverpool got 8th last season but they showed signs of progress with some good football chucked in. Maybe the answer is to give the manager more time to get it right? |
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The summer will once again be a big one, as if we miss out on a top four spot, then our income will go down hugely, as the bug money deal with our kit supplier goes down by about thirty percent I think.
We will need to add a goalscorer, as I think perhaps both Wayne and Ibra will be off, so that would leave Rashford as our only senior striker (if we are not classing Martial as a striker these days). So we will need to spend big again, even with perhaps a depleted income. Which is why this season it is vital that somehow we get Champions League football back at the club for next season, however despite our progressive football this season, very frustratingly, the results have not matched that part, and so that might well end up costing us, both on and off the pitch. |
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RVP is back to doing what he does best, scoring goals
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RVP is back to doing what he does best, scoring goals
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Pleased for him especially considering his eye problem from a few weeks ago, could of been a lot worse for him than it has turned out to be. I wish we still had RVP to be honest, yes he was injury prone and not the player he once was but the one thing he guarantees you is goals and that is something we have been in short supply of at Old Trafford in recent times.
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Selling off so many strikers without adequate replacements hasn't done us any favours whatsoever.
Rooney doesn't play as a striker anymore, Martial is not viewed it seems as a striker, and Ibra at best is a short term fix, so we really only have Rashford to build around. More options would be nice to have in the future. |
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I agree, I think the selling of Hernandez and RvP, was the correct thing to do in both of their circumstances, but the problem was not adequately replacing them.
Rooney doesn't play as a striker anymore, Martial is not viewed it seems as a striker, and Ibra at best is a short term fix, so we really only have Rashford to build around. More options would be nice to have in the future. |
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I agree, I think the selling of Hernandez and RvP, was the correct thing to do in both of their circumstances, but the problem was not adequately replacing them.
Rooney doesn't play as a striker anymore, Martial is not viewed it seems as a striker, and Ibra at best is a short term fix, so we really only have Rashford to build around. More options would be nice to have in the future. It's funny how times change, eh?
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Also funny how man united fans argued last season that they didn't need to sign another striker even though they had less options than now.
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I'm pretty sure I argued those exact same points in the summer, which you disagreed with. That Rooney won't play as a striker (much), Martial would be considered a wide player, and that you'd be relying on an aging Zlatan and Rashford to come good. According to you, though, those two, and Fletcher and Wilson were good enough. When I argued you'd need to sign another striker in between Zlatan and Rashford, you said it's fine, and you considered Fletcher and Wilson as part of that strike force, and argued that your strike force is "up there with any of them".
It's funny how times change, eh? ![]() With Wilson being injured and Fletcher sold, that means the situation that you are talking about has drastically changed. Now we could do with one, maybe two senior strikers, to compliment Rashford, and to take some of the burden away from him, seeing as presumably Ibra will not be around for next season (I kind if think he might join Becks in Miami or go somewhere else in America who has a free DP slot). |
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Also funny how man united fans argued last season that they didn't need to sign another striker even though they had less options than now.
I was pissed LVG sold three strikers and decided to rely solely on Rooney. We got Martial last minute and Rashford was thrown in because everyone was injured. |
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Fletcher and Wilson becoming unavailable hasn't changed a thing. I even argued as much in the Summer. You only had Zlatan and Rashford as strikers. I said that. To include Wilson and Fletcher as part of that strikeforce was entirely wishful thinking on your part. The most they'd feature is in the odd cup game. Wilson and Fletcher were completely irrelevant, before and after injuries and transfers.
I said you will need more than Rashford and Zlatan, to handle the league and Europa league, and to have someone inbetween Zlatan and Rashford. I didn't need situations to change to know that. You only had Rashford and Zlatan, that's all you were going to have if you didn't buy a striker in the summer. That's what I said. It seems I was right all along, and now you're making the same points I was making, that you were disagreeing with just a few months ago. |
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Fletcher and Wilson becoming unavailable hasn't changed a thing. I even argued as much in the Summer. You only had Zlatan and Rashford as strikers. I said that. To include Wilson and Fletcher as part of that strikeforce was entirely wishful thinking on your part. The most they'd feature is in the odd cup game. Wilson and Fletcher were completely irrelevant, before and after injuries and transfers.
I said you will need more than Rashford and Zlatan, to handle the league and Europa league, and to have someone inbetween Zlatan and Rashford. I didn't need situations to change to know that. You only had Rashford and Zlatan, that's all you were going to have if you didn't buy a striker in the summer. That's what I said. It seems I was right all along, and now you're making the same points I was making, that you were disagreeing with just a few months ago. The reason that we need one or at a push two extra strikers is due to the above happening, and them not being replaced within the squad (it is unfortunately too early for Gomes, Chong, and Buffonage from the Under 18's). If we had signed Ibra plus one other striker once Fletcher was sold, then perhaps in hindsight, that would have been better. |
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No, we are not on the same page, because you included them two as part of your strike force back in June, and I didn't, because I knew they wouldn't feature, or at a push they'd make the odd cup appearance.
Fletcher was sold, so obviously not good enough. If Wilson wasn't injured he still wouldn't have featured. They are totally irrelevant, and totally irrelevant to what I'm saying now. Injured or not, sold or not, they wouldn't have made a difference. The reason you needed another striker was argued in the summer, because Zlatan was an aging striker who wasn't proven in this league, and Rashford had to prove he was good enough. Wilson and Fletcher being unavailable means NOTHING in any context. The reason you needed to invest in a striker are the same now as they were in the summer, but since Wilson and Fletcher were fit and available you didn't seem to think it was needed. I didn't need hindsight to make my point. I didn't have the benefit of hindsight back in the summer when you thought a strike force of Zlatan, Rashford, Wilson and Fletcher was good enough to challenge for the league and compete in the Europa League. When I said Martial would be classed as a wide player, and Rooney wouldn't play up front, and so you only had two recognised first team strikers in Zlatan and Rashford. I don't know why you keep mentioning Wilson and Fletcher when they were irrelevant then and they are even more irrelevant now. |
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No, we are not on the same page, because you included them two as part of your strike force back in June, and I didn't, because I knew they wouldn't feature, or at a push they'd make the odd cup appearance.
Fletcher was sold, so obviously not good enough. If Wilson wasn't injured he still wouldn't have featured. They are totally irrelevant, and totally irrelevant to what I'm saying now. Injured or not, sold or not, they wouldn't have made a difference. The reason you needed another striker was argued in the summer, because Zlatan was an aging striker who wasn't proven in this league, and Rashford had to prove he was good enough. Wilson and Fletcher being unavailable means NOTHING in any context. The reason you needed to invest in a striker are the same now as they were in the summer, but since Wilson and Fletcher were fit and available you didn't seem to think it was needed. I didn't need hindsight to make my point. I didn't have the benefit of hindsight back in the summer when you thought a strike force of Zlatan, Rashford, Wilson and Fletcher was good enough to challenge for the league and compete in the Europa League. When I said Martial would be classed as a wide player, and Rooney wouldn't play up front, and so you only had two recognised first team strikers in Zlatan and Rashford. I don't know why you keep mentioning Wilson and Fletcher when they were irrelevant then and they are even more irrelevant now. Wilson may have been decent at youth level but I've seen nothing to suggest he can step up. Yeah I agree we needed better alternatives. The lack of goal from the midfield is also worrying. |
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