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Considering all the diverse issues surrounding players like Jones, Rooney, Mikhi and Schwiny for starters and the fact we have consistently been playing our best football since SAF retired, I think the jury is no longer out on Jose. He's still got and so has his team.
This team actually reminds me a bit of Liverpool when Klopp went in there last season, the results weren't brilliant, there were some notable wins but equally some really poor results but the overall performance level was a marked improvement on what had gone before and over time it started to fall into place, and look where they are now. |
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Good win tonight, and I don't quite believe that I am going to say this, but it was marred somewhat with Rooney's booking, thus ruling him out of the Everton game, as he has been playing well as of late.
Looks like things are set up for a Liverpool v ourselves final, which will be unbelievably nerve-wracking, as neither side will want to get beat by the other. Also am I alone in thinking that Adrian should have been sent off for his knee high challenge on Ibra for the first goal?? |
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#8653 |
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Agreed. Although the results haven't gone our way as much as we'd want, I've enjoyed all bar a couple of our games this season which is more than can be said for the last 3 years. Maybe that's just the bar being set really low after the tedium of the Van Gaal era but there at least seems to be the desire to play with pace, style and creativity, and I'd never criticise a United team for that.
This team actually reminds me a bit of Liverpool when Klopp went in there last season, the results weren't brilliant, there were some notable wins but equally some really poor results but the overall performance level was a marked improvement on what had gone before and over time it started to fall into place, and look where they are now. |
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We have been playing the best football in the league for a good few weeks now.
If it were, we wouldn't have drawn our last 4 home league games and wouldn't be 6th in the league. We've been playing pretty well, and creating more chances than the last couple of years, but that doesn't mean that 'we've been playing the best football in the league' by any stretch. Oh, and of course you're not 'the only one' who thinks that Adrian should have been sent off. The pundits, commentators and I suspect virtually all of the fans did, too. |
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#8655 |
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I've seen you say this a few times now, and it simply isn't true.
If it were, we wouldn't have drawn our last 4 home league games and wouldn't be 6th in the league. We've been playing pretty well, and creating more chances than the last couple of years, but that doesn't mean that 'we've been playing the best football in the league' by any stretch. Oh, and of course you're not 'the only one' who thinks that Adrian should have been sent off. The pundits, commentators and I suspect virtually all of the fans did, too. The drawing games, and being sixth in the league, is not telling the story about how well we have been playing, it is only telling the story of how poorly we have been finishing the chances that we have created, it is now probably well over one hundred chances to score in our most recent games, (upping the total goals now to seven from those shots). You don't create that many chances without playing well. |
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We have been playing great recently, the only part that has been missing is the final touch, i.e. the goals (admittedly the most key and important part), but our build up play, our ability to create chances has been great, surely you are not denying that has been superb??
The drawing games, and being sixth in the league, is not telling the story about how well we have been playing, it is only telling the story of how poorly we have been finishing the chances that we have created, it is now probably well over one hundred chances to score in our most recent games, (upping the total goals now to seven from those shots). You don't create that many chances without playing well. Have we been 'playing the best football in the league'? No. Scoring goals is a major part of 'playing the best football in the league'. Ask Liverpool and Chelsea. |
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Did I say that we haven't been playing well? No.
Have we been 'playing the best football in the league'? No. Scoring goals is a major part of 'playing the best football in the league'. Ask Liverpool and Chelsea. Presumably Swansea scoring five goals must mean that they played the best in the league for a while then in your mind, if playing well is mostly about scoring goals in your mind? If we haven't been playing the best football lately just who has in your mind? |
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So you think you cannot play well without scoring goals, okay fair enough then, I totally disagree with you on that.
Presumably Swansea scoring five goals must mean that they played the best in the league for a while then in your mind, if playing well is mostly about scoring goals in your mind? If we haven't been playing the best football lately just who has in your mind? Phil Neville saying that if you keep this up you will be in the top 4 but just don't see it. Arsenal is the immediate target but they are always in the top 4 so I just don't see you picking up around 9 more points than arsenal |
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So you think you cannot play well without scoring goals, okay fair enough then, I totally disagree with you on that.
Presumably Swansea scoring five goals must mean that they played the best in the league for a while then in your mind, if playing well is mostly about scoring goals in your mind? Quote:
If we haven't been playing the best football lately just who has in your mind?
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So you think you cannot play well without scoring goals, okay fair enough then, I totally disagree with you on that.
Presumably Swansea scoring five goals must mean that they played the best in the league for a while then in your mind, if playing well is mostly about scoring goals in your mind? If we haven't been playing the best football lately just who has in your mind? |
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Come on Batdude.... You made one statement in an earlier post, that was extremely subjective and even most man united supporters would disagree with it, you then justify it by arguing totally different and irrelevant points and then don't even refer again to the point that other posters were originally debating with you..
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Batdude would never admit that Liverpool and Chelsea have been playing better football than us so no point arguing.
Winning the league is out of the question but I wouldn't give up on top four just yet. Arsenal always have their traditional mid-season collapse, and City's form is patchy. I could easily see us going on a long winning streak if we play football like that and finish our chances. Do that and anything is possible. Whatever happens though, we are infinitely more entertaining to watch than the turgid built-up under LVG. |
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We've got 25 games left to close a 8 point gap on 4th place 10 points on 3rd. Included in those games are matches against those occupying those spots. If we can continue with the form we've show and taking Batty's words and adding the one missing word.
We've been playing SOME of the best football in the league recently, and add some conversion of the chances in the league games we'll be fine and dandy. No one has played each other twice in the league, in fact with Chelsea facing City this weekend someone is going to drop points there. That gap to City could be down to 7 this time next week, or the gap to the top down to 10 from 11. 4th place and higher is still very much achievable, the fat lady hasn't even arrived in her dressing room yet. The football we are playing is infinitely more entertaining than what we have seen over the past couple of seasons, has it been more successful? Our league position suggests not, but everyone seems more positive which is good, I hate to say it, but Jose has taken what we'd built with LVG's side and added some flair I can see lots of what we were doing with LVG in this team still, so whilst some mock I'll stick with the fact that it's more entertaining and when mocked over that and that being part of the "United Way" we seem far happier now, and await the results to come. |
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Batdude would never admit that Liverpool and Chelsea have been playing better football than us so no point arguing.
Winning the league is out of the question but I wouldn't give up on top four just yet. Arsenal always have their traditional mid-season collapse, and City's form is patchy. I could easily see us going on a long winning streak if we play football like that and finish our chances. Do that and anything is possible. Whatever happens though, we are infinitely more entertaining to watch than the turgid built-up under LVG. That us not to say the build up play, and general standard of play before hand we have been found waiting, because we haven't, we have just been found wanting with that final crucial touch, that is all (which is darn frustrating enough as it is). |
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Why are you managing to do in cup games thought that's the current mystery for you.
Phil Neville saying that if you keep this up you will be in the top 4 but just don't see it. Arsenal is the immediate target but they are always in the top 4 so I just don't see you picking up around 9 more points than arsenal We need to go on a huge winning run in the league, something that we haven't done in a good few years, to really put pressure on the teams in the top four. If we can (say a six or seven game winning streak), then we might see if we could crack those higher places, until then, it does look a bit of a forlorn hope currently, due to the frustratingly annoying amount of points that we have already dropped, which should have been maximum points. Quote:
I haven't said either of those things. In fact, quite the opposite. You are utterly impossible.
Liverpool and Chelsea, as I intimated previously. You'd have known that if you'd actually read the post, rather than imagining what was written. Quote:
I'm not sure how you've managed to get all that from Jim's post, when he actually said nothing of the sort.
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Come on Batdude.... You made one statement in an earlier post, that was extremely subjective and even most man united supporters would disagree with it, you then justify it by arguing totally different and irrelevant points and then don't even refer again to the point that other posters were originally debating with you..
We have just been lacking on the critical final touch, which is the most important bit as I have said previously. |
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Batdude would never admit that Liverpool and Chelsea have been playing better football than us so no point arguing.
Winning the league is out of the question but I wouldn't give up on top four just yet. Arsenal always have their traditional mid-season collapse, and City's form is patchy. I could easily see us going on a long winning streak if we play football like that and finish our chances. Do that and anything is possible. Whatever happens though, we are infinitely more entertaining to watch than the turgid built-up under LVG. |
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Arsenal haven't been convincing at all of late,certainly been fortunate with decisions as well.
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I'd prefer Arsenal to win it out of any of the realistic options who aren't us tbh.
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Why are you managing to do in cup games thought that's the current mystery for you.
Phil Neville saying that if you keep this up you will be in the top 4 but just don't see it. Arsenal is the immediate target but they are always in the top 4 so I just don't see you picking up around 9 more points than arsenal ![]() Quote:
I haven't said either of those things. In fact, quite the opposite. You are utterly impossible.
Liverpool and Chelsea, as I intimated previously. You'd have known that if you'd actually read the post, rather than imagining what was written. Quote:
The football we are playing is infinitely more entertaining than what we have seen over the past couple of seasons, has it been more successful? Our league position suggests not, but everyone seems more positive which is good, I hate to say it, but Jose has taken what we'd built with LVG's side and added some flair I can see lots of what we were doing with LVG in this team still, so whilst some mock I'll stick with the fact that it's more entertaining and when mocked over that and that being part of the "United Way" we seem far happier now, and await the results to come.
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I'd prefer Arsenal to win it out of any of the realistic options who aren't us tbh.
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I'd prefer Arsenal to win it out of any of the realistic options who aren't us tbh.
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Interesting to note that the midfield played so well last night without Pogba.
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Interesting to note that the midfield played so well last night without Pogba.
Carrick always makes the difference, in my opinion. |
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The key is Carrick, such a shame that we cannot clone him, and have a younger version of him to rotate with the actual one!
Carrick brings out the best in the rest of our midfielders, so hopefully he will be there against Everton, and then can have a rest for the Europa League game, before coming back for the match against his former club Spurs. Pogba should be fine against Everton if Carrick plays. The bigger question is how do we fit Mata, Martial, and Miki into the starting line-up? |
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The bigger question is how do we fit Mata, Martial, and Miki into the starting line-up?
Martial on the left, Mata in the middle, Mkhitaryan on the right, with Ibrahimovic up top. |
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It was subjective yes, but when you have created as many chances as we have, surely that is indicative of a team playing very well??
We have just been lacking on the critical final touch, which is the most important bit as I have said previously. If Mkhitaryan plays - and plays like he can - regularly then that's an added dynamism that will make a big difference as it's the sustained intensity that wears teams down and ensures more of those chances lead to goals. Simply creating chances through possession - as Liverpool so ably demonstrated against Burnley - is no indication of playing well at all - we had 26 shots that day and were universally panned (rightly) for our all-round performance. United's team balance was good last night in central midfield and in the wide positions - not sure it's a guarantee of success away from home though - and looks the best bet at Old Traffiord for getting at teams. |
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