Someone should tell the manager and team that 38 draws undefeated doesn't mean a team of invincible champions but 38 points and a relegation battle.

Substitutions against Arsenal resulted in 2 dropped points and more of the same today. Succumbing yet again to late pressure speaks to a continuing lack of character in that squad.

The less said about that oaf Fellaini the better.

They played that final 20 minutes or so like they were 7-0 up.

Fellaini's continued presence on the team is absolutely pathetic, as are the managers who continue to see value in playing him at all.

Yup, the only way we are getting into the Champions League next season is via the Europa League.

Yet more points dripped on Merseyside, just not good enough from our attacking players so far this season in the league.

We really struggle to get that vital second goal, and consequently, that allows the opposition to get a chance a to score it.

So unbelievably annoying.

The top five positions are out of our reach now, we are in a battle with the rest are f the club's around us for sixth spot, which really is shoddy, considering the amount of cash spent last summer.

We need to somehow find a way of scoring multiple times in a match, as scoring a single goal is rarely good enough.

And it's all very good having one moment of quality every game from Ibra, but that shouldn't discount the fact that he doesn't half fumble through every game doing it.

Ibra isn't the problem, it's tactics and substitutions. In other words, the manager needs to buck up his ideas.

Yep, agreed on all of this. Fellaini is not a Man Utd player and never has been.

But Jose and the rest of the players need to take blame too. Sat back last 20 mins and invited pressure but unlike Chelsea there was no effort to counter-attack. That is pure Jose at 1-0 down and you just can't play that way.

I certainly will not join in any Ibra bashing as he remains quality, but Pogba was utter shit. I would have subbed him off at half time for Mata tbh, woeful performance. He needs to do more.

13 points off the top in December is awful. Gifted the 1st goal and still couldn't win. Everton are awful imo and would have been soundly beaten by a top team today. Like I keep repeating a clear out is needed.

Hopefully Mourinho will be able to sell quite a few players and bring in competent players that are worthy of wearing the shirt in the next transfer window.

We should put all of eggs now in the Europa League, and concentrate on that, as the league is out of our hands now, we have dropped far too many points, for us to be in with even a remote chance of cracking those five positions above us.

It really is disappointing to have to write off a league season before Christmas, but that is where we find ourselves.

Fuming, getting sick and tired of us losing late goals that cost us valuable points, totally unacceptable, Fellaini in my opinion should never wear the Manchester United shirt again he is simply not good enough and is a waste of space. We should of won that, but as usual we let ourselves down as the players can't see a game out, we are not mentally strong enough it is pathetic that we keep crumbling in the last few minutes, we are not a mid table team we are Manchester United and we should be able to win games like this. 6th Place in the league coming up to Christmas is shocking considering the players we have at our disposal and the money we have spent in the last 3 or 4 years, you have to question are the players as good as we think or are they overrated? Do they want it enough? Are they really of the quality to play for Manchester United week in week out? I honestly thought we would see out the victory today but as usual we messed it up, simply not good enough we need to improve quickly, i can see us getting battered by Tottenham next week at Old Trafford, not nearly good enough.

The pattern is set, we score a goal, then miss chance after chance, then the opposition score, today just carries on that pattern.

Why we struggle to get more than me goal I don't know, we really do need to look as to why that is, as until we can sort that problem out, we will continue to drop points, and to fight it out with West Bromwich, Watford etc for league positions, rather than the places higher up in the league.

Have to point the finger at Mourinho for that I'm afraid. Fellaini barely counts as a footballer let alone one who will tighten a game up. The substitutions were all wrong and sitting too deep is also on Mourinho.

He needs to accept we aren't 2005 Chelsea and right now we just don't have the players to protect one goal leads. Instead of trying to finish them off we sat back and it's cost us ANOTHER cheap two points. Really annoying.

In a way we have quite a lot of freedom to experiment now, as we will not be troubling the top five teams, so why not blood some youngsters in the league games, whilst saving our best team for the Europa League?

Finishing between sixth and tenth doesn't really make all that much of a difference, as long as we win in Europe, plus it will give the younger players a chance to gain some much needed and valuable experience.

We have to be realistic now, the Europa League is our only chance of Champions League football next season.

I wonder how much we would get for Pogba.......?

No way he should be looking to blood youngsters now.... (unless there is some kid who is shouting out to be selected due to reserve or under 21 performances)..'Take each game at a time' and try and build up momentum with victories. Work on a system that the team are comfortable with. Abandoning the league now and being happy to finish in top 10 is definitely not what mourinho will do.

Anybody hear Leon Osman on Sky Sports after the game? Absolutely ripped the arse out of Fellaini as an ex-teammate:

"He was like that even when he played for us...we wanted him as far away from our own defensive box as possible"

Very, very rarely do you hear ex-teammates criticising an old player like that. How can he see it, every one at home see it, yet three successive Man Utd managers - two of whom have some of the best CVs in world football - fail to see it?! It is absolutely maddening!

Not the same performance today that we've seen over the last few games but thought we could at least have held on for the 3 points. Mkhitaryan for me was our stand out player yet again. Good to see him getting a run in the team. Would like to think that Felani won't be getting another game for a while. He's a liability.

It's not what anyone with any sense would do.

Yep. I suppose my response was to a post that didn't justify a reply.

We are so far away from even fifth place that we should be looking at the best way to be playing in the Champions League next season, and that is via the Europa League, so we need to make that our priority now, not the league.

Blooding players like F-M, or Tuanzabe, would be good for their development, rather than playing more experienced ones, save them for the Europa League I say.

Just doing the same thing now, will just mean getting similar results.

You can concentrate on the europa league and you are very unlikely to make it to the final. Madness to put all your eggs in that basket.

It would be ludicrous to concentrate to the EL. You don't even know what teams, and their quality, are going to be in it.
Still so many points to play for.

We need Champions League football next season, I think that I am right in saying that if we do not get it, as per our contract with our kit supplier, they can pay us a whole chunk less of cash, so getting to the top competition is a priority in so many ways.

Thus we need to try and look at which way is most likely, and since we are very far away from a top four place in the league, that means the Europa League then becomes our best option.

Will we get to the final, or win it, who knows, but we need to try our best to do so, going longer without the Champions League is not good for the club, on or off of the pitch.

Just about sums us up at the moment firmly mid table, let's look at winning one of the cups and see how the pursuit of Champions league football goes

It is very disappointing and disheartening, but we are where we are sadly.