Mourinho can whine all he wants about bad luck, but what's he doing about shambolic defending? Good grief....
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Originally Posted by mindset:
“Mourinho can whine all he wants about bad luck, but what's he doing about shambolic defending? Good grief....”
“Mourinho can whine all he wants about bad luck, but what's he doing about shambolic defending? Good grief....”
Shambolic defending, come on now, it is not as if we have Stones at the back or anything!
At last! Even Fellani couldn't mess that up 
Hope Miki's injury isn't too serious. Spurs didn't play well, but he was the difference today.
Hope Miki's injury isn't too serious. Spurs didn't play well, but he was the difference today.
The good thing (if anything at all can be good about Miki getting any injury), is that we have a top class replacement in Mata to come in for him if needs be.
Plus good to see Bailly make his league return, now if only we could convince him not to go on international duty!
Plus good to see Bailly make his league return, now if only we could convince him not to go on international duty!
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Shambolic defending, come on now, it is not as if we have Stones at the back or anything!”
“Shambolic defending, come on now, it is not as if we have Stones at the back or anything!
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If only we had your expert understanding of defending to help us...
Pleased we won and held onto a lead, although Spurs never really looked like scoring, we didn't defend well and i expected them to get a late equaliser. I thought we played reasonably well today especially Miki and his goal was brilliant, hope his twisted ankle isn't too bad as we need him and i can sympathise with him all the more at the moment as i twisted my ankle on Friday and it really is painful. I think more importantly for him and for us is that he is in great form at the moment and he is showing why we paid all that money for him and it would be a great shame if his injury stopped him in his track especially after a lack of playing time and his poor start to his United career.
Originally Posted by zieler:
“If only we had your expert understanding of defending to help us...”
“If only we had your expert understanding of defending to help us...”
My expert understanding on defending is quite simple, play Bailly in all of our important games, and we should do very well!
God damn the African Cup of Nations!
Hoping the ankle twist looked worse than it is.
Be bloody typical for us if he's injured now after just getting into his stride.
Couldn't close the game out with more than one goal again though, that's a slight worry.
Ref gave us nothing.
Be bloody typical for us if he's injured now after just getting into his stride.
Couldn't close the game out with more than one goal again though, that's a slight worry.
Ref gave us nothing.
With Palace up next, and their leaky defence, surely we can get back on track in terms of scoring multiple goals in a league game??
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“My expert understanding on defending is quite simple, play Bailly in all of our important games, and we should do very well!
God damn the African Cup of Nations!”
“My expert understanding on defending is quite simple, play Bailly in all of our important games, and we should do very well!
God damn the African Cup of Nations!
”
Yet you apparently know more than Guardiola, Fergie, Maldini etc.
Mourinho apparently said in an interview with NBC that Mkhitaryan's injury is not too serious and he should only be out for a week. Believe the phrase is thank ****.
Originally Posted by zieler:
“Yet you apparently know more than Guardiola, Fergie, Maldini etc.
Mourinho apparently said in an interview with NBC that Mkhitaryan's injury is not too serious and he should only be out for a week. Believe the phrase is thank ****.”
“Yet you apparently know more than Guardiola, Fergie, Maldini etc.
Mourinho apparently said in an interview with NBC that Mkhitaryan's injury is not too serious and he should only be out for a week. Believe the phrase is thank ****.”
It is quite simple in terms with f how to solve City's defensive issues, to start with get a pair (or three), and play them together as much as possible, that way they will get an understanding of themselves, and the keeper will also hae faith in them.
By changing week in week out, he is not allowing those sort of relationships to blossom, so whilst I am not claiming to be the fountain of all knowledge, the basics do not change, not matter where you are managing.
As for Miki, yeah José has said he will be back for the boxing day match, hopefully Mata will just come in for him for the Palace match then.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“It is quite simple in terms with f how to solve City's defensive issues, .”
“It is quite simple in terms with f how to solve City's defensive issues, .”
Have you thought of applying for some football jobs?
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“It is quite simple in terms with f how to solve City's defensive issues, to start with get a pair (or three), and play them together as much as possible, that way they will get an understanding of themselves, and the keeper will also hae faith in them.
By changing week in week out, he is not allowing those sort of relationships to blossom, so whilst I am not claiming to be the fountain of all knowledge, the basics do not change, not matter where you are managing.
As for Miki, yeah José has said he will be back for the boxing day match, hopefully Mata will just come in for him for the Palace match then.”
“It is quite simple in terms with f how to solve City's defensive issues, to start with get a pair (or three), and play them together as much as possible, that way they will get an understanding of themselves, and the keeper will also hae faith in them.
By changing week in week out, he is not allowing those sort of relationships to blossom, so whilst I am not claiming to be the fountain of all knowledge, the basics do not change, not matter where you are managing.
As for Miki, yeah José has said he will be back for the boxing day match, hopefully Mata will just come in for him for the Palace match then.”
Weird, since yesterday you were claiming that Guardiola didn't have a clue for taking the same view as Fergie etc so yes, you were claiming to be some fountain of knowledge. And claiming it is quite simple to solve the problem, yet somehow a manager who averaged under 20 goals a season at his last club hasn't seen this, is so laughably stupid that it deserves no response.
Originally Posted by LuvJamTarts:
“Have you thought of applying for some football jobs?”
“Have you thought of applying for some football jobs?”
Only on Football Manager.
Originally Posted by zieler:
“Weird, since yesterday you were claiming that Guardiola didn't have a clue for taking the same view as Fergie etc so yes, you were claiming to be some fountain of knowledge. And claiming it is quite simple to solve the problem, yet somehow a manager who averaged under 20 goals a season at his last club hasn't seen this, is so laughably stupid that it deserves no response.”
“Weird, since yesterday you were claiming that Guardiola didn't have a clue for taking the same view as Fergie etc so yes, you were claiming to be some fountain of knowledge. And claiming it is quite simple to solve the problem, yet somehow a manager who averaged under 20 goals a season at his last club hasn't seen this, is so laughably stupid that it deserves no response.”
His last club was ahead of most other clubs on that league, so he could afford to not pay that close attention to the defensive side of things.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Only on Football Manager.
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“Only on Football Manager.
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Then maybe you should stop shouting about how its so simple to fix things when im fairly certain you havent a clue beyond the aforementioned computer game.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Only on Football Manager.
His last club was ahead of most other clubs on that league, so he could afford to not pay that close attention to the defensive side of things.”
“Only on Football Manager.
His last club was ahead of most other clubs on that league, so he could afford to not pay that close attention to the defensive side of things.”
Laughable. His team conceded 58 goals in 3 years, and his teams have conceded the least goals in all 7 seasons he's been a manager despite him "knowing nothing about how to organise a defence" and him not paying close attention to defending. Obviously Barcelona going from conceding more than Racing Santander to immediately conceding the least in the league was just a coincidence since he knows nothing.
And I notice you're not trying to argue that Fergie knew nothing despite him saying the same stuff and occasionally having his arse handed to him (4-1 defeat to Middlesbrough, 5-0 to Chelsea, 6-1 to City etc). Funny that.
Originally Posted by LuvJamTarts:
“Then maybe you should stop shouting about how its so simple to fix things when im fairly certain you havent a clue beyond the aforementioned computer game.”
“Then maybe you should stop shouting about how its so simple to fix things when im fairly certain you havent a clue beyond the aforementioned computer game.”
I know my limits, and I and not trying to put myself forward as a sort of all knowing manager, like Pep, I am only commentating n the things that I see.
Originally Posted by zieler:
“Laughable. His team conceded 58 goals in 3 years, and his teams have conceded the least goals in all 7 seasons he's been a manager despite him "knowing nothing about how to organise a defence" and him not paying close attention to defending. Obviously Barcelona going from conceding more than Racing Santander to immediately conceding the least in the league was just a coincidence since he knows nothing.
And I notice you're not trying to argue that Fergie knew nothing despite him saying the same stuff and occasionally having his arse handed to him (4-1 defeat to Middlesbrough, 5-0 to Chelsea, 6-1 to City etc). Funny that.”
“Laughable. His team conceded 58 goals in 3 years, and his teams have conceded the least goals in all 7 seasons he's been a manager despite him "knowing nothing about how to organise a defence" and him not paying close attention to defending. Obviously Barcelona going from conceding more than Racing Santander to immediately conceding the least in the league was just a coincidence since he knows nothing.
And I notice you're not trying to argue that Fergie knew nothing despite him saying the same stuff and occasionally having his arse handed to him (4-1 defeat to Middlesbrough, 5-0 to Chelsea, 6-1 to City etc). Funny that.”
Let's see what happens from here on in, but correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Sir Alex in the years of the Premier League/Premiership went on quite the same sort of run in terms of conceding goals in consecutive games as Pep has done recently.
So whilst you are quite right to point out the high scoring defeats we have indeed suffered, Sir Alex, and in conjuction with Edwin, Rio and Vidic, also went what was it 12 games in a row without conceding a single goal.
That shows that there is a degree of difference in terms of learning about that particular artform.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I know my limits, and I and not trying to put myself forward as a sort of all knowing manager, like Pep, I am only commentating n the things that I see.”
“I know my limits, and I and not trying to put myself forward as a sort of all knowing manager, like Pep, I am only commentating n the things that I see.”
And yet so far today i have seen you state "its very simple how to fix citys defence" and "pep needs to learn...."
Seems to me you are setting yourself up as a sort of know it all. Failing dismally at it ill add but youre still trying.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I know my limits, and I and not trying to put myself forward as a sort of all knowing manager, like Pep, I am only commentating n the things that I see.
Let's see what happens from here on in, but correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Sir Alex in the years of the Premier League/Premiership went on quite the same sort of run in terms of conceding goals in consecutive games as Pep has done recently.
So whilst you are quite right to point out the high scoring defeats we have indeed suffered, Sir Alex, and in conjuction with Edwin, Rio and Vidic, also went what was it 12 games in a row without conceding a single goal.
That shows that there is a degree of difference in terms of learning about that particular artform.”
“I know my limits, and I and not trying to put myself forward as a sort of all knowing manager, like Pep, I am only commentating n the things that I see.
Let's see what happens from here on in, but correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Sir Alex in the years of the Premier League/Premiership went on quite the same sort of run in terms of conceding goals in consecutive games as Pep has done recently.
So whilst you are quite right to point out the high scoring defeats we have indeed suffered, Sir Alex, and in conjuction with Edwin, Rio and Vidic, also went what was it 12 games in a row without conceding a single goal.
That shows that there is a degree of difference in terms of learning about that particular artform.”
And that shows that you aren't understanding anything that is being put forward. My point wasn't "Fergie knew nothing", it was that taking a small sample size and picking on some quotes, that you fatally misunderstand, is idiotic. We went on that amazing run of not conceding and then in Fergie's final year we conceded 43 goals. Did that suddenly mean he knew nothing and some cretin on a forum knew more? No, of course it ****ing didn't. Guardiola has spent 7 years managing teams to have incredible defensive records. So does a bad start to the season mean he has no clue as you repeatedly said? No, of course it doesn't and it is genuinely insane to claim that.
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