He signed a new contract and we don't need the money. Why would we think about selling?

Answer your own question, it's what you have been saying for a year.

We have not gone about things in the best possible way (that would have been saying good by to LvG round about in the new year, when it was clear that things were not going as planned), and instead we have just carried on regardless, and have had a dire season.

The back and forth seemingly between the two factions over who should take over, Giggs or Jose (as they seem to be the two options on the table by all accounts) is not exactly showing us in the best of lights is it?

It doesn't seem as if we are all marching to the same tune, which does seem to be somewhat of a problem.

Why couldn't we trust Mourinho?

We would only be thinking about selling if De Gea really wanted the move, similar to Hernandez, we didn't need the money with him, yet he was sold because he was unhappy, and still had time on his contract with us.

So basically this mental and haphazard way of doing things boils down to we didn't sack van gaal at xmas.

We have done nothing, we have stuck by the man in the role and rumours suggest we are changing in the summer.

I don't know what "attempts" we have made to change manager and I don't know in what way they were "mental and haphazard", hence me asking the question which so far you can't answer. I'm beginning to think perhaps you simply said it with no thought whatsoever.

And Hernandez wasn't sold because he was unhappy. He was sold because the manager told him he had no place in his plans. Bloody hell.

But you insisted all year that this couldn't possibly happen under any circumstances and we could "put it to bed" and he definitely wouldn't be sold this summer despite others telling you the reasons why it could very well happen.

It now seems you have suddenly decided that when once we wouldn't sell anyone unless it was on our own terms we are now getting rid of anyone who may be unhappy.

I'm glad of course that this isn't you changing your mind in any way shape or form.

Because, he would make it all about himself, rather than the club for starters, then there is the issue of youth, could we trust him to continue with the policy that we have had going back throughout the decades?

We have something there that we should be very proud of, and with Jose he does not tend to trust younger player and that worries me a hack of a lot.

Yes of course they should be good enough to play first and foremost, and should not be played just because they are young, but there still should be a place for them within the first team set-up, or at least there should be a clear progress pathway for them.

Also could we trust him not to bring the club into disrepute? In his past few clubs, he has poked an opposition coach in the eyeball, and had the club physio sue him and the club due to his behavior, that is not what we should be looking for in any potential manager.

Yes Sir Alex was no saint, far from it, but he never did anything like those two incidents as for as I can recall, he was passionate yes, but he didn't step over the line like Jose has done.

There are a lot of things that worry me with Jose, and those are just some of the things for starters.

I did not expect us to have such a woeful season, shame on me for not predicting such a thing.

De Gea I hope will still be here next season, if he he is then brilliant, as that would mean we would have a firm place from which to start re-building the team/squad.

Again, this is not me changing my mind, this is me responding to the current situation, which is all anyone can do, unless they have Nostradamus type powers of prediction.

You do seem to have an issue with admitting you've changed your opinion, if your views were as represented by the other poster.

You realise you're not a politician running for office and that you can say "I was wrong on that" without losing votes?

Yes of course, and I have said I was wrong on many occasions in the past, and probably/most likely will do so in the future, so I have no issue with saying so, no worries on that front!

LVG is only using youth because of our injury issues. McNair? Blackett ? Wilson? Chucked in for a few games , when did they last play a game for us ?

Rashford will be back on the bench as soon as Rooney is fit!

As soon as everyone is fit these youth players will disappear again. LVG can use this because it's about the only trump card he's got left.

Sir Alex got involved in a disagreement with two major shareholders which ultimately led to the Glazer takeover, grudges with the BBC, ex players, Beckham and the flying boot

Come on Batdude!

I don't follow, how did that happen exactly?

Dude, you know I have no personal gripe with you but I must say that I find your anti-Mourhino stance inexplicable. What do you mean by you don't trust him? You surely don't think he'll be dipping into the petty cash? If it's the worry that he isn't interested in the youth development, I'd venture to suggest that at this pivotal moment when 3 years post Fergie we are relatively speaking, in dire straits, the performance of the first team should be our priority.

Given that one big criticism of Mourhino is that he is a short term manager - maximum 3 years, for me that actually makes him more attractive in the circumstances we find ourselves. We've tried the 'Fergie Mould' in Moyes and all we got was a lesson in mediocrity. LVG promised so much and has failed miserably.

Looking at the future including the youth set up, I think we need to get back to being a competitive side both domestically and in Europe. We can develop a great youth team but if the first team isn't successful, we end up just being a feeder club.

As a matter of interest, who would you be looking towards to take United forward?

As I said Sir Alex certainly was no saint, and he had his moments (which you point out), but maybe the horse issue aside (as that was a personal matter between him and them, which happened to affect the club) he has not harmed opposition staff or done something which resulted in an employee suing him and the club has he?

As for the youth players issue, Jose had the best youth team in Europe (as they won the UEFA Youth League), yet didn't use any of them for any sustained period, that does not fill me with confidence if he were to come here.
We have got good young talented players, (like Rashford, Varela, Fosu-Mensah, and Pereira for example), will he use them, or will they stagnate under him?
It is the stagnating that worries me, as we should be trying to improve them, and continue their development.

Without wishing to repeat myself (as I did a post explaining my issues with Jose a week, maybe two now ago-it is hard to keep up with my own posts times!), I will say that I believe that there are talented coaches/managers out there outside of the Jose bubble. (Please don't think I am being rude by not wishing to repeat myself.)

Koeman, Frank de Boer, Simeone, and Pochettino would all be good options for starters, if they were at all attainable.

I would love for their to be a British or even English option, but apart from Eddie Howe, (who is still a bit green at Premier League level) there doesn't seem to suitable options for us to consider.

Google is your friend Doctor Muff.

I would fill a page with why Magnier and McManus decided to sell an almost 30 percent stake they had in Manchester United.

Yes but it'd all be nonsense.

Magnier and McManus would have sold their shares regardless, just like the 70% of the shareholders who didn't have a conflict with Ferguson over a horse did.

We've done the British manager experiment route. Look at West Ham, got rid of Alladyce and got good football and are currently fifth in the table above us.

Okay, it could all go tits up next season but they've got a new stadium to move into and they're probably as happy as a pig in muck.

Meanwhile Allyadyce is trying to keep Sunderland in the premier league.

Pereira has hardly got a sniff under LVG, he was supposedly going out on loan in January. I'd be surprised if Varela gets too many games now there's the option of Valencia and Darmian.

Rashford will be playing second fiddle to Rooney as soon as he is fit. FM has hasn't had that many minutes anyway.

As Ninny said, we've tried the Fergie British mould as well the current established European and national successful manager. Personally I don't think their respective failures are a bar to any other managers in their mould at United at some stage.

But speaking for here and now,I really don't see why Mourhino is to be ignored. Personally I'd snap him up in a minute.

As for the names you mentioned, Poch would be good but what chances of him leaving Tottenham right now? Koeman hasn't proved himself in the PL as yet. Simeone and de Boer even more so. For me, a proven PL (and other top European leagues) available and apparently chomping at the bit to get the job? Really seems like a no- brainer to me.

I guess we'll never agree but I still think it would be folly not to snatch Mourhino this time around.

BTW, you mention possible stagnation of the youth team if Mourinho is appointed manager. Don't you think a successful first team is the best precursor to a successful youth set up? I am aware that teams such as Southampton produced good youth but they lost those players because the first team wasn't competitive. I think you need to look at the bigger picture and if the plans for the next 3 years neglect to an extent the youth but put us back fighting for top honours, so be it.

Oh my, I can see we're on completely different pages re Mourinho. I'm not saying I condone poking someone in the eye but most of his transgressions have made me smile at least. The whole thing with the doctor is possibly the one thing I had a problem with. But that said, I'll take Mourinho and his faults for success and I think this is just the challenge he needs especially after what happened this past stint at Chelsea.

Anyway, I think I've made it more than clear as to who I want in charge come the summer. I guess my moral compass is slightly awry when it comes to United. And I won't apologise for that..

I had reservations to start with, but Mourinho is a no brainer selection for me now.

The only disappointment is the consistent rumour that the "old guard" are vehemently against it. Might that cause friction? I don't know.

I cannot think of anyone better to repair the hopelessly smashed confidence of some of these players though.

There is a slight concern of continuing "negative" tactics, but people have often overlooked how many goals his teams have scored in the past.

These concerns are non issues in our present situation.

"Making it al about himself" is completely meaningless.

Our youth players only played because we had 14 players out injured and you seem to think we need to sign a whole raft of new players so they wouldn't be getting much of a look in next season anyway no matter who the manager was. Irrespective of this in 99% of aces they aren't good enough.

Ferguson behaved every bit as dubiously as Mourinho in general terms . Of course you will place Mourinhos specific behaviours as worse in order to suit your point but Fergie nearly blinded his best player and was constantly in trouble with refs, the FA or whatever. He was stubborn, one eyed and a bad loser and that's what made him so brilliant. If Mourinho fails the "standards" test then I can only imagine you must have been very upset with Ferguson over the years.