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I wouldn't be surprised if mourinho got rid of one of those two
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#9052 |
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I wouldn't be surprised if mourinho got rid of one of those two
Not having a go at you or anything, just curious that is all.
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I think he doesn't rate both of them extremely highly and wouldn't mind clearing the decks to sign some more of his own players
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I'd imagine that there are a whole host of players ahead of those two, in the queue to be punted.
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I think he doesn't rate both of them extremely highly and wouldn't mind clearing the decks to sign some more of his own players
Personally I do think it would be a shame if either went, but if for example, we sign Griezmann in the summer, something or someone will have to give, and it could very well be one of those two players. |
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(to the post two above) Yep, agree with that, but those two would be the shock ones who you could get good money for who were mentioned.
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Personally I do think it would be a shame if either went, but if for example, we sign Griezmann in the summer, something or someone will have to give, and it could very well be one of those two players.
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(to the post two above) Yep, agree with that, but those two would be the shock ones who you could get good money for who were mentioned.
To be honest, I'm not 100% convinced by Rashford, but he's so young that I think that it'd be foolish to sell him soon. I'd hate to see Martial go, but as you say, it's possible that Mourinho doesn't rate him too highly. |
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I think that he'd ideally like to shift Rooney, and possibly even Mata. Depay is nailed on to go, too.
I take your point, but I don't think that there's a pressing need to bring in the cash. We'll get a hefty-enough chunk for Schneiderlin, Depay and whoever else is moved on. To be honest, I'm not 100% convinced by Rashford, but he's so young that I think that it'd be foolish to sell him soon. I'd hate to see Martial go, but as you say, it's possible that Mourinho doesn't rate him too highly. Mata has become a key player for us, why would José get rid of him, although I suppose he was seen as a key player at Chelsea, and he still got rid, so who knows for sure. About the only players not going anyway (even with Real Madrid getting their summer back) are De Gea, Bailly, Carrick, Miki, Ibra, Herrera, and Pogba, the rest, well I think they have their price, and we could be persuaded to sell for the right sort of deal. |
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Some pretty flaky stuff in The Telegraph, linking West Ham with a move for Rashford or Martial.
No chance of Martial going there, and I'm not sure that Mourinho would consider loaning out Rashford. Ibrahimovic can't go on like this, all season. It sounds odd but the Rashford one at least (as a loan deal) would make some sense if there was a striker getting bought around the 25-27 age mark. Someone like Griezmann seems unlikely in January, though. But even then you'd want Rashford still at the club, learning from Zlatan and new guy would be better than spending half a season losing at West Ham, but at least in that circumstance a loan would be justifiable. |
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Highly doubt either will be going anywhere, although I get the impression that things aren't totally hunky dory where Martial is concerned.
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About the only players not going anyway (even with Real Madrid getting their summer back) are De Gea, Bailly, Carrick, Miki, Ibra, Herrera, and Pogba, the rest, well I think they have their price, and we could be persuaded to sell for the right sort of deal.
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You wouldn't want to lose either Martial or Rashford and risk them realising their potential elsewhere. A loan move for Rashford wouldn't be so bad if you weren't so short up front, unless Mourinho had a striker lined up in January. Otherwise you'd be left with Ibrahimovic, and Rooney, when he's played there. You're already pretty thin up top, I think.
It sounds odd but the Rashford one at least (as a loan deal) would make some sense if there was a striker getting bought around the 25-27 age mark. Someone like Griezmann seems unlikely in January, though. But even then you'd want Rashford still at the club, learning from Zlatan and new guy would be better than spending half a season losing at West Ham, but at least in that circumstance a loan would be justifiable. It might be worth looking at a loan for Rashford next season, providing that a striker is signed, but it makes no real sense now. Quote:
Highly doubt either will be going anywhere, although I get the impression that things aren't totally hunky dory where Martial is concerned.
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You wouldn't want to lose either Martial or Rashford and risk them realising their potential elsewhere. A loan move for Rashford wouldn't be so bad if you weren't so short up front, unless Mourinho had a striker lined up in January. Otherwise you'd be left with Ibrahimovic, and Rooney, when he's played there. You're already pretty thin up top, I think.
It sounds odd but the Rashford one at least (as a loan deal) would make some sense if there was a striker getting bought around the 25-27 age mark. Someone like Griezmann seems unlikely in January, though. But even then you'd want Rashford still at the club, learning from Zlatan and new guy would be better than spending half a season losing at West Ham, but at least in that circumstance a loan would be justifiable. We are lacking options up front that much is for sure, it is why Ibra is having to play as often as he is currently, so until that changes, then I don't see us letting Martial or Rashford leave the club. |
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All of the players 'have their price'. I can't imagine that Carrick or Ibrahimovic will be sold, simply because of their age, but the others could be.
Can you really see any of them being sold? |
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Good summation of the situation. Agreed. It might be worth looking at a loan for Rashford next season, providing that a striker is signed, but it makes no real sense now. Zlatan's old, Rashford's young, both can't be played or relied upon all season. So even if another striker was bought in January, it'd still be beneficial for him and the club to NOT go out on loan in January. But, generally speaking, January's a tough transfer window to sign someone like Griezmann or Lukaku. With exceptions, top level strikers don't tend to move (unless for really big money) in January. Players in general, in fact. |
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The players that I listed as being safe, I doubt have a price quite in the same way as those that I didn't list, they are our key players, and such I cannot see them moving anytime soon, no matter what is offered.
Can you really see any of them being sold? However, I agree that it's unlikely that the players mentioned will move this summer. Quote:
Agreed. I mean, if you signed someone in January, I could see the logic in a loan for the rest of the season to someone like West Ham, but, really, he's best remaining at Man United, even if you sign someone. There'd be three first team strikers, plus Rooney, that'd be a decent balance, I think, especially with you still being in the Europa.
Zlatan's old, Rashford's young, both can't be played or relied upon all season. So even if another striker was bought in January, it'd still be beneficial for him and the club to NOT go out on loan in January. But, generally speaking, January's a tough transfer window to sign someone like Griezmann or Lukaku. With exceptions, top level strikers don't tend to move (unless for really big money) in January. Players in general, in fact. |
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Agreed. I mean, if you signed someone in January, I could see the logic in a loan for the rest of the season to someone like West Ham, but, really, he's best remaining at Man United, even if you sign someone. There'd be three first team strikers, plus Rooney, that'd be a decent balance, I think, especially with you still being in the Europa.
Zlatan's old, Rashford's young, both can't be played or relied upon all season. So even if another striker was bought in January, it'd still be beneficial for him and the club to NOT go out on loan in January. But, generally speaking, January's a tough transfer window to sign someone like Griezmann or Lukaku. With exceptions, top level strikers don't tend to move (unless for really big money) in January. Players in general, in fact. We need someone in between Ibra's age and Rashford's age, to give that nice little bit of balance between all of the options available to us, quite who that player could be, I don't know. You mention Lukaku and Griezmann, but I doubt very much that their respective clubs would sell them at this stage, not while they are still in the running to possibly win things. |
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Was Ronaldo not a 'key player'? Or Beckham? There are lots of reasons why they might be sold.
However, I agree that it's unlikely that the players mentioned will move this summer. Yeah, I can't see us doing anything in January, in that department. With Ronaldo, I think that there was some sort of deal behind the scenes, in regards to giving us one more year, then he can be sold, so again, nothing to do with his importance on the pitch. Can you honestly say that about any of the players that I listed previously, that off the field dealings or feelings might impact their stay with us? Of course one cannot predict the future too much (if at all), but all of those players do seem settled with us, and there doesn't seem much drama with them away from the pitch, so it would be odd or strange to see any of them leave the club. |
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At the time of his departure, Beckham was on his way out anyway, the relationship with Sir Alex I think was already at breaking point, so no matter his importance on the pitch, his time with us, was sadly coming to an end.
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With Ronaldo, I think that there was some sort of deal behind the scenes, in regards to giving us one more year, then he can be sold, so again, nothing to do with his importance on the pitch.
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Can you honestly say that about any of the players that I listed previously, that off the field dealings or feelings might impact their stay with us?
Of course one cannot predict the future too much (if at all), but all of those players do seem settled with us, and there doesn't seem much drama with them away from the pitch, so it would be odd or strange to see any of them leave the club. It would be much easier if you just read posts properly. |
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We managed to get Mata in January, but I agree that signing players in January is a tough window to do business in, and it is not really ideal anyway, as players generally need a settling in period.
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You mention Lukaku and Griezmann, but I doubt very much that their respective clubs would sell them at this stage, not while they are still in the running to possibly win things.
Griezmann and Lukaku are EXAMPLES. An EXAMPLE isn't the point being made, you don't need to reply to an EXAMPLE because I could have replaced that name with anyone else and it wouldn't matter. And all you've done is focused on my use of examples and expanded on it by explaining WHY Man United wouldn't be able to sign them in January. See, this is partly why I'm ignoring you. And I'm making this post to give you a reminder that I'm ignoring you because you're constantly replying to me. In the very post you acknowledged me ignoring you, you asked me a question. So, I'm doing this for YOUR benefit now so you don't waste your time in replying to me because I'm not going to respond to you. I'm IGNORING you, so any reply to me will be a complete waste of your time because you won't get a reaction from me. You can reply to me all you want but this is the last thing I'm going to say to you. If you need to, look up the definition of the word "ignore", or "ignoring", and keep reading it until it sinks in. I know I said it the other day, but it doesn't seem to have done anything so it's a final reminder that I'm completely, 100% ignoring you from the moment I submit this post. Anything you say to me will be futile. Please don't respond acknowledging what I'm doing while also asking me a question because I won't bite. EDIT: Actually, I'm going to put it in bold, in the hopes that you'll get the picture. You keep responding to me even after I say I'm ignoring you. I'm IGNORING you. 100%. It's not an option. It's not debatable. I don't know why you insist on trying to talk to me when I've made myself more than clear. I can't tell you who you can and cannot talk to, only advise you to not waste your time talking to me. Anything you say to me from this point onwards will get NO RESPONSE from me. I'm not going to waste anymore of my time with you, so I suggest you don't waste anymore time on me. Last edited by TheMunch : 21-12-2016 at 14:38. Reason: Putting bolded part at the end, to make things as clear as possible |
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I'm aware of this. It's one of those 'lots of reasons' that I mentioned.
I'm aware of this. It's one of those 'lots of reasons' that I mentioned. This is why I said that it was 'unlikely' It would be much easier if you just read posts properly. I don't see there being that much drama with our key players this time around, so I would genuinely be shocked if any of them were to leave in the summer. |
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I said "with exceptions" for a reason..................................
Griezmann and Lukaku are EXAMPLES. An EXAMPLE isn't the point being made, you don't need to reply to an EXAMPLE because I could have replaced that name with anyone else and it wouldn't matter. And all you've done is focused on my use of examples and expanded on it by explaining WHY Man United wouldn't be able to sign them in January. See, this is partly why I'm ignoring you. And I'm making this post to give you a reminder that I'm ignoring you because you're constantly replying to me. In the very post you acknowledged me ignoring you, you asked me a question. So, I'm doing this for YOUR benefit now so you don't waste your time in replying to me because I'm not going to respond to you. I'm IGNORING you, so any reply to me will be a complete waste of your time because you won't get a reaction from me. You can reply to me all you want but this is the last thing I'm going to say to you. If you need to, look up the definition of the word "ignore", or "ignoring", and keep reading it until it sinks in. I know I said it the other day, but it doesn't seem to have done anything so it's a final reminder that I'm completely, 100% ignoring you from the moment I submit this post. Anything you say to me will be futile. Please don't respond acknowledging what I'm doing while also asking me a question because I won't bite. As for your use of examples, yes I knew they were, hence why I was talking about them, and also the bigger picture, which is of us getting a player in the middle between Ibra and Rashford, which would benefit us in the long run I think. Sorry that you feel this way towards me, hopefully one day on the future, you will change your mind, and we will be able to have a decent and well meaning, and constructive conversation again. |
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The summer's too far away to predict. The paper speculation is about the January window and I don't think Mourinho will get rid of anyone mentioned in here today in January - unless they tell him they want to go. Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger and Memphis are the most likely possibilities IMO but I can't see any of the other big names being punted out, not even on loan, not next month anyway. He might even refuse a Memphis request before the summer unless he can unexpectedly get a better replacement, there are a heck of a lot of important matches we might have to play before then. Too risky!
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The summer's too far away to predict. The paper speculation is about the January window and I don't think Mourinho will get rid of anyone mentioned in here today in January - unless they tell him they want to go. Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger and Memphis are the most likely possibilities IMO but I can't see any of the other big names being punted out, not even on loan, not next month anyway. He might even refuse a Memphis request before the summer unless he can unexpectedly get a better replacement, there are a heck of a lot of important matches we might have to play before then. Too risky!
You've got our lot at Old Trafford on the 16th of January. Luckily for you there'll be no Sadio Mané, and, luckily for Liverpool, no Eric Bailly. Don't you just love the African Cup of Nations? If we ever do get a winter break it should be while that's on.
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Yeah no moves would happen without a replacement already lined up, I don't think. Then there's the whole settling in business, unless they hit the ground running. I could see Everton going for Schneiderlin and Memphis, though, and there's a good chance it'll happen. Schneiderlin permanently, Memphis maybe on loan, either with an option to buy or not.
You've got our lot at Old Trafford on the 16th of January. Luckily for you there'll be no Sadio Mané, and, luckily for Liverpool, no Eric Bailly. Don't you just love the African Cup of Nations? If we ever do get a winter break it should be while that's on. ![]() You probably will have Coutinho back for that match I presume, so that might compensate for the loss of Mane somewhat. As for us, I do think it will be a case of more "outs" than "in's" in terms of transfers, we have this lad coming from Benfica in defence by the looks of things, but beyond that, I don't see us being that busy with bringing players in. |
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Yeah two vital players missing for each side, which is a tad unfortunate for both teams.
You probably will have Coutinho back for that match I presume, so that might compensate for the loss of Mane somewhat. As for us, I do think it will be a case of more "outs" than "in's" in terms of transfers, we have this lad coming from Benfica in defence by the looks of things, but beyond that, I don't see us being that busy with bringing players in. |
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