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Old 23-12-2016, 11:55
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Isn't he 5 years younger than Ibra?
Ibra was a free transfer to basically be a stop gap for two years before Rashford/Martial are either ready or we are forced to move on. Payet would be £30m on a guy with a few years left who would be competing with a bunch of experienced players like Mata, Mkhitaryan etc. So yeah, Payet is younger but he's too old for the role while Ibrahimovic fits the striker situation perfectly.
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Old 23-12-2016, 12:10
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He would be a terrific option at free-kicks, as apart from maybe Pogba, we don't really posses anyone who is a danger from them.
Ibrahimovic?!

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Old 23-12-2016, 12:14
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Mata too, when he's actually on the field
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Old 23-12-2016, 12:19
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So I'm trying to work this out, The players who had more trophies than he could shake a stick at, didn't have a winning mentality??? That Moyes should have instilled that into them??

That the squad that had more trophies than he could shake a stick at, that had just won the league needed reinforcing, note won the league by 11 points... United having a shambolic summer transfer window was something new???

I'm using arguments made against myself here from the time Moyes was in charge about the state of the team he inherited, and was called out. For many of those in that team Fergie left, we've heard on the departure they weren't good enough for United, even though they were part of teams that won multiple titles. Had Moyes gone about the whole sale changes in the way that LVG and Jose will undertake, he'd have been called out for sure, before a ball was kicked in anger. Then when the players performed at the levels they did it wasn't there fault but the manager, then when they were got rid of we were told they were not good enough.

Moyes took on a poisoned chalice of a role by coming to us, had he succeeded in that first year and won us the league, it would have been a huge miracle. In terms of backing by the board, all we know is that the manager gives the board the list of players he wants, be it 4 or 5 players in varying positions or even more names with second and third choice if they can't get the top pick for the position, it's then up to the board to go to the clubs in question and do the negotiations. If the club delayed contacts with people it is the board's fault and not Moyes, the whole situation with Herrera that summer was Woodwards fault not Moyes. Don't try and whitewash that summer, Ed's performance was as akin to a Ralph Milne performance on the pitch.

We are on our second manager since Moyes departed and they both have had more success than he could shake a stick at and we are still no nearer winning the league, and that's with near enough completely revamping the whole squad. That sort of says something about what Moyes had to work with. The genius that was Fergie, had a squad of not good enough's or those near the end of the career winning a league by 11 points, all be it one of poor quality when looking at the seasons before and since. Note that shouldn't detract from the fact we won it, but it wasn't the strongest season we've seen.

Moyes will go down in history as "one of the worse", but it was a thankless task he accepted, either way he couldn't win he'd have had to win the league with the players he had (even this would have been down to Fergie's players rather than him), then revamp the entire squad in 3 or 4 windows and keep winning to be considered anything else.
Moyes biggest mistake was making too many changes to the backroom staff, going to a massive club with no success under your belt you dont then throw away the people who know how to deal with the players. The fact that the players had not enough respect for someone whos biggest triumph was a league one win with Preston wouldnt have helped.
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Old 23-12-2016, 12:32
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Moyes biggest mistake was making too many changes to the backroom staff, going to a massive club with no success under your belt you dont then throw away the people who know how to deal with the players. The fact that the players had not enough respect for someone whos biggest triumph was a league one win with Preston wouldnt have helped.
Plus reportedly telling Rio and Vidic to study how Jagielka plays, and to copy his style, wouldn't exactly have gone down too well I think!
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Old 23-12-2016, 12:37
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Pulis has confirmed they've bid for Schneiderlin, reported as £13m. Frankly think that should be met with a go **** yourselves. He's not been great for us but he's worth more than that.

Also, Mourinho has said the squad is looking good and Shaw's almost back from his injury.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:02
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I would value Schniderlin at £15m, only slightly more than what West Brom have bid. He's been a flop at United.

Should he go to West Brom? Yes. Will Jose let him? Almost certainly not, for that money.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:30
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Plus reportedly telling Rio and Vidic to study how Jagielka plays, and to copy his style, wouldn't exactly have gone down too well I think!
That was just ****ing ridiculous. No matter how many times I see that I still can't fathom how he ever thought that was a good idea.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:32
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I would value Schniderlin at £15m, only slightly more than what West Brom have bid. He's been a flop at United.

Should he go to West Brom? Yes. Will Jose let him? Almost certainly not, for that money.
I'd want £20m for him. Might not get that much but selling at £13m would be selling him way too cheap. PL proven, in his prime, multiple clubs interested etc.
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:51
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Old 23-12-2016, 13:56
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That was just ****ing ridiculous. No matter how many times I see that I still can't fathom how he ever thought that was a good idea.
It was a ridiculous thing to say, up there with that reported Clough quote about the Leeds players putting all their medals in the bid, funny how neither lasted too much longer after each said such things!

I'd want £20m for him. Might not get that much but selling at £13m would be selling him way too cheap. PL proven, in his prime, multiple clubs interested etc.
Clubs know that we want rid, and he wants out presumably, so unless we can stage a sort of "bidding war", then he might go for the lesser amount, but with a few other added extras.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:02
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I'd want £20m for him. Might not get that much but selling at £13m would be selling him way too cheap. PL proven, in his prime, multiple clubs interested etc.
In the current football / Premier League economy, you should easily get at least £20m for him.

When young players like Jordon Ibe are going for £15m, or the relegated Moussa Sissoko for £30m, then £20m isn't a great ask.

Regarding Dimitri Payet, £30m is too much for a player his age unless they're amazing. Although he does seem to be great on free kicks but you don't pay £30m for someone to score from free kicks. £20m would be a good price for him, though, but West Ham won't think so, so you aren't getting him for that amount. If you do spend £30m on him and he settles in quickly and wins you things then you'll forget all about the £30m, but he's not exactly a priority.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:07
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Mourinho's publically confirmed that Schneiderlin can go, for 'the right offer'.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:13
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Mourinho's publically confirmed that Schneiderlin can go, for 'the right offer'.
That will decrease the possibility of us getting a good deal I think, as the more open a team is to saying that a player can leave, then the harder it will be to get a good deal for him.

Shame it didn't work out for him here with us, as he did come with a fairly good pedigree, I think he will do well at West Brom, if that is indeed where he ends up, him and Fletcher could dovetail quite well I think.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:16
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Shame it didn't work out for him here with us, as he did come with a fairly good pedigree, I think he will do well at West Brom, if that is indeed where he ends up, him and Fletcher could dovetail quite well I think.
Everton would be mad to let that happen.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:17
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In the current football / Premier League economy, you should easily get at least £20m for him.

When young players like Jordon Ibe are going for £15m, or the relegated Moussa Sissoko for £30m, then £20m isn't a great ask.

Regarding Dimitri Payet, £30m is too much for a player his age unless they're amazing. Although he does seem to be great on free kicks but you don't pay £30m for someone to score from free kicks. £20m would be a good price for him, though, but West Ham won't think so, so you aren't getting him for that amount. If you do spend £30m on him and he settles in quickly and wins you things then you'll forget all about the £30m, but he's not exactly a priority.
The only position that is any sort of real priority is finding a replacement for Carrick, as unfortunately he cannot go on for much longer, and has only about one more season after this one in him I think.

After that it is finding another striker, as I don't think either Rooney or Ibra will be here in two years time.

Payet doesn't fit into either of those positions, so as good as he might be, we should be looking at other areas for the figures that might be needed to sign him.
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Old 23-12-2016, 14:19
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Everton would be mad to let that happen.
As a replacement for Barry, he could also do quite well there, hopefully we can entice them into bidding for his services, so that we can play them off of West Brom, and thus hopefully end up with getting a bigger fee for him.
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Old 23-12-2016, 16:18
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Payet can stay at West Ham, one good season and a decent international tourny at 29 doesn't make him a great player. Plus didn't the press report the other day that any deal we did for him would have to include Martial. As indifferent as Martial has been this year, look at the potential and how long we've got with him compared to Payet, who'll come in and do well for one season and then do sweet FA coming in scoring the odd goal to keep himself in the squad and nothing more.
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Old 23-12-2016, 16:49
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That was just ****ing ridiculous. No matter how many times I see that I still can't fathom how he ever thought that was a good idea.
Well he's still bleating on about how hard done by he was so nothing would surprise me in Moyes's world.

Should have put a gagging clause in that severance deal.
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Old 23-12-2016, 17:38
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I'd want £20m for him. Might not get that much but selling at £13m would be selling him way too cheap. PL proven, in his prime, multiple clubs interested etc.
BiB: Although he is at the age where he should be in his prime, it seems that he reached his peak at Southampton and has been declining since he joined United. But he can still potentially revive his career at West Brom.
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Old 23-12-2016, 19:30
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The only position that is any sort of real priority is finding a replacement for Carrick, as unfortunately he cannot go on for much longer, and has only about one more season after this one in him I think.

After that it is finding another striker, as I don't think either Rooney or Ibra will be here in two years time.

Payet doesn't fit into either of those positions, so as good as he might be, we should be looking at other areas for the figures that might be needed to sign him.
Agree with all of this but I think I'm the only person on the thread that sees Blind as the ready-made replacement for Carrick. He's not quite as good as Carrick, but can do a very similar job.

Payet can stay at West Ham, one good season and a decent international tourny at 29 doesn't make him a great player. Plus didn't the press report the other day that any deal we did for him would have to include Martial. As indifferent as Martial has been this year, look at the potential and how long we've got with him compared to Payet, who'll come in and do well for one season and then do sweet FA coming in scoring the odd goal to keep himself in the squad and nothing more.
Yeah, agree with this as well.

BTW, I hope I'm not tempting fate, but the stars are aligning for us to give Sunderland a right hammering.
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Old 23-12-2016, 21:20
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BiB: Although he is at the age where he should be in his prime, it seems that he reached his peak at Southampton and has been declining since he joined United. But he can still potentially revive his career at West Brom.
I don't know if it was him declining. I think it was just that he didn't suit the way he was being asked to play by Van Gaal and his confidence slumped. He'll probably get straight back to his Southampton form elsewhere, but it's not going to happen here.

Also, Di Marzio is claiming that Everton have offered £40m for Schneiderlin and Memphis. That would be a really good deal for us.
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Old 23-12-2016, 23:53
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£40 million for the pair sounds like a good and fair deal, if we could get it.
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Old 24-12-2016, 00:25
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Also, Di Marzio is claiming that Everton have offered £40m for Schneiderlin and Memphis. That would be a really good deal for us.
Yep, agreed.
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Old 24-12-2016, 00:52
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That money could be put aside for use in the summer for by the looks of things a bid for Griezmann, as one would think he will not come cheap.
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