Originally Posted by Tribec:
“So I'm trying to work this out, The players who had more trophies than he could shake a stick at, didn't have a winning mentality??? That Moyes should have instilled that into them??
That the squad that had more trophies than he could shake a stick at, that had just won the league needed reinforcing, note won the league by 11 points... United having a shambolic summer transfer window was something new???
I'm using arguments made against myself here from the time Moyes was in charge about the state of the team he inherited, and was called out. For many of those in that team Fergie left, we've heard on the departure they weren't good enough for United, even though they were part of teams that won multiple titles. Had Moyes gone about the whole sale changes in the way that LVG and Jose will undertake, he'd have been called out for sure, before a ball was kicked in anger. Then when the players performed at the levels they did it wasn't there fault but the manager, then when they were got rid of we were told they were not good enough.
Moyes took on a poisoned chalice of a role by coming to us, had he succeeded in that first year and won us the league, it would have been a huge miracle. In terms of backing by the board, all we know is that the manager gives the board the list of players he wants, be it 4 or 5 players in varying positions or even more names with second and third choice if they can't get the top pick for the position, it's then up to the board to go to the clubs in question and do the negotiations. If the club delayed contacts with people it is the board's fault and not Moyes, the whole situation with Herrera that summer was Woodwards fault not Moyes. Don't try and whitewash that summer, Ed's performance was as akin to a Ralph Milne performance on the pitch.
We are on our second manager since Moyes departed and they both have had more success than he could shake a stick at and we are still no nearer winning the league, and that's with near enough completely revamping the whole squad. That sort of says something about what Moyes had to work with. The genius that was Fergie, had a squad of not good enough's or those near the end of the career winning a league by 11 points, all be it one of poor quality when looking at the seasons before and since. Note that shouldn't detract from the fact we won it, but it wasn't the strongest season we've seen.
Moyes will go down in history as "one of the worse", but it was a thankless task he accepted, either way he couldn't win he'd have had to win the league with the players he had (even this would have been down to Fergie's players rather than him), then revamp the entire squad in 3 or 4 windows and keep winning to be considered anything else.”
Moyes biggest mistake was making too many changes to the backroom staff, going to a massive club with no success under your belt you dont then throw away the people who know how to deal with the players. The fact that the players had not enough respect for someone whos biggest triumph was a league one win with Preston wouldnt have helped.
