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If that goal went against us we'd rightly be furious. You could accept linesmen getting the marginal calls wrong but missing that was outrageous.
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I can disregard Batty's attitude regarding Miki's goal. He's only seeing things through rose tinted glasses with his comments. However his attitude to Borini's goal is staggering, whilst not being a "how the flip did he do that" type of goal as Miki's was, it's still a stunning goal no matter what time in the game. De Gea had no chance and no keeper in the world would have had a chance with that one. I hope both are included in the Goal of the Month contest, as they both richly deserve it.
Going back to Miki's goal, there is a shot which I'm going to try and find and watch over, where you see the linesman isn't in line with play and is ball watching rather than looking for where Miki was, and clearly misses the fact he's offside. Had it been against us we'd be crying foul at the linesman for this, we still should be as it's incompetency like this that costs teams from top to bottom, the fact it's given us an advantage at this point shouldn't stop us complaining and wanting a rise in officiating standards in this country. The one thing I would say though is that it's rose tinted glasses when you're getting arsey about it being offside, it's baiting. |
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If anyone wants to have a decent discussion on a football topic, then they are more than welcome to with myself, or anyone else. |
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Mkhitaryan's goal was probably the most unusual backheel since Higuita's 'donkey kick'. As spectacular as it was though, I would still vote it down because it should have been disallowed for offside.
Furthermore, if Mkhitaryan had kept himself onside, the incoming ball would have arrived in front of him for an almost routine put-away, rendering the technical fireworks unnecessary. Anyway, the win is the thing.... |
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agreed. i have stood up for bats in past but no doubt about it hes a weird cat.
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With all respect they're not at all, because you have a regular habit of dodging posts when questioned or even more ridiculously, claiming to have missed them despite being on the forum all the time. You're incapable of discussion or debate in any manner.
I like a good discussion with whomever wants to have one, no matter who they support (if indeed they support anyone, or are just a fan in general). |
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Mkhitaryan's goal was probably the most unusual backheel since Higuita's 'donkey kick'. As spectacular as it was though, I would still vote it down because it should have been disallowed for offside.
Furthermore, if Mkhitaryan had kept himself onside, the incoming ball would have arrived in front of him for an almost routine put-away, rendering the technical fireworks unnecessary. Anyway, the win is the thing.... |
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Agree with you both regarding the officials. It's also getting annoying how there seems to be at least one big mistake from the officials in every match. I know some of it is because the commentators look for the drama and you have all sorts of replays but there have been so many obviously shit decisions in the last couple of months that it gets pretty tiring.
The one thing I would say though is that it's rose tinted glasses when you're getting arsey about it being offside, it's baiting. Anyway onto the officials how we didn't get a pen for even Ibra had his legs taken away from him I don't know! They are certainly consistent, in being inconsistent, you just don't know what you are going to get from week to week, and that is the most frustrating thing I think. I don't know what the answer is,as supposedly they are all professional now, and so should be mostly on the same page on terms of their decision making. |
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How can it be offside when it wasn't given as offside??
Surely if it was given as offside, then it wouldn't have counted, and would sit alongside Schmeichel at Selhurst Park, in terms of quality offside goals that didn't count, but that is simply not the case here. Borini's was good, but falls into the completely irrelevant, and pointless, as due to the time left in the match, they were simply not going to get anything, not even a draw from the match, so it didn't take any gloss off of the defeat I would say.. |
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I can disregard Batty's attitude regarding Miki's goal. He's only seeing things through rose tinted glasses with his comments. However his attitude to Borini's goal is staggering, whilst not being a "how the flip did he do that" type of goal as Miki's was, it's still a stunning goal no matter what time in the game. De Gea had no chance and no keeper in the world would have had a chance with that one. I hope both are included in the Goal of the Month contest, as they both richly deserve it.
Regardless of the offside non-decision, I actually thought that Borini's goal showed more technique than Mkhitaryan's. Mkhitaryan's goal, whilst visually stunning, had an element of luck about it. He's hung his leg out and hoped for the best. I can't believe that he deliberately steered it into the top corner, whereas Borini meant exactly what he did. |
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I am honestly not on the forum all of the time, and do miss posts, I do actually do other things, outwith being on here,so if I do miss something, then I do try and say sorry, and try to get up to speed as quickly as possible.
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There was no baiting from my end.
Squads for the African Cup of Nations have been announced, unsurprisingly Bailly has been selected by Ivory Coast. Zaha has as well, hadn't realised he hadn't played a competitive game for England. |
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Batdude's post count didn't get to where it is today without wasting two pages on each post as CJ may or may not say! If that goal had been scored at Anfield he'd have been in the neutrals thread all day long dismissing it and telling all comers it didn't count. Totally transparent as usual.
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Agree with this.
Regardless of the offside non-decision, I actually thought that Borini's goal showed more technique than Mkhitaryan's. Mkhitaryan's goal, whilst visually stunning, had an element of luck about it. He's hung his leg out and hoped for the best. I can't believe that he deliberately steered it into the top corner, whereas Borini meant exactly what he did. |
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The goal was very picturesque but impossible to totally refute the suggestion that it was a miss-timed thrust with a leg stuck out in hope he'd flick it on to someone else, or worse stop the ball from flying by.
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I agree with this but didn't want to get jumped on by Man United fans here for saying it.. It wouldn't be anywhere near my goal of the season.
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Not sure you can really class his goal as irrelevant or pointless. Many a quality goal has been scored when it hasn't affected the result. Doesn't alter the fact that the goal is still quality.
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Agree with this.
Regardless of the offside non-decision, I actually thought that Borini's goal showed more technique than Mkhitaryan's. Mkhitaryan's goal, whilst visually stunning, had an element of luck about it. He's hung his leg out and hoped for the best. I can't believe that he deliberately steered it into the top corner, whereas Borini meant exactly what he did. Quote:
Bullshit.
Squads for the African Cup of Nations have been announced, unsurprisingly Bailly has been selected by Ivory Coast. Zaha has as well, hadn't realised he hadn't played a competitive game for England. We will miss Bailly that is for sure, we will have to hope that this new found partnership of Jones and Rojo will continue to be as good as they have been recently whilst he is away. Quote:
And your post count didn't get where it was today without post after post making digs at him. Totally predictable as usual.
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I agree with this but didn't want to get jumped on by Man United fans here for saying it.. It wouldn't be anywhere near my goal of the season.
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I wouldn't go that far. It was still a terrific piece of improvisation, and needed a high level of skill to make the right connection. I just don't think that he could have known exactly where the ball would go.
Either way, it was a great goal, and one that I will not get tired of seeing!
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BBC claiming we're not planning to bid for Lindelof. Apparently the form of Jones and Rojo means he doesn't think it's necessary right now.
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BBC claiming we're not planning to bid for Lindelof. Apparently the form of Jones and Rojo means he doesn't think it's necessary right now.
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BBC claiming we're not planning to bid for Lindelof. Apparently the form of Jones and Rojo means he doesn't think it's necessary right now.
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BBC claiming we're not planning to bid for Lindelof. Apparently the form of Jones and Rojo means he doesn't think it's necessary right now.
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He would have known by doing so, that he would be catching the keeper out, and the general area of the goal to where it did eventually go, and so saying that he didn't know where it was going to end up us a tad bit harsh.
Either way, it was a great goal, and one that I will not get tired of seeing! ![]() |
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Interesting, thanks for this, hopefully if we don't sign him, it may mean eventually more minutes for the younger players like Mensah or Tunzabe.
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If this new contract business, with the huge jump in the release clause fee, is correct, then I can't say that I'd be too disappointed to miss out.
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It's not the form of Jones that's the problem though without wanting to put the mockers on it.
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The goal was brilliant. It was offside but that doesnt take away the skill involved to even attempt it. Its one of them that could have ended up miles away as well but again, doesnt take away from the skill to try it. Its also one of them that if Messi had scored it no-one would have a bad word said about it.
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I like a good discussion with whomever wants to have one, no matter who they support (if indeed they support anyone, or are just a fan in general). |
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Only he'll know if it was intended, if he did it was amazing, but I'd go with the theory that he intended to get some contact on it and hope for the best. The fact that it was offside should, if there's any justice for players who score legitimate goals, keep it away from goal of the season.
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Sorry, you lost me, what was the "what" about in regards to my post??Quote:
Ive seen you say this over and over recently and its just not something your capable of doing. Im not sure you even know what "good discussions" even means to be honest. You even see it as a discussion when youre replying to people that want nothing to do with you, as you acknowledged recently.
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