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Old 28-12-2016, 15:00
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BBC reporting we've changed our minds on LIndelof in January due to how well Rojo and Jones are doing. If we've got someone who we can get in January and would be willing to go, why would we wait until summer? Makes no sense to me.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:01
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Since it was given, and it counted, just out of interest, doesn't that make it a legitimate goal?

Yes from looking at the replays, it was offside, but to not include it, because of an officiating mistake does seem rather harsh.



Sorry, you lost me, what was the "what" about in regards to my post??



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No a legitimate goal would be a goal scored in accordance with the laws of the game. Failure to enforce those laws through an error does not make the goal legitimate. It's just my opinion but I'd rather see a goal not covered in controversy win goal of the season.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:32
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'Covered in controversy' is stretching it.

It wasn't even the winner, so didn't have any impact on the result.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:35
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BBC reporting we've changed our minds on LIndelof in January due to how well Rojo and Jones are doing. If we've got someone who we can get in January and would be willing to go, why would we wait until summer? Makes no sense to me.
It does seem a bit of a strange situation, lots of hype and if we have changed our mind, then hopefully we won't live to regret it.
I don't quite know all of the details in this case, but perhaps we might be able to get him cheaper in the summer??

No a legitimate goal would be a goal scored in accordance with the laws of the game. Failure to enforce those laws through an error does not make the goal legitimate. It's just my opinion but I'd rather see a goal not covered in controversy win goal of the season.
Fair enough, and I get where you are coming from, and I suppose in that respect you could include Borini's goal ahead of Miki's then from that match.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:42
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No a legitimate goal would be a goal scored in accordance with the laws of the game. Failure to enforce those laws through an error does not make the goal legitimate. It's just my opinion but I'd rather see a goal not covered in controversy win goal of the season.
Sorry but I cannot agree with this and some similar comments posted by a few others, nor about the error made by the linesman. Yes it was an error. Technically. But no official has the benefit of frame-by-frame replays of fast movements as in this case - and timing is the reason for his error. You can download the video of all 6 camera angles from the Man Utd website and play it back in single frames, so i did.

Two frames before the stop-frame shown by TV, Miki was level. Two frames is 0.08 seconds and given the wide angle between nearby Zlatan and the much more distant running Miki (at a key moment obscured from the official by another player) I defy anyone to consistently get this kind of decision right. It's not humanly possible.

Yes sometimes they'll get the timing right and sometimes not but obviously mainly the wrong ones are highlighted. This is not about linesman error, it's about the limits of human perception and judgement in a fast moving football match. In the days before slomo replays, nobody would ever have known Miki was offside, least of all Miki himself. This was just a normal football official's decision and one that in the past would have been fully respected, and so it should be today.

Unless and until refs or 4th. officials have the benefit of instant stop-frame video replays, officials should not be criticised for this kind of hairline timing decision, because no amount of training or professionalism will ever prevent it. 25 years ago we'd have had none of this carping about it being unfair on other contenders for goal of the season, because nobody would ever have known. Miki's goal has as much right to be goal of the season as any other, IMO.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:46
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Agree with the above. I wouldn't have it as up there for Goal of the season but nothing to do with it being a marginal offside decision called wrongly
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:50
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'Covered in controversy' is stretching it.

It wasn't even the winner, so didn't have any impact on the result.
As I remember, the goal of the season is decided by a few factors, strengh of opposition, the goal's impact on the game, and maybe how much was due to luck. I don't know what other factors there are.

Since it was meant to be offside, that might work against it, and because it didn't decide the result.

Personally I'd give it to Jordan Henderson for his goal against Chelsea. A great goal that meant Liverpool won the match. The fact that it decided the result, with the game finishing 1-2 to Liverpool, and it was against Chelsea away from home should work in his favour.


But I could be totally wrong about how it's decided. I'm thinking of another goal of the year award that includes everyone, where one of the women came in top three last year after their World Cup.
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Old 28-12-2016, 15:56
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I didn't realise that they took all of those factors into consideration...
There was a goal by a Fulham player a couple of years ago, ball played over the top, he controlled it on his chest and volleyed it from an angle, just inside the area... Stunner... Maybe it didn't win due to it being less important..... Or possibly cos it wasn't me voting alone for the winner...
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:07
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As I remember, the goal of the season is decided by a few factors, strengh of opposition, the goal's impact on the game, and maybe how much was due to luck. I don't know what other factors there are.

Since it was meant to be offside, that might work against it, and because it didn't decide the result.

Personally I'd give it to Jordan Henderson for his goal against Chelsea. A great goal that meant Liverpool won the match. The fact that it decided the result, with the game finishing 1-2 to Liverpool, and it was against Chelsea away from home should work in his favour.


But I could be totally wrong about how it's decided. I'm thinking of another goal of the year award that includes everyone, where one of the women came in top three last year after their World Cup.
Are you are thinking of the Puskas award, in regards to Stephenie Roach's brilliant goal, which was scored in a league game?
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:08
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I didn't realise that they took all of those factors into consideration...
There was a goal by a Fulham player a couple of years ago, ball played over the top, he controlled it on his chest and volleyed it from an angle, just inside the area... Stunner... Maybe it didn't win due to it being less important..... Or possibly cos it wasn't me voting alone for the winner...
I remember that Fulham goal, wow what a stunner that was, unbelievable technique, and it just flew into the back of the net!
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:14
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I didn't realise that they took all of those factors into consideration...
There was a goal by a Fulham player a couple of years ago, ball played over the top, he controlled it on his chest and volleyed it from an angle, just inside the area... Stunner... Maybe it didn't win due to it being less important..... Or possibly cos it wasn't me voting alone for the winner...
I might be thinking of a FIFA award that includes internationals. It might get given when the Ballon d'Or gets awarded. A woman got nominated for her goal in the women's World Cup.

I don't know if the same factors apply to the Premier League. It might just be a simple poll voted by people, in which case by the time it's being voted for, all that'll matter is the quality of the goal.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:15
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It was Kasami vs Palace. Just looked it up..
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:20
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I've never been one for caring about goals. Some are more impressive than others but a goals a goal. Come end of the season my favourite is more likely to be a 94th minute tap-in winner against Liverpool than a 50 yard volley to make it 4-0 vs Bournemouth.

Put in with that player/manager of the season awards, team of the year etc. Couldn't give a monkeys about any of that. Never have.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:25
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Personally I'd give it to Jordan Henderson for his goal against Chelsea. A great goal that meant Liverpool won the match. The fact that it decided the result, with the game finishing 1-2 to Liverpool, and it was against Chelsea away from home should work in his favour.
Liverpool fan favours Liverpool goal, for 'Goal of the Season'?

Blow me down.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:27
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all views are welcome here.


Really ? I posted a few months ago about " Chris Smalling " I said hes not Man utd class for a C/H ............ I was blasted from about 5/6 posters on this thread

I read a post I think it was yesterday might be wrong, but the poster was saying the same , how times have changed

* On another note * Hope C7 & Joey B * get another chance to get back on this thread, There is an old poster back on the LBC thread
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:30
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Really ? I posted a few months ago about " Chris Smalling " I said hes not Man utd class for a C/H ............ I was blasted from about 5/6 posters on this thread
Depends on what you mean by 'blasted'.

If people just disagreed with you, even strongly, that doesn't mean that your views aren't 'welcome'.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:33
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I might be thinking of a FIFA award that includes internationals. It might get given when the Ballon d'Or gets awarded. A woman got nominated for her goal in the women's World Cup.

I don't know if the same factors apply to the Premier League. It might just be a simple poll voted by people, in which case by the time it's being voted for, all that'll matter is the quality of the goal.
Yep I think so. MOTD, assuming that's the ones we're taking about was always just the goal itself
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:34
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Liverpool fan favours Liverpool goal, for 'Goal of the Season'?

Blow me down.
Well, I'll admit to not watching others that much to make it a fair choice. Given the criteria I think exists, the choice makes sense.

There's an 80% chance that I've seen better goals (criteria or no criteria) and simply forgot them. And if the strength of opposition and how crucial the goal is doesn't actually matter then it probably won't win. If it's simply a public vote then I'm confident it wouldn't win.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:34
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Depends on what you mean by 'blasted'.

If people just disagreed with you, even strongly, that doesn't mean that your views aren't 'welcome'.
it certainly wasn't a pleasant feeling.I can tell you that matey !
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:38
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Well, I'll admit to not watching others that much to make it a fair choice. Given the criteria I think exists, the choice makes sense.

There's an 80% chance that I've seen better goals (criteria or no criteria) and simply forgot them. And if the strength of opposition and how crucial the goal is doesn't actually matter then it probably won't win. If it's simply a public vote then I'm confident it wouldn't win.
My comment was tongue-in-cheek, mate.

It was a great goal, in fairness.
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Old 28-12-2016, 16:45
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My comment was tongue-in-cheek, mate.

It was a great goal, in fairness.
I know.

I am thinking of the MOTD vote, so, yeah, no criteria. Which means Mkhitaryan's goal will still count if it's nominated, as could Jordan Henderson. If the title race remains Liverpool vs Chelsea then a winning goal in a game between the two sides could mean something.
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Old 28-12-2016, 17:21
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I know.

I am thinking of the MOTD vote, so, yeah, no criteria. Which means Mkhitaryan's goal will still count if it's nominated, as could Jordan Henderson. If the title race remains Liverpool vs Chelsea then a winning goal in a game between the two sides could mean something.
Henderson's was a brilliant goal, and a very important one at that, however for shear impudence, and technical brilliance, then Miki's is ahead of it for me.
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Old 28-12-2016, 17:24
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I might be thinking of a FIFA award that includes internationals. It might get given when the Ballon d'Or gets awarded. A woman got nominated for her goal in the women's World Cup.

I don't know if the same factors apply to the Premier League. It might just be a simple poll voted by people, in which case by the time it's being voted for, all that'll matter is the quality of the goal.
The FIFA award you are thinking of, is the Puskas award, which allows goals from anyone to be included I believe, hence why both males and females were up for the award together, which makes a nice change I think, for them to be considered on a par with each other.
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Old 28-12-2016, 17:27
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Really ? I posted a few months ago about " Chris Smalling " I said hes not Man utd class for a C/H ............ I was blasted from about 5/6 posters on this thread

I read a post I think it was yesterday might be wrong, but the poster was saying the same , how times have changed

* On another note * Hope C7 & Joey B * get another chance to get back on this thread, There is an old poster back on the LBC thread
Having a difference of opinion, I hope doesn't come across as having a go at you for having your own opinion on a topic, it just means that there is something to talk about, with different viewpoints.

As for old ex posters, it will be nice to start afresh with them once again, and get some more, different viewpoints.
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Old 28-12-2016, 17:32
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It's not the form of Jones that's the problem though without wanting to put the mockers on it.
This was the same sort of thing people talked about Smalling last season.

What I will say from what I've seen of Jones during this run of games, is that he hasn't thrown himself into stupid challenges and has rarely been caught out of position where he's had to put himself into danger. This partnership with Rojo is looking like it says on the tin a partnership, and both are showing us the quality they have. It may not have been the partnership we expected or wanted during the summer or before, but it's working. So much so, that if it carries on I think both of them may come off the journo's list of perennial leavers.
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