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BBC reporting we've changed our minds on LIndelof in January due to how well Rojo and Jones are doing. If we've got someone who we can get in January and would be willing to go, why would we wait until summer? Makes no sense to me.
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#9302 |
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Since it was given, and it counted, just out of interest, doesn't that make it a legitimate goal?
Yes from looking at the replays, it was offside, but to not include it, because of an officiating mistake does seem rather harsh. Sorry, you lost me, what was the "what" about in regards to my post?? Yes, I am very much capable of having discussions with people, and I do know what they are. |
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'Covered in controversy' is stretching it.
It wasn't even the winner, so didn't have any impact on the result. |
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BBC reporting we've changed our minds on LIndelof in January due to how well Rojo and Jones are doing. If we've got someone who we can get in January and would be willing to go, why would we wait until summer? Makes no sense to me.
I don't quite know all of the details in this case, but perhaps we might be able to get him cheaper in the summer?? Quote:
No a legitimate goal would be a goal scored in accordance with the laws of the game. Failure to enforce those laws through an error does not make the goal legitimate. It's just my opinion but I'd rather see a goal not covered in controversy win goal of the season.
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No a legitimate goal would be a goal scored in accordance with the laws of the game. Failure to enforce those laws through an error does not make the goal legitimate. It's just my opinion but I'd rather see a goal not covered in controversy win goal of the season.
Two frames before the stop-frame shown by TV, Miki was level. Two frames is 0.08 seconds and given the wide angle between nearby Zlatan and the much more distant running Miki (at a key moment obscured from the official by another player) I defy anyone to consistently get this kind of decision right. It's not humanly possible. Yes sometimes they'll get the timing right and sometimes not but obviously mainly the wrong ones are highlighted. This is not about linesman error, it's about the limits of human perception and judgement in a fast moving football match. In the days before slomo replays, nobody would ever have known Miki was offside, least of all Miki himself. This was just a normal football official's decision and one that in the past would have been fully respected, and so it should be today. Unless and until refs or 4th. officials have the benefit of instant stop-frame video replays, officials should not be criticised for this kind of hairline timing decision, because no amount of training or professionalism will ever prevent it. 25 years ago we'd have had none of this carping about it being unfair on other contenders for goal of the season, because nobody would ever have known. Miki's goal has as much right to be goal of the season as any other, IMO. |
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Agree with the above. I wouldn't have it as up there for Goal of the season but nothing to do with it being a marginal offside decision called wrongly
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'Covered in controversy' is stretching it.
It wasn't even the winner, so didn't have any impact on the result. Since it was meant to be offside, that might work against it, and because it didn't decide the result. Personally I'd give it to Jordan Henderson for his goal against Chelsea. A great goal that meant Liverpool won the match. The fact that it decided the result, with the game finishing 1-2 to Liverpool, and it was against Chelsea away from home should work in his favour. But I could be totally wrong about how it's decided. I'm thinking of another goal of the year award that includes everyone, where one of the women came in top three last year after their World Cup. |
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I didn't realise that they took all of those factors into consideration...
There was a goal by a Fulham player a couple of years ago, ball played over the top, he controlled it on his chest and volleyed it from an angle, just inside the area... Stunner... Maybe it didn't win due to it being less important..... Or possibly cos it wasn't me voting alone for the winner... |
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As I remember, the goal of the season is decided by a few factors, strengh of opposition, the goal's impact on the game, and maybe how much was due to luck. I don't know what other factors there are.
Since it was meant to be offside, that might work against it, and because it didn't decide the result. Personally I'd give it to Jordan Henderson for his goal against Chelsea. A great goal that meant Liverpool won the match. The fact that it decided the result, with the game finishing 1-2 to Liverpool, and it was against Chelsea away from home should work in his favour. But I could be totally wrong about how it's decided. I'm thinking of another goal of the year award that includes everyone, where one of the women came in top three last year after their World Cup. |
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I didn't realise that they took all of those factors into consideration...
There was a goal by a Fulham player a couple of years ago, ball played over the top, he controlled it on his chest and volleyed it from an angle, just inside the area... Stunner... Maybe it didn't win due to it being less important..... Or possibly cos it wasn't me voting alone for the winner... |
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I didn't realise that they took all of those factors into consideration...
There was a goal by a Fulham player a couple of years ago, ball played over the top, he controlled it on his chest and volleyed it from an angle, just inside the area... Stunner... Maybe it didn't win due to it being less important..... Or possibly cos it wasn't me voting alone for the winner... I don't know if the same factors apply to the Premier League. It might just be a simple poll voted by people, in which case by the time it's being voted for, all that'll matter is the quality of the goal. |
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It was Kasami vs Palace. Just looked it up..
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I've never been one for caring about goals. Some are more impressive than others but a goals a goal. Come end of the season my favourite is more likely to be a 94th minute tap-in winner against Liverpool than a 50 yard volley to make it 4-0 vs Bournemouth.
Put in with that player/manager of the season awards, team of the year etc. Couldn't give a monkeys about any of that. Never have. |
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Personally I'd give it to Jordan Henderson for his goal against Chelsea. A great goal that meant Liverpool won the match. The fact that it decided the result, with the game finishing 1-2 to Liverpool, and it was against Chelsea away from home should work in his favour.
Blow me down. |
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all views are welcome here.
![]() Really ? I posted a few months ago about " Chris Smalling " I said hes not Man utd class for a C/H ............ I was blasted from about 5/6 posters on this thread ![]() ![]() I read a post I think it was yesterday might be wrong, but the poster was saying the same , how times have changed * On another note * Hope C7 & Joey B * get another chance to get back on this thread, There is an old poster back on the LBC thread |
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![]() Really ? I posted a few months ago about " Chris Smalling " I said hes not Man utd class for a C/H ............ I was blasted from about 5/6 posters on this thread ![]() ![]() If people just disagreed with you, even strongly, that doesn't mean that your views aren't 'welcome'. |
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I might be thinking of a FIFA award that includes internationals. It might get given when the Ballon d'Or gets awarded. A woman got nominated for her goal in the women's World Cup.
I don't know if the same factors apply to the Premier League. It might just be a simple poll voted by people, in which case by the time it's being voted for, all that'll matter is the quality of the goal. |
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Liverpool fan favours Liverpool goal, for 'Goal of the Season'?
Blow me down. There's an 80% chance that I've seen better goals (criteria or no criteria) and simply forgot them. And if the strength of opposition and how crucial the goal is doesn't actually matter then it probably won't win. If it's simply a public vote then I'm confident it wouldn't win. |
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Depends on what you mean by 'blasted'.
If people just disagreed with you, even strongly, that doesn't mean that your views aren't 'welcome'. |
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Well, I'll admit to not watching others that much to make it a fair choice. Given the criteria I think exists, the choice makes sense.
There's an 80% chance that I've seen better goals (criteria or no criteria) and simply forgot them. And if the strength of opposition and how crucial the goal is doesn't actually matter then it probably won't win. If it's simply a public vote then I'm confident it wouldn't win. It was a great goal, in fairness. |
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My comment was tongue-in-cheek, mate.
It was a great goal, in fairness. ![]() I am thinking of the MOTD vote, so, yeah, no criteria. Which means Mkhitaryan's goal will still count if it's nominated, as could Jordan Henderson. If the title race remains Liverpool vs Chelsea then a winning goal in a game between the two sides could mean something. |
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I know.
![]() I am thinking of the MOTD vote, so, yeah, no criteria. Which means Mkhitaryan's goal will still count if it's nominated, as could Jordan Henderson. If the title race remains Liverpool vs Chelsea then a winning goal in a game between the two sides could mean something. |
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I might be thinking of a FIFA award that includes internationals. It might get given when the Ballon d'Or gets awarded. A woman got nominated for her goal in the women's World Cup.
I don't know if the same factors apply to the Premier League. It might just be a simple poll voted by people, in which case by the time it's being voted for, all that'll matter is the quality of the goal. |
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![]() Really ? I posted a few months ago about " Chris Smalling " I said hes not Man utd class for a C/H ............ I was blasted from about 5/6 posters on this thread ![]() ![]() I read a post I think it was yesterday might be wrong, but the poster was saying the same , how times have changed * On another note * Hope C7 & Joey B * get another chance to get back on this thread, There is an old poster back on the LBC thread As for old ex posters, it will be nice to start afresh with them once again, and get some more, different viewpoints. |
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It's not the form of Jones that's the problem though without wanting to put the mockers on it.
What I will say from what I've seen of Jones during this run of games, is that he hasn't thrown himself into stupid challenges and has rarely been caught out of position where he's had to put himself into danger. This partnership with Rojo is looking like it says on the tin a partnership, and both are showing us the quality they have. It may not have been the partnership we expected or wanted during the summer or before, but it's working. So much so, that if it carries on I think both of them may come off the journo's list of perennial leavers. |
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