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Old 30-12-2016, 10:18
T.K. Mazin
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For me Martial hasn't played well since the stories of his marital problems became public, which was the start of this year. We saw glimpses in games, but it was never consistent as it had been when he first arrived.

As for "unfavourite player" I wasn't referring to Rooney, that's a different discussion. If Martial is playing out wide and Memphis and Rashford have been asked to fill that slot at times as well the other one who plays that role and is the current incumbent is Lingard, who no one seems to like. He's shown more form than Rash, Memphis or Martial this season, and if he wasn't performing the manager wouldn't play him.
His personal life probably has caused him some problems on the pitch. But for me, his form wasn't a real issue until this season. I thought he was still performing reasonably well in the second half of last season and overall had a good first season at United. This season he's been pretty anonymous in comparison. I do also think Martial is struggling to adapt to Mourinho's non-possession style of play as Jose suggested recently.

I would like to see us play Martial as a striker again, like in his early days, when Zlatan is on a rest day or absent. I'm not sure that we can get the very best out of him on the left-wing.

Oh okay. I actually agree about Lingard. I like him a lot. He's not a natural goalscorer like some of the others, but I think he's a good team player who links up well with the players around him and, yes he makes mistakes, but he's effective and as you said the manager is playing him for a reason. He wouldn't be in my ideal lineup, but on current form I would put him in over the players you mentioned.
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Old 30-12-2016, 10:19
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Well spotted, virtually all of the 29th gone, does that mean NYE is now on Sunday
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Old 30-12-2016, 15:17
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Mourinho claims that we haven't received an acceptable offer for Schneiderlin, or anyone else.

Looks like we're holding out for a realistic fee for him. No pressure to sell, obviously.
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Old 30-12-2016, 15:32
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Mourinho claims that we haven't received an acceptable offer for Schneiderlin, or anyone else.

Looks like we're holding out for a realistic fee for him. No pressure to sell, obviously.
Yeah I saw the press conference, and it was a very clear message that he was sending, with the way he said his answer to the question about aby possible players being sold.

If we are going to sell players than for a change, it will be on our terms, and we will be trying to get asgard a deal as possible for them, which is good to hear, as in the past, all that we were seemingly bothered about was getting high earners off of the wage list as fast as possible, and any fee, was kind of inconsequential.
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Old 30-12-2016, 15:35
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Martial has looked as potent as Rooney all year. As per Rooney (for most on here), Martial's form hasn't improved either, he's still a shadow of the player we had till February of this year. I'm not sure what some people saw in his cameo against Sunderland, as I saw nothing to suggest he was back on form. Jose gave Rashford a slew of subs appearances after trying Memphis, and now it's Martial's turn. If he doesn't get going then it's back to Rashford or someone else. In the mean time everyone's unfavourite player can continue to play for me, he's shown more form than any of the 3 above.
Rooney has been given far more opportunities to get back into form and there is no real suggestion that his form bar the odd few games is on the up.

We know what Martial is capable of because last season he saved our asses when Rooney didn't.

Also factor in the age, Martial has time on his side and should be given the opportunity to rediscover his form from last season. Dont know about anyone else but I'd much rather see Martials name in the starting 11 rather than Rooney's!
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Old 30-12-2016, 15:43
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He's ruled out any loans as well, barring Johnstone.

Makes you wonder where that leaves Depay. Out on his arse would appear the most likely outcome.
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Old 30-12-2016, 15:49
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He's ruled out any loans as well, barring Johnstone.

Makes you wonder where that leaves Depay. Out on his arse would appear the most likely outcome.
Presumably we are refusing to sell cheap as we have done in the past. Not sure what either are on wages wise but I doubt it's too ridiculous that we can't shift them. There does seem to be some interest from different clubs for the pair of them.
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Old 30-12-2016, 16:37
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He's ruled out any loans as well, barring Johnstone.

Makes you wonder where that leaves Depay. Out on his arse would appear the most likely outcome.
Presumably we are only looking for a permanent deal for Memphis, same for Schneiderlin, and Schwrinsteiger (and with his wife's retirement announcement yesterday, I do think him leaving becomes more and more obvious).
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Old 30-12-2016, 16:54
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Presumably we are refusing to sell cheap as we have done in the past. Not sure what either are on wages wise but I doubt it's too ridiculous that we can't shift them. There does seem to be some interest from different clubs for the pair of them.
I'd imagine that anything close to £20m would be enough to see Schneiderlin gone. No idea what we'd be looking for to shift Depay, but somewhere around the same price wouldn't seem unreasonable.

Shame, really. I think that they could both be solid players for us, if given a decent run in the side, but that's obviously not going to happen.

Presumably we are only looking for a permanent deal for Memphis, same for Schneiderlin, and Schwrinsteiger (and with his wife's retirement announcement yesterday, I do think him leaving becomes more and more obvious).
What are you on about? I highly doubt that his wife's retirement has anything to do with Schweinsteiger's situation. He's already said that he has no plans to retire, so he'll still be playing for someone.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:19
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I'd imagine that anything close to £20m would be enough to see Schneiderlin gone. No idea what we'd be looking for to shift Depay, but somewhere around the same price wouldn't seem unreasonable.

Shame, really. I think that they could both be solid players for us, if given a decent run in the side, but that's obviously not going to happen.



What are you on about? I highly doubt that his wife's retirement has anything to do with Schweinsteiger's situation. He's already said that he has no plans to retire, so he'll still be playing for someone.
Talk of a £40 million combined bid for both Memphis and Schneiderlin from Everton, which if true, would value both at £20 million, which would seem about right I think.

I will personally be sad to see the young(ish) Dutchman leave, as I do think he has a fair amount of untapped potential that we have yet to see fully develop here with us.

In regards to the Schweinsteigers, and her announcement, I think it might have something to do with them possibly wanting to start a family, and America would be a good place to do so, and with a fair few MLS clubs interested in him (apparently), I think her announcement, just starts the move of that in earnest.
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Old 30-12-2016, 18:37
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He's ruled out any loans as well, barring Johnstone.

Makes you wonder where that leaves Depay. Out on his arse would appear the most likely outcome.
A shame really as I thought Depay would come through the tough start and start blossoming into a top player. But in truth, he simply has given no real indication that he's improving.

I'm sure Mourinho will play him in some of the EFL Cup and FA Cup matches. Hopefully Depay can take his chances. I know there's a good player in there somewhere.
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Old 30-12-2016, 19:40
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Schweinsteiger is in the squad for Boro, seems Carrick is not though
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Old 30-12-2016, 21:11
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Talk of a £40 million combined bid for both Memphis and Schneiderlin from Everton, which if true, would value both at £20 million, which would seem about right I think.

I will personally be sad to see the young(ish) Dutchman leave, as I do think he has a fair amount of untapped potential that we have yet to see fully develop here with us.

In regards to the Schweinsteigers, and her announcement, I think it might have something to do with them possibly wanting to start a family, and America would be a good place to do so, and with a fair few MLS clubs interested in him (apparently), I think her announcement, just starts the move of that in earnest.
Schweinsteiger will retire at United and if anything his wife's retirement will just lead to Bastian calling it a day at the end of this season rather than the next. Mourinho wants him to stay, Bastian despite not playing has been nothing but respectful and been helping out in training sessions. Word from Munich suggests Bastian is staying and isnt that keen on MSL.

He'll end up playing a few matches, especially when Carrick is not in the team (cant be relying on Fellaini). In the end, if he does well Mourinho may be convinced to play him more. Just look at Carrick and how Mourinho recognised he made the wrong call.

As a whole this is what all players (no matter their past) should be doing every day, convincing Mourinho to play them, not through merit or seem god given right. For example, Martial can complain all he likes, he can have his agent to complain all he likes but I only care for how they talk on the pitch getting the results.
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:13
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Sorry I meant if Depay doesn't leave in January, he might get some games. Probably wishful thinking on my part but this Mourinho quote gives me some hope.

Asked about Depay, Mourinho said: "When I have the feeling and the information that the player probably has a big chance to leave, I have to care more about the others.

"If he's going to be my player until the end of the season I will help him and he will be useful for us."
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Old 30-12-2016, 23:55
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Basically it seems that Depay told Mourinho he wanted to leave and that an offer would be made to sign him in January, hence him not being involved recently for the reasons given in the post above. As yet, however, there's been no offer, according to Mourinho.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:01
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Basically it seems that Depay told Mourinho he wanted to leave and that an offer would be made to sign him in January, hence him not being involved recently for the reasons given in the post above. As yet, however, there's been no offer, according to Mourinho.
Has there been no offer, or no offer which matches our valuation of him, as the two are very different, from the press conference that I watched earlier, it did seem to be more of the latter then the former possibly.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:04
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I'd give Depay away, at this point.

He's obviously got talent, but he makes Nani look like an intelligent player. I'd hoped that he'd knuckle down and learn his trade, but it would appear that it hasn't happened.

He's had about two decent games for us. Take what we can get, and move on.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:21
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I'd give Depay away, at this point.

He's obviously got talent, but he makes Nani look like an intelligent player. I'd hoped that he'd knuckle down and learn his trade, but it would appear that it hasn't happened.

He's had about two decent games for us. Take what we can get, and move on.
Splutters out cheap prosecco in laughter. Surely a late contender for Jewels' quote of the year.

Okay, I'm just going to say this but I am totally loving Jose at United...(yeah, I know - anti-jinx and all that). I've always been a fan and I think his total siege mentality is made for us.

And Ibra...the second best thing ever from Sweden.... I'll leave you to argue amongst yourselves as to what the best is/was....
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:29
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Splutters out cheap prosecco in laughter. Surely a late contender for Jewels' quote of the year.

Okay, I'm just going to say this but I am totally loving Jose at United...(yeah, I know - anti-jinx and all that). I've always been a fan and I think his total siege mentality is made for us.

And Ibra...the second best thing ever from Sweden.... I'll leave you to argue amongst yourselves as to what the best is/was....
Larrson on loan bring the first?!

Poor man's Nani is just an insult......to Nani, but there is still a player in there somewhere, his next club might find that out, as it does seem his time with us is fast coming to an end.

As for José and his time with us, it may only be the beginning, but so far I haven't enjoyed watching us this much in years, he is certainly banishing the past few managers to the box marked "irrelevant nonsense".
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:45
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It's a full box.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:48
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I'd give Depay away, at this point.

He's obviously got talent, but he makes Nani look like an intelligent player. I'd hoped that he'd knuckle down and learn his trade, but it would appear that it hasn't happened.

He's had about two decent games for us. Take what we can get, and move on.
Can't think of what we could possibly get for him. Clearly a bit of a d*** who hasn't even put in the effort to succeed at a club like United. Who'd touch him?

I'd be surprised if he stayed in England. Probably disappear back to Holland.
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Old 31-12-2016, 00:55
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It's a full box.
Okay, now I'm hoping that you're definition of that phrase means something different to the one that I know....
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:05
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Okay, now I'm hoping that you're definition of that phrase means something different to the one that I know....
I don't get it.
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:07
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Can't think of what we could possibly get for him. Clearly a bit of a d*** who hasn't even put in the effort to succeed at a club like United. Who'd touch him?

I'd be surprised if he stayed in England. Probably disappear back to Holland.
I can see there being some interest from other English clubs, plus if he went to a team from a less financially well off league, then we might still have to pay a portion of his wages.

Can we not get a Chinese club interested in him, they might pay us £60 million plus for him!
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Old 31-12-2016, 01:14
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Google is your friend Bomo. Did you bring Soundy back with you?
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