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Old 08-03-2016, 10:37
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Europa League is a means to an end. Nothing more. It isn't a 'prize' in itself, or shouldn't be for a club like Manchester United.
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:40
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QUOTE=DoctorMuff;81759638]Europa League is a means to an end. Nothing more. It isn't a 'prize' in itself, or shouldn't be for a club like Manchester United.[/quote]

For LVG it is, it's probably the only thing keeping him in a job at the minute.
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Old 08-03-2016, 13:23
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Europa League is a means to an end. Nothing more. It isn't a 'prize' in itself, or shouldn't be for a club like Manchester United.
Normally you'd be right but it's against Liverpool. Denying them a chance of a trophy is always important.
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Old 08-03-2016, 13:47
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Europa League is a means to an end. Nothing more. It isn't a 'prize' in itself, or shouldn't be for a club like Manchester United.
As I have said before, it's trophy we've never won, all our peers around Europe have won it, and most have the full collection of European trophies. It may not be a competition we aim to play in every year, but when we are in it, it should be as important as the any other competition we play in.
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Old 08-03-2016, 13:57
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As I have said before, it's trophy we've never won, all our peers around Europe have won it, and most have the full collection of European trophies. It may not be a competition we aim to play in every year, but when we are in it, it should be as important as the any other competition we play in.
But not all the competitions we play in are equal to begin with so that's a flawed premise.
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Old 08-03-2016, 14:40
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Normally you'd be right but it's against Liverpool. Denying them a chance of a trophy is always important.
Exceptionally important! They'd be able to crow about doing better than us this season... unthinkable!!!
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Old 08-03-2016, 15:24
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i just noticed batdude hasn't been online today. Hope the illness hasn't beaten you batdude!!
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Old 08-03-2016, 15:28
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Old 08-03-2016, 16:39
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Europa League is a means to an end. Nothing more. It isn't a 'prize' in itself, or shouldn't be for a club like Manchester United.
Agreed.

I wouldn't mind if we'd been in the competition from the start, but I just hate it when teams that aren't good enough for the CL are dropped into a second rate Euro competition & given another undeserved bite of the cherry.

Any team that isn't good enough to stay in the competition they started in should be out of Europe all together.
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Old 08-03-2016, 17:45
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Agreed.

I wouldn't mind if we'd been in the competition from the start, but I just hate it when teams that aren't good enough for the CL are dropped into a second rate Euro competition & given another undeserved bite of the cherry.

Any team that isn't good enough to stay in the competition they started in should be out of Europe all together.
I'd agree - winning it after falling out of the CL would feel fraudulent. However, those stating it's not a valid prize just because it's not the CL even if not dropping out of the CL come across as arrogant and/or ignorant - I would suggest the 1991 Cup Winners Cup win was mightily important in re-establishhng United as a European force and laying some foundations for the domination that followed. The competition has its faults but, once in it, it's most definitely worth winning (irrespective of the CL carrot).
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Old 09-03-2016, 12:28
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I don't understand the arrogant approach some people take towards the Europa League. It might be the secondary competition to the Champions League but it is still a respectable competition in its own right.

We aren't inherently 'above' anything as a club and even if it didn't provide Champions League qualification, I'd want us to try and win it. The first major trophy post-Ferguson will be important for the club and the players - if only to get the monkey off their backs.
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Old 09-03-2016, 12:37
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I don't understand the arrogant approach some people take towards the Europa League. It might be the secondary competition to the Champions League but it is still a respectable competition in its own right.

We aren't inherently 'above' anything as a club and even if it didn't provide Champions League qualification, I'd want us to try and win it. The first major trophy post-Ferguson will be important for the club and the players - if only to get the monkey off their backs.
well said
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Old 09-03-2016, 13:44
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I don't understand the arrogant approach some people take towards the Europa League. It might be the secondary competition to the Champions League but it is still a respectable competition in its own right.

We aren't inherently 'above' anything as a club and even if it didn't provide Champions League qualification, I'd want us to try and win it. The first major trophy post-Ferguson will be important for the club and the players - if only to get the monkey off their backs.
I agree but it's not going to happen with our current manager in charge anyway.
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Old 09-03-2016, 14:13
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I'd agree - winning it after falling out of the CL would feel fraudulent.
But it's no more fraudulent than winning the Champions League having finished a poor 4th., or even 2nd. or 3rd., in your domestic league. The Champions League these days is no more than the top teams league, they may as well just lump it all together and allow the top 6 in to the Europa, scrapping the "non-champions + the odd champion" league.
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Old 09-03-2016, 17:41
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But it's no more fraudulent than winning the Champions League having finished a poor 4th., or even 2nd. or 3rd., in your domestic league. The Champions League these days is no more than the top teams league, they may as well just lump it all together and allow the top 6 in to the Europa, scrapping the "non-champions + the odd champion" league.
The name 'Champions League' is just a moniker, as we all know it's really a European Super League in all but name.

Teams coming 4th in their league & winning the CL would not feel fraudulent because that said team would have qualified for the CL & would have been in the competition from the start.

The Europa League cops a lot of flak already & UEFA are just devaluing it even more by allowing CL failures to drop into it.

The Europa League should be for teams that have qualified for it on merit, although, I must admit, if we won it, I wouldn't complain about us winning it, but I do believe UEFA should stop allowing failed CL teams to participate in it during the later stages.
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Old 09-03-2016, 17:44
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Right now I would take a win at anything. Even a PL game! I am away for a few days from tomorrow with no TV access and by the time I get back we could be effectively out of everything. I would just like this season over and done with and have a fresh start, but then we said that last year.....
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Old 09-03-2016, 17:59
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I don't give the Europa League a second thought and won't, except in the unlikely event of this team winning it's way to the final. This isn't "arrogance", I simply don't believe the team is good enough to do it.

However, they are good enough to beat Liverpool and short term gratification wouldn't go amiss, in the present circumstances,
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Old 09-03-2016, 18:14
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Don't know if anyone has watched the pre match press conference but he was doing a Moyes with some of the stuff he came out with.

Living in the past my arse!
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Old 09-03-2016, 18:16
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The name 'Champions League' is just a moniker, as we all know it's really a European Super League in all but name.

Teams coming 4th in their league & winning the CL would not feel fraudulent because that said team would have qualified for the CL & would have been in the competition from the start.

The Europa League cops a lot of flak already & UEFA are just devaluing it even more by allowing CL failures to drop into it.

The Europa League should be for teams that have qualified for it on merit, although, I must admit, if we won it, I wouldn't complain about us winning it, but I do believe UEFA should stop allowing failed CL teams to participate in it during the later stages.
100% this. In fact, teams that finish 2nd to 4th and win the CL deserve more credit under the current revised seeding system as they'd invariably have to beat some very good sides to win it.
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Old 09-03-2016, 18:28
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Interesting article in today's Mirror. According to them LVG is almost certainly staying and completing his 3 year contract regardless of what happens during the rest of the season. So no top 4, he's still staying. No Europa League or FA Cup trophy, he's still staying.

Apparently the board isn't united on hiring Mourinho and they see are no more viable candidates out there, so it's the original plan of Van Gaal for 3 years and then Giggs takes over. Sounds like bullcrap to me but we'll see.
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Old 09-03-2016, 18:46
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Interesting article in today's Mirror. According to them LVG is almost certainly staying and completing his 3 year contract regardless of what happens during the rest of the season. So no top 4, he's still staying. No Europa League or FA Cup trophy, he's still staying.

Apparently the board isn't united on hiring Mourinho and they see are no more viable candidates out there, so it's the original plan of Van Gaal for 3 years and then Giggs takes over. Sounds like bullcrap to me but we'll see.
If that's true then our board have been replaced by single cell amoebas.
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Old 09-03-2016, 19:11
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Interesting article in today's Mirror. According to them LVG is almost certainly staying and completing his 3 year contract regardless of what happens during the rest of the season. So no top 4, he's still staying. No Europa League or FA Cup trophy, he's still staying.

Apparently the board isn't united on hiring Mourinho and they see are no more viable candidates out there, so it's the original plan of Van Gaal for 3 years and then Giggs takes over. Sounds like bullcrap to me but we'll see.
It's called the Sir Bobby Effect. Can't see Mourinho getting anywhere near the club until that esteemed gentleman has no influence at the club. And there may be others.

With the high turnaround of managers elsewhere, though, I can see this stance changing if the right man becomes available and LVG fails to change his spots.
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Old 09-03-2016, 19:35
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It's called the Sir Bobby Effect. Can't see Mourinho getting anywhere near the club until that esteemed gentleman has no influence at the club. And there may be others.

With the high turnaround of managers elsewhere, though, I can see this stance changing if the right man becomes available and LVG fails to change his spots.
Spot on.

Sir Bobby has no time for Jose Mourinho & he is our biggest grandee & he wields a lot of power.
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Old 09-03-2016, 19:58
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Meh papers like the mirror are the same papers that run Mourinho to United is done stories. Some decently respected European sources still maintain Mourinho to United is happening.

The other thing is if Van Gaal was staying regardless of getting top four why have the club not offered a single public backing for months, not a single word on Mourinho talks yet were out like a shot to deny meeting Guardiola.

I have no doubt there is truth in the Charlton/Ferguson don't want Mourinho but Woodward and co. also know what the majority of fans want.
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Old 09-03-2016, 20:19
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Meh papers like the mirror are the same papers that run Mourinho to United is done stories. Some decently respected European sources still maintain Mourinho to United is happening.

The other thing is if Van Gaal was staying regardless of getting top four why have the club not offered a single public backing for months, not a single word on Mourinho talks yet were out like a shot to deny meeting Guardiola.

I have no doubt there is truth in the Charlton/Ferguson don't want Mourinho but Woodward and co. also know what the majority of fans want.
It was like when Jose was in Milan and there were suggestions that he was going to Manchester from the sister of an influential ex Inter man and then loads of pro Giggs for manager reports came out in the press shortly after.

Most of these anti Jose rumours seem to be coming from the same place, The Daily Mirror being one of them.

I think we'll be lucky to get fifth when you consider who we still have to play and our abysmal away form. He can't survive that kind of slip in standards surely?
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