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Old 21-03-2016, 12:18
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Logged into my Yahoo last night and it said Mourinho has signed a 15 million pre contract agreement.
Cant find it now
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Old 21-03-2016, 15:46
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I think the temptation would be there for the board in the hope next season will be better as they've been very reluctant to sack him. The FA Cup could be the decider, if they got 4th and won the FA Cup I think he would stay, 4th on it's own though I'm not so sure. Personally I think it would be a huge mistake if United kept him on.
They could justifiably replace LVG with Mourinho on the grounds that he wouldn't be available next year, whatever the footballing situation at the end of the season. If he wins the Cup and gets 4th, he'd go out with head held high and that would suit the club, especially Woodward.

Logged into my Yahoo last night and it said Mourinho has signed a 15 million pre contract agreement.
Cant find it now
That would be a logical move and would undoubtedly include a gagging clause, thus preventing a City-style muck-up (and a right mess of things they have made).
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Old 21-03-2016, 15:52
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That would be a logical move and would undoubtedly include a gagging clause, thus preventing a City-style muck-up (and a right mess of things they have made).
That pre-contract thing is the least logical move since Charlton said "That Moyes fellow looks a good manager....."
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Old 21-03-2016, 15:54
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Being the team who decides who wins the league, is sure as heck not as much fun as being the team that actually wins it!

As for players coming back, when or if Rooney comes back before the season finishes, what do we do with him, as it does seem as if Rashford has formed a good partnership with Martial.
Will Rooney just go automatically into the starting eleven?
I am guessing as a favourite player of LvG, then he will, but it would be a bit of a shame to see Rashford dropped.

Also, does anyone think Shaw will play any part in the run in?
What are your opinions?
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Old 21-03-2016, 15:55
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That pre-contract thing is the least logical move since Charlton said "That Moyes fellow looks a good manager....."
Why ?
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Old 21-03-2016, 16:02
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It cant be true. Why do we need a pre-contract? What would happen to make us change our mind? We either want the guy or we don't, I fail to see the scenario where we want him enough to offer him the job but are unsure enough to only have a pre-contract, yet its a precontract that would cost us Ł15m to break.

It makes no sense to me at all.
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Old 21-03-2016, 16:07
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It cant be true. Why do we need a pre-contract? What would happen to make us change our mind? We either want the guy or we don't, I fail to see the scenario where we want him enough to offer him the job but are unsure enough to only have a pre-contract, yet its a precontract that would cost us Ł15m to break.

It makes no sense to me at all.
Presumably to allow for a more dignified summer changeover without any of the morass that city have gotten themselves into, as it would contain gagging clauses. There's probably been a boardroom battle over him anyway so this would also buy time. Keeps United's options open, if it actually exists.
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Old 21-03-2016, 16:22
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Presumably to allow for a more dignified summer changeover without any of the morass that city have gotten themselves into, as it would contain gagging clauses. There's probably been a boardroom battle over him anyway so this would also buy time. Keeps United's options open, if it actually exists.
But how does it keep our options open if we have to pay Ł15m to not take him now? Surly we would make the decision and then offer him the deal? To me it would be nuts to say "We want you to be our next manager but actually we haven't properly decided yet so here, have Ł15m if when we actually do discuss it we don't really want you after all"!!!
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Old 21-03-2016, 17:04
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But how does it keep our options open if we have to pay Ł15m to not take him now? Surly we would make the decision and then offer him the deal? To me it would be nuts to say "We want you to be our next manager but actually we haven't properly decided yet so here, have Ł15m if when we actually do discuss it we don't really want you after all"!!!
The report from Spain claims that it's Ł5M if no contract by May 1st and an extra Ł10m if no contract by June 1st.

I assume that it would be a case of "we want you as our manager at the end of the season but insist on a dignified changeover as we are not Man City - and there's the small matter of Carneiro to sort out!" (!).

Mourinho replies: "fair enough, he gave me my chance at RM after all, but I'm losing money by waiting, I have offers!"

Woodward: "OK, howz about a pre-contract contract? Ł5m, a gagging clause and subject to a Carneiro settlement?"

Mourinho: Ł5m increasing to Ł15M after another month!"

Woody: "Deal!" [thinks... "not looking forward to tomorrow's meetng with Bobby! ] "

Or not.
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Old 21-03-2016, 17:29
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Great result yesterday and a solid performance too. Even Schneiderlin played OK (about bleedin' time LOL). The team still requires a more solid anchor though, IMO. Rashford looks like a natural, orthodox number 9 and with each game he plays there, he makes more of a mockery of LvG's decision to play him out of position at Anfield. Now if only he and Martial could be joined by Kane.

Not to mention a quality CB.

Well, I can but dream....

I ask this in almost complete ignorance, but if the club had signed a pre-contract for the amount of let's say Ł15m, would they have to inform the NYSE?
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Old 21-03-2016, 18:01
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Great result yesterday and a solid performance too. Even Schneiderlin played OK (about bleedin' time LOL). The team still requires a more solid anchor though, IMO. Rashford looks like a natural, orthodox number 9 and with each game he plays there, he makes more of a mockery of LvG's decision to play him out of position at Anfield. Now if only he and Martial could be joined by Kane.

Not to mention a quality CB.

Well, I can but dream....

I ask this in almost complete ignorance, but if the club had signed a pre-contract for the amount of let's say Ł15m, would they have to inform the NYSE?
Its ALWAYS mentioned but in all honesty Ive not ever noticed the club inform the NYSE of anything as a means of it becoming public knowledge.
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Old 21-03-2016, 18:13
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Its ALWAYS mentioned but in all honesty Ive not ever noticed the club inform the NYSE of anything as a means of it becoming public knowledge.
OK, thanks for answering
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Old 21-03-2016, 18:31
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Logged into my Yahoo last night and it said Mourinho has signed a 15 million pre contract agreement.
Cant find it now
This was probably it http://news.yahoo.com/mourinho-signs...5165--sow.html

AFP are one of the best news agencies in the world, but I'm not persuaded by this story, perhaps because it is from El Pais whose source is, it seems, exclusively "Gestifute, the agency company owned by Mourinho's representative Jorge Mendes...."
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Old 22-03-2016, 00:27
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Logged into my Yahoo last night and it said Mourinho has signed a 15 million pre contract agreement.
Cant find it now
This was probably it http://news.yahoo.com/mourinho-signs...5165--sow.html

AFP are one of the best news agencies in the world, but I'm not persuaded by this story, perhaps because it is from El Pais whose source is, it seems, exclusively "Gestifute, the agency company owned by Mourinho's representative Jorge Mendes...."
Many thanks. Thought I was going made and seeing things. It disappeared 10 mins after I read it.
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Old 22-03-2016, 18:25
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Over in the Liverpool thread, I did a little assessment of the squad, and who I think should leave and so on, figured I'd give it a go here too with the United squad.

De Gea/Romero have the goalkeeper positions sewn up. Johnstone is there as and when needed also.

Right back in Darmian and Varela, that position is safe for a number of years.

Left back. Shaw, Borthwick-Johnson, Rojo also have that position sewn up.

Centre back: Smalling, Jones, Blind and Rojo are all suitable options here. If I was United I'd move Blind to replace Carrick, and buy two central defenders. You need a Vidic style centreback.

Defensive midfield: Blind and Schweinsteiger have the ability and experience to be very effective in this position...but they need protection. Players with pace can run off them, and they also need time on the ball to be at their creative best.

Centre Midfield. This is where your problems, for me lie. Herrerra should be a standout player.. I think he'd do well under another manager.
Fellaini gets a lot of stick, but he's energetic, he gets stuck in, and he wins the ball back. Defensively, he's good in the air, and that's a plus going forward too.

Schneiderlin I think is also a very good player suffering under the current 'philosophy'

You need a central midfielder. A Strootman style player or even Wanyama. Someone with a strong physical presence, but also an ability with the ball.

Wingers: Depay has bags of potential, I think we'll see more from him in his second season. Lingaard has shown enough to be given a chance in the squad too.

Mata and Rooney haven't been at their best this season, and Rooney has suffered with injuries, but quality shines through and there aren't many better in their position in this league.

Martial/Rashford have shown that they have the ability to play at this level. Still you need another striker, someone with experience like a Mandzukic..

Valencia I'd finally sell. And bring in two new wingers for the right hand side.

So I'd have you sign two right wingers, two centre backs, a striker and a centre midfielder.

I'd only bin off Valencia.

I don't think your squad is as bad as this season has shown. Injuries haven't helped. I'd potentially move on Fellaini too, to raise funds.
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Old 22-03-2016, 18:37
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Excellent assessment Sebastian. A bit busy tonight but I will respond and do mine as soon as I get a chance.
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Old 22-03-2016, 19:09
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I'd be unsure of bringing in/letting go too many players. Part of our troubles has been the wide scale changes we've made over the past season or two. If we can limit it to 3 in and maybe 3/4 out, that would be sensible business.

I think we most desperately need a striker, another winger (as others have said, essentially two players to replace Falcao/Di Maria) and a central defender. There is an argument that we could also do with another central midfielder, especially if Carrick moves on, but I think Blind could be moved forward if a defender came in. Really it depends on who is available. If Kroos is up for grabs, we'd be silly not to go for him but I don't think the position is absolutely critical. It's more a case of wanting to see a hell of a lot more from the ones we currently have next season.

Who we sell largely depends on the formation we intend to play. I've always found Herrera and Mata being in the same squad a bit jarring, I'm not sure Jose would keep them both and the latter would be most likely to be moved on. Carrick will almost certainly go and I wouldn't be surprised to see Fellaini make way either. Valencia and Young are also candidates for the push, although the latters versatility might keep him in a job at OT.

Finally, and perhaps most controversially, I wouldn't shed a tear if Jones was moved on. He's always had age on his side but he'll turn 25 next season and the guy has barely played more than a couple of games in a row without getting injured. I know it's harsh as it's not his fault, but I'd rather us cut our losses than just let him kick around for another few seasons like we did with J Evans. When he has been fit, I don't think he's really shown enough quality for us to invest so much time and patience in him.
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Old 22-03-2016, 19:19
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Forgot about Young, his versatility makes him worthwhile, but age isn't on his side..he is British though which helps...
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Old 22-03-2016, 19:53
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Totally agree about Jones. He is becoming Hargreaves with half the talent.

Carrick has been a fantastic servant, but he has now become a liability. Also agree that Blind is the natural replacement for his position and after his unselfish stint in central defence he deserves a shot.

Never been convinced with Young myself. Just not an effective winger for me. No real pace or ability to go past a man. I'd move him on.

I think we really need to look more at the formation. We generally play far too narrow and slowly. I also think one up top does us no favours.

We do need a new "explosive" player in midfield. It was such a tease having Di Maria for the first few games of last season before his form dipped - it really highlighted what we have been missing since Ronaldo left.

Our biggest signings in the summer though I think need to be a new TOP CB and if DDG is to leave we must secure another top GK asap. Would be happy with Lloris, Butland or Schmeichel, as far as PL goes.

I think the general concensus is that we do have a squad full of great players, and they could do better under different guidance.
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Old 22-03-2016, 21:57
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I'm not normally an advocate for a big turnover in the squad because it can sometimes do more harm than it does good, though I think it is necessary this summer. We failed to address a couple of key positions last summer and we could do with at least three more signings on top of that.

Valencia, Rojo, Carrick and Fellaini all need to go in my opinion. There's a few others like Jones, Januzaj, Mata, Young and Rooney who could go also but I think it'd be too disruptive to let them all go in one summer. I suspect Rooney will be safe if Mourinho comes in anyway.

We need a centre-half, a midfielder, a right winger (maybe two), a #10 and a striker. We could also use a right back and potentially a keeper, should de Gea leave.
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Old 22-03-2016, 21:59
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I don't see much need for a huge investment, this summer.

As others have summarised, we're pretty well covered, in most positions.

However, my changes would be:

Ins: A centre-half with experience and quality. A central midfielder, as Carrick/Schweinsteiger/Fellaini are all either past it, or not good enough for the position. Schneiderlin and Herrera are definitely worth keeping, but keeping all of the 3 aforementioned players is unnecessary, in my eyes.

A right-side attacker. And obviously a 'keeper, if De Gea goes.

Outs: Carrick/Schweinsteiger/Fellaini. Any two from those three.

Young and Valencia are 'meh' players. I don't really mind if they're kept around, but they're only squad players at best.

The big issue for me, is Rooney. I think that he's worth holding on to for another year or two, but ultimately, we'll need a new talisman.
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Old 22-03-2016, 22:19
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I think we need a new talisman, irrespective of whether Rooney stays or goes.

I would hope he'd be more effective under a new manager if we are creating more chances for him but I don't think he has the ability to win us games on his own. Mata has also been underwhelming and I don't think he possesses the creative qualities needed to be a regular starter in this team.
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Old 22-03-2016, 22:24
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I don't think that we have the right strikers at the club for Mata to thrive.

Rashford and Martial aren't making the right runs often enough, because of inexperience. Rooney isn't sharp enough to make the right runs often enough, due to being run into the ground from the age of 16.

We either be patient, and wait for the young lads to develop, or we accept that Mata just isn't right for us.

Or we buy another striker, I suppose.
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Old 22-03-2016, 22:35
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He'll probably get binned by Mourinho anyway, so I think replacing him would be the best way forward.

I'm not so sure it's entirely on the strikers though, Mata is often bullied off the ball by players with more physicality and doesn't seem to have the guile of a player like Özil or de Bruyne. It's a shame because he's an enjoyable player to watch on his day.
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Old 22-03-2016, 22:57
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He'll probably get binned by Mourinho anyway, so I think replacing him would be the best way forward.

I'm not so sure it's entirely on the strikers though, Mata is often bullied off the ball by players with more physicality and doesn't seem to have the guile of a player like Özil or de Bruyne. It's a shame because he's an enjoyable player to watch on his day.
If Mourinho comes in, then who knows what will happen, but I'd keep Mata. It's a body that we don't need to replace.

I agree that he's a bit too lightweight, but you can see that when he receives the ball, his first thought is 'anyone on?'

We don't have enough players like that. Carrick is the only other one, and age has dimmed his effectiveness.
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