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That isn't what you said though, is it?
You said that it would be 'hard' for the board to sack Van Gaal, if we qualified for the Champions League. I'm saying that it wouldn't be 'hard' at all. There wouldn't be huge outcry from the fans, presumably. It might make them less inclined to do it, but that's a different thing entirely. |
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It would be hard for the board, as he would present them with a reasonable case in which he could say that he deserves to stay, (not that I think he should), so it will be up to them to decide if qualifying for the Champions League outweighs all of the other negative aspects that have come with his managerial spell.
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It would be hard for the board, as he would present them with a reasonable case in which he could say that he deserves to stay, (not that I think he should), so it will be up to them to decide if qualifying for the Champions League outweighs all of the other negative aspects that have come with his managerial spell.
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If the board want rid, they'll get rid. It won't matter what 'reasonable case' Van Gaal puts forward.
It will be a huge call either way to keep him or not to, and then who to employ next. |
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It would be hard for the board, as he would present them with a reasonable case in which he could say that he deserves to stay, (not that I think he should), so it will be up to them to decide if qualifying for the Champions League outweighs all of the other negative aspects that have come with his managerial spell.
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Well let's see what happens, we will find out in a month or so I suppose.
It will be a huge call either way to keep him or not to, and then who to employ next. If they have decided to sack LVG they will be rooting for him and supporting him, hoping that he does as well as humanly possible by the end of the season - 3rd. or 4th. place with or without an FA Cup win would be a huge achievement after December's debacle, and would allow him to leave with dignity "by mutual agreement". If they have decided to keep him, finishing 5th and trophyless won't now change that IMO but they will be planning his succession already, albeit a year later. So I hope we can get a CL place and win the Cup as it won't at this late stage make any difference to the LVG succession, IMO. |
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What are they waiting for then? Make the announcement one way or another
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What are they waiting for then? Make the announcement one way or another
Its clear that they aren't doing anything until the summer and frankly there is little point doing anything now. Announcing he is leaving in the summer (if he is) serves no real useful purpose right now either. As for the previous comments, he isnt going to get an opportunity to plead his case to keep his job. If he's off he's off and that's it. |
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What are they waiting for then? Make the announcement one way or another
There's no need for them to announce anything, right now. EDIT: As above. |
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They'll already have decided what they are going to do, with whom and when. It would be crazy to wait until they find out what if any trophies we win and where we finish in the league.
If they have decided to sack LVG they will be rooting for him and supporting him, hoping that he does as well as humanly possible by the end of the season - 3rd. or 4th. place with or without an FA Cup win would be a huge achievement after December's debacle, and would allow him to leave with dignity "by mutual agreement". If they have decided to keep him, finishing 5th and trophyless won't now change that IMO but they will be planning his succession already, albeit a year later. So I hope we can get a CL place and win the Cup as it won't at this late stage make any difference to the LVG succession, IMO. Spot on. If he leaves it will be with a bit of dignity. If he is going Im pretty sure he knows it but Woodward has been giving him every opportunity to be fair. He is a big name with a big record who is in his last year in football and the whole "mutual consent" thing seems most likely now. In all honest at this stage im happy enough with that. Much as he hasn't worked and Ive wanted to tear my hair out with the guy half the time I have no problem with a dignified exit. All that changes if he ends up staying though!!! |
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Why?
There's no need for them to announce anything, right now. EDIT: As above. |
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Luke Shaw is back in training.
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...r-long-absence |
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All that changes if he ends up staying though!!!
Some of Ferguson's recent comments lend themselves to that way of thinking. Even if we finish 5th/6th, they may see it as another 'rebuilding' phase, and won't pull the trigger. Hope that I'm wrong, mind. |
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If he is going then that's fair enough, but if they have decided he's staying, and he has said he is happy to staystay, then wouldn't 8t be better to say so now to end the chatter?
If we were to lose all of our remaining games, for example, his position would then be untenable, and they'd look foolish for publically assuring him of another year. |
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They'll already have decided what they are going to do, with whom and when. It would be crazy to wait until they find out what if any trophies we win and where we finish in the league.
If they have decided to sack LVG they will be rooting for him and supporting him, hoping that he does as well as humanly possible by the end of the season - 3rd. or 4th. place with or without an FA Cup win would be a huge achievement after December's debacle, and would allow him to leave with dignity "by mutual agreement". If they have decided to keep him, finishing 5th and trophyless won't now change that IMO but they will be planning his succession already, albeit a year later. So I hope we can get a CL place and win the Cup as it won't at this late stage make any difference to the LVG succession, IMO. That is the only other comparable situation we have to go on, as Moyes' final season (or near full season) can be compared to this one in terms of performances and style of play not being good enough etc etc. It did seem that they were waiting to see if we did qualify or not for the Champions League before sacking him, once we did not, then he was gone, so it is justified to look at that and extrapolate an explanation as to why LvG is possibly still here as our manager. We are still in with a shout of making the Champions League, so the board have not pulled the trigger so to speak. If for example it all comes down to a last day shoot-out so to speak, as to who finishes fourth (which is not entirely unbelievable an option at this stage), and we miss out, then it will be a very easy decision for them to make. If however, we do reach fourth place, then it does put them in a small bit of a bind, as that is what they presumably ask of our managers at the start of each and every season. This will be a huge decision to make, to keep him or not to keep him, and then to appoint someone new (if it is not to be Giggs). Personally speaking, I think it would be best for us, if he did move on, and we brought in a new manager (not José). |
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I have a nagging feeling that the board will stubbornly stick to 'the plan'.
Some of Ferguson's recent comments lend themselves to that way of thinking. Even if we finish 5th/6th, they may see it as another 'rebuilding' phase, and won't pull the trigger. Hope that I'm wrong, mind. |
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Luke Shaw is back in training.
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...r-long-absence |
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If he is going then that's fair enough, but if they have decided he's staying, and he has said he is happy to stay, then wouldn't 8t be better to say so now to end the chatter?
Best just get this season out of the way, then make the announcement over if LvG is staying or not, and if not, who the new man will be then, rather than it disrupting our season, when we are still in contention for a Champions League spot, and perhaps the FA Cup as well. |
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If LvG does go, our end of season Player of the Year award night dinners won't be the same without his rambling speeches!
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If they have decided one way or the other, then why did they leave it so long to sack Moyes?
That is the only other comparable situation we have to go on, as Moyes' final season (or near full season) can be compared to this one in terms of performances and style of play not being good enough etc etc. It did seem that they were waiting to see if we did qualify or not for the Champions League before sacking him, once we did not, then he was gone, so it is justified to look at that and extrapolate an explanation as to why LvG is possibly still here as our manager. We are still in with a shout of making the Champions League, so the board have not pulled the trigger so to speak. If for example it all comes down to a last day shoot-out so to speak, as to who finishes fourth (which is not entirely unbelievable an option at this stage), and we miss out, then it will be a very easy decision for them to make. If however, we do reach fourth place, then it does put them in a small bit of a bind, as that is what they presumably ask of our managers at the start of each and every season. This will be a huge decision to make, to keep him or not to keep him, and then to appoint someone new (if it is not to be Giggs). Personally speaking, I think it would be best for us, if he did move on, and we brought in a new manager (not José). |
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That is good to read, I wonder when we will read something similar about either Jones or Young, as I cannot remember when they were last in contention for a first team game.
Also think I heard Jones is ahead of Shaw in his rehab. He'll probably break a nail and be out for another three months though. |
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You cant just look at Moyes and assume that's whats going to happen for every manager or that they all have the same set of requirements to remain in the job.
One of the main requirements you would think would be made apparent to any manager of ours, is that each and every season, we should be finishing in the top four as a bare minimum, so in that sense the requirements for all managers are quite clear. Quote:
Young was in the last squad wasn't he?.
Also think I heard Jones is ahead of Shaw in his rehab. He'll probably break a nail and be out for another three months though. I do hope to see him back, most likely next season I would imagine now, if Young is that close to a return then that is good, as I quite like him.
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One of the main requirements you would think would be made apparent to any manager of ours, is that each and every season, we should be finishing in the top four as a bare minimum, so in that sense the requirements for all managers are quite clear.
If they're adamant that they want to continue with this 'plan' of Giggs picking up the reins, in a year's time, then they may decide to keep Van Gaal on, regardless of our final league position. Quote:
If he is not careful Jones could be turning into the next Hargreaves, or Saha, in terms of his injury record.
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You don't know that for sure. The board may look at the injury list as a mitigating circumstance, or the high turnover of players.
If they're adamant that they want to continue with this 'plan' of Giggs picking up the reins, in a year's time, then they may decide to keep Van Gaal on, regardless of our final league position. Why do you keep repeating this? All we have to go on is speculation, and to look at past decisions, (and the most recent one is Moyes) to try and come to a rational decision over what they might do this summer. As for Jones, do I keep saying that, if I do, fair enough, I won't mention that comparison again, and just hope that he gets over his injuries sooner rather than later. |
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Does anyone here know for sure what the board will do, or what they will use as a reason to keep him or not?
All we have to go on is speculation, and to look at past decisions, (and the most recent one is Moyes) to try and come to a rational decision over what they might do this summer. It wasn't just the results, or style of football. The majority of the fans had turned on him, he was a laughing stock in the press, he'd inherited a title-winning side (and alienated quite a few of them, allegedly), and seemingly couldn't attract/decide upon the players required to overhaul the squad. He also suffered for being the man who followed Ferguson. Expectations were much higher. Van Gaal has done a lot of the work that Moyes was hired to do. The board may well take that into consideration. |
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