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Old 04-04-2016, 17:36
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The Moyes situation was considerably different, so has no real bearing on what they might do with Van Gaal.

It wasn't just the results, or style of football.

The majority of the fans had turned on him, he was a laughing stock in the press, he'd inherited a title-winning side (and alienated quite a few of them, allegedly), and seemingly couldn't attract/decide upon the players required to overhaul the squad. He also suffered for being the man who followed Ferguson. Expectations were much higher.

Van Gaal has done a lot of the work that Moyes was hired to do. The board may well take that into consideration.
A sizable amount of fans have seemingly turned on LvG, and don't want to see him as our manager next season, so there is that which is in common, although yes we have not seen any banners flown by planes just yet granted (which was cringeworthy in the extreme, and I hated seeing that at the time).

I can understand the following in Sir Alex's footsteps thing, always better to be the person following the person who followed Sir Alex, as there is a bit more leeway, however small.

There are more plus points with LvG, than there were with Moyes, I think that can be said, so it will be an interesting decision that they will have to make come the end of this season (if of course they have not made it already, but have just not communicated it to the public at large).
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Old 04-04-2016, 17:59
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If they have decided one way or the other, then why did they leave it so long to sack Moyes?
We don't know for sure but they'd have decided on Moyes long before the announcement - but decided to announce it early because things became just too hot to handle, and/or there was an expected leak. Moyes's performance in the glare of publicity, that frightened rabbit in the headlights look, was a World away from LVG's steadfast defence of himself and his position. LVG is never going to crumble - kudos to him for that - but Moyes may have been rapidly melting down. Contract issues may also have been a factor regarding the exact timing, these things are not usually simple cases of it's this, or that.

All IMHO.
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Old 04-04-2016, 18:05
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We don't know for sure but they'd have decided on Moyes long before the announcement - but were forced to announce it early because things became just too hot to handle, and/or there was an expected leak. Moyes's performance in the glare of publicity, that frightened rabbit in the headlights look, was a World away from LVG's steadfast defence of himself and his position. LVG is never going to crumble - kudos to him for that - but Moyes may have been rapidly melting down. Contract issues may also have been a factor, these things are not usually simple cases of it's this, or that.

That's what I think, anyway.
Oh I agree that things are never simple, lots probably do go on that we will never know about.

A decision could already have been made for all that we know, and LvG might know, but might have been told to not release it to the public.

Whatever happens though, this summer will be a key one, in terms of making a decision over our manager.
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Old 05-04-2016, 11:29
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"Ashley Young played the full game at centre-forward as United's Under-21s drew 1-1 with Chelsea at Old Trafford in front of 9,257 fans. James Weir scored the Reds' second-half equaliser"


I know he'll have been playing for fitness, but no wonder our players haven't got a f**king clue about how they should be playing.
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Old 05-04-2016, 13:24
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"Ashley Young played the full game at centre-forward as United's Under-21s drew 1-1 with Chelsea at Old Trafford in front of 9,257 fans. James Weir scored the Reds' second-half equaliser"


I know he'll have been playing for fitness, but no wonder our players haven't got a f**king clue about how they should be playing.
To be fair, it was I think more about being really short on numbers in the striker position more than anything else.
With Rashford being with the first team now more than the Under 21's, it leaves us very short in that area at that level.

Fletcher being out on loan (congratulations to him and Barnsley by the way), same for Wilson at Brighton, and Powell at Hull, and Keane injured, there are not too many other options for us to use.

We could I suppose have used Mitchell there, as he was on the bench, but using Young there for a match was not the worst idea in the world, s he is experienced enough to try that role to get some match fitness in him.
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Old 05-04-2016, 14:00
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"Ashley Young played the full game at centre-forward as United's Under-21s drew 1-1 with Chelsea at Old Trafford in front of 9,257 fans. James Weir scored the Reds' second-half equaliser"


I know he'll have been playing for fitness, but no wonder our players haven't got a f**king clue about how they should be playing.
So if Young hadn't been there who would have played upfront? I presume they had another forward to step into Rashford's shoes now that he's practically a first teamer anyway.

I know Keane is injured, surely there is cover?
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Old 05-04-2016, 14:10
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So if Young hadn't been there who would have played upfront? I presume they had another forward to step into Rashford's shoes now that he's practically a first teamer anyway.

I know Keane is injured, surely there is cover?
Mitchell was on the bench, so he could have started up front in place of Young, but due to injuries and loans, we are terribly short for strikers at that level.

If we are to win that league, then we will be relying on our midfielders more than our strikers to score the goals in order to do so.
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Old 05-04-2016, 19:00
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One can only pray that LVG is relieved of his Duties in the summer. Quite frankly and as people have said on here before he should have been sacked November. Can you honestly imagine another year next year like this one. I mean the football is not the United way its Boring and when you have United greats like Schmichael saying that too. And to just add to the Mystery LVG will stay and be given £80 Million to spend, thats not forgetting the £250 million hes already spent.
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Old 05-04-2016, 20:33
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One can only pray that LVG is relieved of his Duties in the summer. Quite frankly and as people have said on here before he should have been sacked November. Can you honestly imagine another year next year like this one. I mean the football is not the United way its Boring and when you have United greats like Schmichael saying that too. And to just add to the Mystery LVG will stay and be given £80 Million to spend, thats not forgetting the £250 million hes already spent.
I wouldn't give him another penny.
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Old 05-04-2016, 20:39
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LVG will go in the summer and Jose will be brought in.

United's league position will have an influence on the perception of his reign, and his own personal pride. Nothing more.

Imo.
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Old 05-04-2016, 21:11
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LVG will go in the summer and Jose will be brought in.

United's league position will have an influence on the perception of his reign, and his own personal pride. Nothing more.

Imo.
I hope you're right.

I think I'd lose it if we had another season like this.
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Old 05-04-2016, 21:22
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LVG will go in the summer and Jose will be brought in.

United's league position will have an influence on the perception of his reign, and his own personal pride. Nothing more.

Imo.
On that basis he stays in you finish fourth again gone if any lower
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Old 05-04-2016, 21:28
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On that basis he stays in you finish fourth again gone if any lower
Next two games will be interesting.

Our away form is poor.
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Old 05-04-2016, 21:47
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I hope you're right.

I think I'd lose it if we had another season like this.
We certainly will need to up our game next season, as the rest of our rivals will not be as poor you would think, especially with the calibre of new managers coming into them.
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Old 05-04-2016, 21:48
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not forgetting the £250 million hes already spent.
I must admit, this gets on my wick.

He's rebuilt the squad, for the most part. That would cost any top club similar money.

And how much of that was money wasted? Di Maria, but then we only lost about £15m on him. Rojo? Perhaps. Depay? He's not been great so far, but he's still very young.

I agree that the football has been largely dismal, and that we've hugely under-achieved, but I don't agree that the money spent is that much of a big deal. Don't forget the amount of players that have been shipped out.
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Old 05-04-2016, 22:19
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I must admit, this gets on my wick.

He's rebuilt the squad, for the most part. That would cost any top club similar money.

And how much of that was money wasted? Di Maria, but then we only lost about £15m on him. Rojo? Perhaps. Depay? He's not been great so far, but he's still very young.

I agree that the football has been largely dismal, and that we've hugely under-achieved, but I don't agree that the money spent is that much of a big deal. Don't forget the amount of players that have been shipped out.
Di Maria was £60m of that £250m so thats down to £190m straight away and I agree with you that he has rebuilt the squad with that money.

Its been a waste of money in terms of what he has actually achieved given the outlay but for me not a waste at all in terms of the actual players brought in, that vast majority of which Ive been pleased with and would expect to see flourish if allowed to do so under a different manager.

A new man coming in will have a squad to build on rather than having to build a squad IMO.
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Old 05-04-2016, 22:20
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I agree with you Jim, you have to look further than just the headline figure, when it comes to our transfers, yes we have paid a lot under LvG, but it has been warranted, and we have got rid of a few high earners as well (Falcao, RvP, and Di Maria).
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Old 06-04-2016, 15:21
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Di Maria was £60m of that £250m so thats down to £190m straight away and I agree with you that he has rebuilt the squad with that money.

Its been a waste of money in terms of what he has actually achieved given the outlay but for me not a waste at all in terms of the actual players brought in, that vast majority of which Ive been pleased with and would expect to see flourish if allowed to do so under a different manager.

A new man coming in will have a squad to build on rather than having to build a squad IMO.

I fear any success that the next manager gets will be sounded out as van gaals work.
If the new manager fails then it would be van gaals fault .

Are we turning into Brendan Rodgers Liverpool haters?
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Old 06-04-2016, 21:39
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John Richardson has tweeted Mourinho isn't happening.
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Old 06-04-2016, 22:02
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John Richardson has tweeted Mourinho isn't happening.
Who's John Richardson?
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Old 06-04-2016, 22:04
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Who's John Richardson?
Made me think of the comedian Jon Richardson.

He's not a Man United fan though, and doubt he has inside knowledge.
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Old 06-04-2016, 22:08
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Made me think of the comedian Jon Richardson.

He's not a Man United fan though, and doubt he has inside knowledge.
Ha! Was thinking the same.

As I've said previously, the noises coming from certain people would suggest that they're hell-bent on keeping Van Gaal for another year, simply because they HAVE to go ahead with this ridiculous 'succession' plan, with Giggs.

Could set us back years. Much to your horror, I'm sure.
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Old 06-04-2016, 22:43
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John Richardson has tweeted Mourinho isn't happening.
Balague in a recent tweet reporting Jose's camp believe it is all but done. A lot of foreign sources going with the same.

When I used to watch MUTV Richardson was a regular on there, I believe he is a bit of a mouthpiece for Fergie.

I'll be glad when the season ends!
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Old 06-04-2016, 22:49
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Ha! Was thinking the same.

As I've said previously, the noises coming from certain people would suggest that they're hell-bent on keeping Van Gaal for another year, simply because they HAVE to go ahead with this ridiculous 'succession' plan, with Giggs.

Could set us back years. Much to your horror, I'm sure.
Yeah I won't lose sleep if LvG is still your manager come the start of next season. Except for when we play you, he seems to be able to handle us most of the time.

I really don't know what's going to happen. As I've said before whatever will happen will probably already have been decided by now. If LvG is going he's going to go, the end of the season will just dictate the manner in which he goes. They won't come out and back him in case it goes horribly wrong, and you won't want that "dreaded vote of confidence", and they won't come out and say he's leaving at the end of the season, a year before his contract's out, because, well, who does that? Unless he himself would be happy with such an arrangement that's not something you'd make public.
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Old 06-04-2016, 22:53
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Yeah I won't lose sleep if LvG is still your manager come the start of next season. Except for when we play you, he seems to be able to handle us most of the time.

I really don't know what's going to happen. As I've said before whatever will happen will probably already have been decided by now. If LvG is going he's going to go, the end of the season will just dictate the manner in which he goes. They won't come out and back him in case it goes horribly wrong, and you won't want that "dreaded vote of confidence", and they won't come out and say he's leaving at the end of the season, a year before his contract's out, because, well, who does that? Unless he himself would be happy with such an arrangement that's not something you'd make public.
I did see some quotes from Martial the other day, which indicated that Mourinho might be a possibility. He referenced him by name, and used the word 'if' a few times.

Gives me a glimmer of hope.

To be honest, I could just about tolerate another year of Van Gaal, if it didn't mean that the Giggs thing was almost certainly going to happen.
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