Isn't it amazing how often things get misinterpreted?

You'd be forgiven for thinking it was deliberate.

Indeed, I'd keep him on the fringes giving him 15 minutes here, 20 minutes there and the occasional cup game depending on the opposition and see where we are come Christmas and decide whether or not he's earned the chance to make the starting XI.

I think some forget he only broke into the team 5 minutes ago, it isn't as if he's spent a season in and around the place.

The bit in bold by mick, with respect couldn't be more wrong about myself, I don't reply to posts for the sake of things, I only post and reply when I think that I can contribute to the thread or forum in question, it is not "...schoolboy nonsense" at all.

I want us to do as well as possible, I want us to be up there with the very best teams in the world, but that should not come at a cost of not developing the youngsters that we have at our disposal, some like Rashford, or Mensah, that do have a lot of potential.
We need to be very careful not to stump their development, by bringing in players which would limit any possible appearances that they might need to aid this.

It surely is not a case of either try developing the better young players, and finish mid-table, or not play them, bring in big expensive players and finish amongst the very best, there is a bit of a middle ground to be had.

It would be nice if, just once, you tried reading other people's posts and consider what they have to say before automatically firing back exactly the same post that you've made a dozen times already.

I do consider other people's posts and opinions, before I post my own opinions, hopefully I don't repeat myself too often.

Even I have to laugh at the final part of that post Batdude!

Yeah, hence the "too often" part!

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My hope is that we're just keeping it professionally quiet (for a change!)

Seeing the likes of City and Chelsea announcing early - and with us in the position we are - it'd be wise not to say anything until the end of the season.

Or it could all be true, nothing is agreed and a lot of us will be crying into our season ticket and membership cards on the eve of the new season.

I still think that we have said to José that the job is his if we finish outside of the top four, and so with us still being in contention for such a position, he is just waiting to see where we end up, just like the rest of us.

As utd fan I regularly travel from n.ireland 2 old Trafford couple times a season. If lvg is in charge next season I am not going. Not buying any merchandise r renewing next seasons membership if lvg is still in charge next season. That includes a lot of utd fans I know from Ireland.

I don't blame you. The football is so poor. I still think we won't get rid of him unless we fail to get top 4 though. Like a rock and a hard place.

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Batdude, you just post for the sake of posting whether you have anything to say or not. Ive seen it time and time again. If thats what you want to do fine, its not breaking and rules (apart from being not constructive, but it does no real harm) but dont treat people like idiots and pretend you dont do it.

You continually missed the point of my last post but it doesn't matter because you obviously made up your mind that you wanted to do a "why not be positive?" speech and were going to say it regardless. Even when people corrected you you just did what you always do "But i do understand very well" and then go on to demonstrate that you dont.

My point was, that while you may want a manager to develop the young players there is nothing in it for him to do so. My Rashford example WASN'T me saying he would fail at all. I was saying that if the manager next season puts his faith in Rashford next season instead of a new striker and the team struggles NO ONE will say "oh well at least he brought the youngsters through". He will lose is job and people will say "Why didn't he buy a striker?". Bringing through young players is only ever seen as a good thing if you happen to unearth a gem. People dont make allowances for it.

If a manager is sitting down in the summer with money to spend, whilst a transfer is never guaranteed, he will feel he has a better chance of success by bringing in ready made players rather than waiting for young players to become the finished article.

If we buy Lukaku or Kane for next season and they dont score it will be the players fault and they will be branded flops.

If we dont buy a striker and play Rashford instead and he doesn't score it will be the managers fault for playing him and not buying an experienced player.

Thats the difference.

LvG was criticised for not buying a striker in Januaru or replacing Hernandez and RvP. Despite Rashford playing well it will still be remembered as a mistake and part of the reason he failed in his second season.

Once again, I oonly post when I feel that I have something to say, or that I think that I can make a contribution to a thread, be it in a serious discussion type way, or just joking if it calls for such a light-hearted moment, but there is usually a reason or a purpose to why I post, it is not just for the sake of it, let's just get that straight from the get go!

I do not treat people like idiots, I try to treat people with the very best intentions.


As for your point, it is up to anyone, a young player or an experienced high profile signing to show why they are in the team and to do well, so once they are on the pitch, the same rules apply regarding wanting a player to do well.

If a striker expensive or home grown doesn't score, then the player no matter who it is will have to take some of the blame, the manager doesn't get off if it is an experienced expensive signing, but gets the blame if he is a youngster, once you are on the pitch, and playing, the same rules apply no matter whom or what stage of your career you are at.
If you are in the team, it is generally because you are considered good enough to be so by the manager and coaching staff.

It is possible to develop young players whilst at the same time trying to do well in the league, it is all about balance, you don't play seven youngsters all at once, you blood one or two with the more experienced players, and do it that way.
This is what we have done for many a year previously, and has proved to be the best formula for success in that area, so I hope that it continues, as we have a few younger players that if we continue to help their development could negate the need to spend hundreds of millions of pounds on new transfers, and surely that would be a good thing all round?

Three strikers is not really enough for a big long campaign, playing in multiple competitions, and we kind of got lucky to find Rashford as our third striker behind Rooney and Martial.

We were at our best when we had four to select from, and I think that is the idea number in a way, so in that sense it was either a mistake to loan out Wilson when we did, or not to bring in an extra body in January, to help compete with the rest of our forwards (someone perhaps who is more experienced in a Teddy style way).

Oh my God you still aren't listening.

You talk about developing young players as though its a requirement. It isn't. It isn't because young players with no results equals the sack. No young players with good results equals keeping job and doing great.

A manager can't afford to focus on it right now at Man Utd, if it happens along the way then great but you would never set out to do it.

Yes a young player saving us millions is good for the club when we look back, but we are looking forward right now and a new manager (or LVG if he stays) would be an idiot not to sign established players rather than rely on the youngsters given the dubious position we are in. I would be stunned if Rashford on Lingers positions aren't strengthened with more established players this transfer window and ergo their opportunities will be more limited next year.

This is the same stupid argument that we had before that you have now decided to recycle.

We had four strikers back in the day when we we played 442, were going for the three top competitions and had two up front every game.

We dont need four top strikers when we play one up front.

So are you #teamyouth or #teambuybig? That's pretty much the top & bottom of it.

As DoctorMuff suggested before, youngsters like Rashford will benefit most from a situation that allows them to gradually become part of the team, playing 20 mins here and there in the league and full games in the domestic cups. If we get to xmas and the guy is pumping them in left, right and centre then by all means we should think of starting him in league games. However, I'd much rather not be in the position where we're hoping and praying that a kid is going to have the consistency and fitness to play 50 games in a season and score the 25+ goals we'd need from him for us to be successful.

I'd like to see us bring in a proper out and out striker. The kind of player we haven't had since RVP was in his first season for us. The kind of player that you can send out and you know that if you get the ball to him he's going to stick it in the bag.

The likes of Martial, Memphis and Rashford can play off the central striker, and can do a job for us as the central striker if needs be. However, I'd say Rooney still has enough juice in him to be the main competition for this as yet unnamed new goalscorer.

I think we could do with a bit more on the right, I'm not a big fan of Lingard, happy for him to be in the squad but we should be looking for better if we seriously want to compete for the league.

I'm #teambigyouth

#mufc XI: De Gea, Fosu-Mensah, Smalling, Blind, Rojo, Schneiderlin, Carrick, Mata, Lingard, Martial, Rashford.

De Gea, Fosu-Mensah, Smalling, Blind, Rojo, Schneiderlin, Carrick, Mata, Lingard, Martial, Rashford

Romero, Darmian, Valencia, Young, Fellaini, Herrera, Memphis

Thanks for this Mick.