Originally Posted by DoctorMuff:
“Thanks for this Mick.”
“Thanks for this Mick.”
You're welcome
Man United Supporters Thread (Part 50)
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Originally Posted by Eddie hunter:
“Oh my God you still aren't listening.
You talk about developing young players as though its a requirement. It isn't. It isn't because young players with no results equals the sack. No young players with good results equals keeping job and doing great.
A manager can't afford to focus on it right now at Man Utd, if it happens along the way then great but you would never set out to do it.
Yes a young player saving us millions is good for the club when we look back, but we are looking forward right now and a new manager (or LVG if he stays) would be an idiot not to sign established players rather than rely on the youngsters given the dubious position we are in. I would be stunned if Rashford on Lingers positions aren't strengthened with more established players this transfer window and ergo their opportunities will be more limited next year.”
“Oh my God you still aren't listening.
You talk about developing young players as though its a requirement. It isn't. It isn't because young players with no results equals the sack. No young players with good results equals keeping job and doing great.
A manager can't afford to focus on it right now at Man Utd, if it happens along the way then great but you would never set out to do it.
Yes a young player saving us millions is good for the club when we look back, but we are looking forward right now and a new manager (or LVG if he stays) would be an idiot not to sign established players rather than rely on the youngsters given the dubious position we are in. I would be stunned if Rashford on Lingers positions aren't strengthened with more established players this transfer window and ergo their opportunities will be more limited next year.”
You mention a few scenarios, and they could come true, but fail to mention one, how about, "young players with results", what does that equal? I agree with your other scenarios, I am interested in what this one would mean?
At our club, it is a requirement to develop young players, we have a very proud history of doing so, and throughout the history of the club, we have done very well in this area, so why try and stop that?
From the Busby Babes, to Fergie's Fledglings, and up to the modern day with Rashford, Varela, and Mensah (Louis' Little un's???), we more than most clubs have shown the way forward on this area, and this is something that we should carry on doing, and not put to one side.
But you can't set out to do that. If it happens - great but it can only happen if you have the players. If you have a bunch of also-rans not good enough to keep the club challenging for honours then it doesn't matter if you call them the Busby Babes, Fergie's Fledglings, Louis' Lads or Jose's Juniors - they're not getting in the side.
Originally Posted by DoctorMuff:
“But you can't set out to do that. If it happens - great but it can only happen if you have the players. If you have a bunch of also-rans not good enough to keep the club challenging for honours then it doesn't matter if you call them the Busby Babes, Fergie's Fledglings, Louis' Lads or Jose's Juniors - they're not getting in the side.”
“But you can't set out to do that. If it happens - great but it can only happen if you have the players. If you have a bunch of also-rans not good enough to keep the club challenging for honours then it doesn't matter if you call them the Busby Babes, Fergie's Fledglings, Louis' Lads or Jose's Juniors - they're not getting in the side.”
What about Moyes' Munchkins? Or Moyes' Minions?
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“You mention a few scenarios, and they could come true, but fail to mention one, how about, "young players with results", what does that equal? I agree with your other scenarios, I am interested in what this one would mean?
At our club, it is a requirement to develop young players, we have a very proud history of doing so, and throughout the history of the club, we have done very well in this area, so why try and stop that?
From the Busby Babes, to Fergie's Fledglings, and up to the modern day with Rashford, Varela, and Mensah (Louis' Little un's???), we more than most clubs have shown the way forward on this area, and this is something that we should carry on doing, and not put to one side.”
“You mention a few scenarios, and they could come true, but fail to mention one, how about, "young players with results", what does that equal? I agree with your other scenarios, I am interested in what this one would mean?
At our club, it is a requirement to develop young players, we have a very proud history of doing so, and throughout the history of the club, we have done very well in this area, so why try and stop that?
From the Busby Babes, to Fergie's Fledglings, and up to the modern day with Rashford, Varela, and Mensah (Louis' Little un's???), we more than most clubs have shown the way forward on this area, and this is something that we should carry on doing, and not put to one side.”
You don't get it. There's no point in me continuing to explain the same thing over and over and you still not understand.
Originally Posted by DoctorMuff:
“But you can't set out to do that. If it happens - great but it can only happen if you have the players. If you have a bunch of also-rans not good enough to keep the club challenging for honours then it doesn't matter if you call them the Busby Babes, Fergie's Fledglings, Louis' Lads or Jose's Juniors - they're not getting in the side.”
“But you can't set out to do that. If it happens - great but it can only happen if you have the players. If you have a bunch of also-rans not good enough to keep the club challenging for honours then it doesn't matter if you call them the Busby Babes, Fergie's Fledglings, Louis' Lads or Jose's Juniors - they're not getting in the side.”
Of course they have to be good enough, there would be no point playing anyone if they were not good enough, I have never said otherwise.
Sadly for them, players like Keane or Powell are not good enough for our first team, however it does seem that Rashford, Varela and Mensah are worth persevering with.
Originally Posted by Eddie hunter:
“You don't get it. There's no point in me continuing to explain the same thing over and over and you still not understand.”
“You don't get it. There's no point in me continuing to explain the same thing over and over and you still not understand.”
I do get your point of view, hence me agreeing with the other points of view that you put forward, however you did forget about the option that I was simply asking you about.
I understand perfectly what you are saying don't worry about that.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Of course they have to be good enough, there would be no point playing anyone if they were not good enough, I have never said otherwise.
Sadly for them, players like Keane or Powell are not good enough for our first team, however it does seem that Rashford, Varela and Mensah are worth persevering with.”
“Of course they have to be good enough, there would be no point playing anyone if they were not good enough, I have never said otherwise.
Sadly for them, players like Keane or Powell are not good enough for our first team, however it does seem that Rashford, Varela and Mensah are worth persevering with.”
But then the objective becomes playing them if they're good enough, not playing them because of their age or development route.
Glad to see another Leicester win, a points loss would have given Spurs a boost but not now. Let's hope we can take advantage!
Not helpful having the team coach still stuck in traffic and an already delayed KO (4:15 currently). FFS they should be out on the pitch warming up by now!!!!!!!
GRRRR now 4:30 KO - still not there!
Not helpful having the team coach still stuck in traffic and an already delayed KO (4:15 currently). FFS they should be out on the pitch warming up by now!!!!!!!
GRRRR now 4:30 KO - still not there!
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I do get your point of view, hence me agreeing with the other points of view that you put forward, however you did forget about the option that I was simply asking you about.
I understand perfectly what you are saying don't worry about that.”
“I do get your point of view, hence me agreeing with the other points of view that you put forward, however you did forget about the option that I was simply asking you about.
I understand perfectly what you are saying don't worry about that.”
I didn't forget, you are totally missing the point, that's what I'm trying to say. At the start of the season there are two options to weigh up - sign established players or play the youngsters. That's it.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Kick off delayed by 15 mins due to us being stuck in London traffic, not heard that for a while!”
“Kick off delayed by 15 mins due to us being stuck in London traffic, not heard that for a while!”
LvG's instructions were to park the bus today.
He didn't mean on the North Circular.
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“United coach stuck in traffic?
I though he was stuck in 1995, but there you go...”
“United coach stuck in traffic?
I though he was stuck in 1995, but there you go...”
Unlike Jose, Van Gaal's always had problems successfully parking the bus
Originally Posted by DoctorMuff:
“But then the objective becomes playing them if they're good enough, not playing them because of their age or development route.”
“But then the objective becomes playing them if they're good enough, not playing them because of their age or development route.”
The objective if the players are deemed by the management and staff at each level to be good enough, should be to aid their development as much as possible, as surely that is the whole point of having a youth set-up in the first place, is so that eventually one or two (and if we are extremely lucky) maybe more than that coming into the first team.
If it was solely about the first team, we wouldn't need a youth team, we would just buy in all of the players from elsewhere.
Yes of course, not all of the young players will make it with us, and the vast majority, will leave us, but that shouldn't mean we stop trying to aid the development of the ones that are perceived to be of a sufficient enough quality to warrant inclusion at a higher level.
Originally Posted by Eddie hunter:
“I didn't forget, you are totally missing the point, that's what I'm trying to say. At the start of the season there are two options to weigh up - sign established players or play the youngsters. That's it.”
“I didn't forget, you are totally missing the point, that's what I'm trying to say. At the start of the season there are two options to weigh up - sign established players or play the youngsters. That's it.”
There should be a happy medium between the two, as you need the experienced players to aid the younger ones in their developmental phase.
Young players will be inconsistent as they get used to playing at a higher level.
So you can sign players, but you should also have in mind what is best for the development of our more talented younger players.
We wouldn't for example want a say Pogba to leave us, only for us to in the future wish to re-sign them, only to have to pay waaaayyyyy over the top in order to do so, when we could keep a player of a sufficient quality, if we just aided their development more.
It is a very tough balance, and there is no short cut, or easy way to make this a success, however we should be looking at doing what is best for our more talented youngsters, if the management team feel that they are worthy of continuing to do so with.
Originally Posted by DoctorMuff:
“Kick-off now pushed back to 4:30”
“Kick-off now pushed back to 4:30”
We might get it played before midnight if we are lucky!
Batdude, must you persist with this silly point of yours? More or less everyone has disagreed with you and/or told you your completely missing the point. It's very obvious you're just trying to gain attention and argue for the sake of it.
There's an important game coming up shortly and it would be nice to see this thread full of discussion about it, rather than the thread being your own personal soapbox.
There's an important game coming up shortly and it would be nice to see this thread full of discussion about it, rather than the thread being your own personal soapbox.
Originally Posted by DoctorMuff:
“Kick-off now pushed back to 4:30”
“Kick-off now pushed back to 4:30”
They're only delaying the inevitable.
Originally Posted by Grim Fandango:
“Batdude, must you persist with this silly point of yours? More or less everyone has disagreed with you and/or told you your completely missing the point. It's very obvious you're just trying to gain attention and argue for the sake of it.
There's an important game coming up shortly and it would be nice to see this thread full of discussion about it, rather than the thread being your own personal soapbox.”
“Batdude, must you persist with this silly point of yours? More or less everyone has disagreed with you and/or told you your completely missing the point. It's very obvious you're just trying to gain attention and argue for the sake of it.
There's an important game coming up shortly and it would be nice to see this thread full of discussion about it, rather than the thread being your own personal soapbox.”
Agreed. It's infuriating in the extreme. Normally if ten different people told you you were missing the point after each of your comments on a subject then you would normally take a step back and think....."maybe I am, maybe I'm not understanding what they mean"
Instead we have someone trying to steamroller through it shouting "I understand" when each and every post made on the subject clearly states they don't.
this is far from ideal, off the coach and straight onto the pitch, not very good preparation for the match, you would think we would arrive at the stadium with plenty of time to spare, oh well...
Originally Posted by Banana Rama:
“this is far from ideal, off the coach and straight onto the pitch, not very good preparation for the match, you would think we would arrive at the stadium with plenty of time to spare, oh well...”
“this is far from ideal, off the coach and straight onto the pitch, not very good preparation for the match, you would think we would arrive at the stadium with plenty of time to spare, oh well...”
It happens once in a blue moon, clearly extraordinary circumstances have happened with the traffic etc.......not like they planned on arriving five mins before
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