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Old 10-04-2016, 19:16
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Pathetic display.

Can anyone imagine Bayern or Barcelona finding this drop in attitude and quality acceptable?

The fans need to do their bit at OT. That is all the board will listen to.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:17
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This has been a very poor season indeed, and it is no fun at all trying to compare this one to the Moyes one, as both times we have severely underperformed, and I don't really want to try and remember this one or that one in future years.

This season we had the opportunity to really kick on from the last one, but the fact that we could end up in a similar position to the Moyes one speaks volumes, on the pitch we have not improved, and if anything we have gone backwards.

There needs to be a change of management as it is quite clear that this "philosophy" is not working, and we are being left behind other more progressive sides, and that is simply not acceptable.
Is that not just exactly what Eddie said in the post you quoted?
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:18
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I want to win every game like every other united fan but sometimes to win you have to lose.
I understand the sentiment entirely, but I just couldn't be happy about seeing us get beat, even if doing so meant the sack for LvG.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:18
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So I take it no one thinks he should see out his contract now?
Should of gone in November last year for me.

I forgot he was even playing today. There were three occasions he appeared on screen and I genuinely was surprised to see him on the pitch each time.
To be fair that 2nd half I think half the team went the pub and were replaced by look a likes.
This season we had the opportunity to really kick on from the last one, but the fact that we could end up in a similar position to the Moyes one speaks volumes, on the pitch we have not improved, and if anything we have gone backwards.
Ok you could say Moyes had a championship winning team but LVG has had that Squad and an extra £250m+ and has done no better really in the long run. But that debate has being done over and over again everywere. Personal preference I think they call it.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:19
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That was the hiding that performances and tactics have probably deserved more of over the last couple of years.

The 2nd half was shambolic to the point of comedy. 4 attacking players on the pitch, none of them in their natural position. Had a feeling throughout that once they scored we'd capitulate, and so it proved.

1 shot on target. Again. And that was Martial having to beat about 6 f*****g players on his own to fashion it.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:19
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Apart from Fellini as he is an obvious player to sell, which players do you think are crap and need/should be sold?

We have a firm base of players here, what is letting us down, or rather holding us back is the managers tactics or "philosophy".

If we had a different manager in charge, and we had different tactics, then I think that we could see a fair few of these players look a whole lot better.
Still not entirely convinced by this argument.

I know this thread is split 50/50 on it, but I'm firmly in the camp that says this is not a title winning or even title challenging squad. Some players being hamstrung by the managerial style, yes, but others simply not up to the demands and pressures of the jersey.

I would sell:

Carrick
Rojo
Fellaini
Young
Januzaj
Lingard
Rooney

Depay has shown flashes of potential so I would give him another season.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:21
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I understand the sentiment entirely, but I just couldn't be happy about seeing us get beat, even if doing so meant the sack for LvG.
This season is a disaster. Not even a lucky cup win will save it.

For the long term prospects of the club I love, I would 100% happily take being booted out of the cup if it meant LVG went.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:22
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Pathetic display.

Can anyone imagine Bayern or Barcelona finding this drop in attitude and quality acceptable?

The fans need to do their bit at OT. That is all the board will listen to.
Far too accepting of the situation imo.

To hell with putting ourselves on a pedestal and thinking we're too good for that kind of thing.

I don't advocate planes with messages but it's time some dissent was thrown in the direction of the board and manager on match days.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:23
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Pathetic display.

Can anyone imagine Bayern or Barcelona finding this drop in attitude and quality acceptable?

The fans need to do their bit at OT. That is all the board will listen to.
Problem is with the fans is that the weekend a lot of season ticket holders and Chinese visitors wont sing or shout about nothing except clap when we score or moan when they leave.

The away fans are the key in this or the some parts of the Stretford end and singing area. The away fans are the most vocal and watching them leave early is a sign there fed up now. Did the united players even applaud the fans today??
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:29
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Paul Hayward on Twitter:
How to save Man Utd? Make it a football club again, not a deal making factory. Get the right people making the big decisions, post-LVG
Interesting that. I wonder to whom Fergie's ghost writer is referring?
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:35
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Still not entirely convinced by this argument.

I know this thread is split 50/50 on it, but I'm firmly in the camp that says this is not a title winning or even title challenging squad. Some players being hamstrung by the managerial style, yes, but others simply not up to the demands and pressures of the jersey.

I would sell:

Carrick
Rojo
Fellaini
Young
Januzaj
Lingard
Rooney

Depay has shown flashes of potential so I would give him another season.
I would keep Young, Carrick and Rooney from that list, as we need experienced heads to help the more talented younger players.
They should accept that they might not play as often as they previously have done however.

As much as I love reading his blogs, I think we should sell Mata whilst we can still get a half decent amount of money for for him.

There is a lot if room for improvement, no doubt about that, but if we can build around the core group of good players, and if our more talented younger players build on this debut season, plus a few key signings, then we could have an opportunity to do well next season.

The biggest stumbling block however is the manager, if we keep LvG, then no amount of money will get us back amongst the top trophies.

We need a more attack minded manager, it is good to have a solid defence, as that is how league titles are won, but to concentrate solely on that, is not what we are about, we should be about more than having the bare minimum of shots on target.

We should be the team on the front foot, looking to score as often as possible, I just don't see that being the case no matter who we bring in player wise this summer, if LvG stays on.

This season is a disaster. Not even a lucky cup win will save it.

For the long term prospects of the club I love, I would 100% happily take being booted out of the cup if it meant LVG went.
I agree with you that this is most definitely not a season that I will look back on fondly in any way (well perhaps apart from the Rashford goal at City), but to actively wish or be happy at getting beat, that is just not for me.

I understand why people may very well want to get beat, or not be to overly sad if we do, but for me, every defeat hurts.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:37
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Paul Hayward on Twitter:


Interesting that. I wonder to whom Fergie's ghost writer is referring?
The mythical United way isn't going to help us now.

We need to go back to the days of being hated.

Someone who's done it before, a director of football and Zlatan chucked in for starters.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:39
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A cup defeat for us would simply be short term pain for long term gain.

We simply do not want to be in a position where the board have an excuse to keep this manager.

Of course a defeat hurts, to all Utd fans, but it's what we need imo.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:41
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Tbh I'm not sure that what happens in the Cup will make any difference to who's in charge next season.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:43
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A cup defeat for us would simply be short term pain for long term gain.

We simply do not want to be in a position where the board have an excuse to keep this manager.

Of course a defeat hurts, to all Utd fans, but it's what we need imo.
I had this conversation with Munch a few days ago but at this point a thumping at the hands of West Ham followed by a 0-0 against Villa at the weekend and hopefully that will be enough for the final nail in the coffin .
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:44
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Tbh I'm not sure that what happens in the Cup will make any difference to who's in charge next season.
I think it's all done & dusted and like has already been said Giggs wants no part so what do you do?
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:45
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The mythical United way isn't going to help us now.

We need to go back to the days of being hated.

Someone who's done it before, a director of football and Zlatan chucked in for starters.
I definitely agree with you on the director of football, it is something that I have been wanting to happen even when Sir Alex was still here.

We have been behind the eight ball so to speak in that department for a long while, and we need to play catch up as soon as possible.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:47
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I think it's all done & dusted and like has already been said Giggs wants no part so what do you do?
Hopefully it is already done and dusted. The foreign press are correct that Jose is a done deal and GIggs can then go and cut his teeth elsewhere. If he proves he is good enough , then his time may come later.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:49
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Hopefully it is already done and dusted. All the foreign press are correct that Jose is a done deal and GIggs can cut his teeth elsewhere. If he proves he is good enough , then his time may come later.
Giggs at Villa next season perhaps? Or maybe Newcastle as I cannot see Rafa willing to stay if/when they get relegated.

It would be surreal really to see Giggs at another club, but I think it would be best for him if he does have any serious managerial ambitions.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:51
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I think it's all done & dusted and like has already been said Giggs wants no part so what do you do?
Agree with you Jo. Think we have just got to limp to the end of the season now unfortunately.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:54
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Giggs at Villa next season perhaps? Or maybe Newcastle as I cannot see Rafa willing to stay if/when they get relegated.

It would be surreal really to see Giggs at another club, but I think it would be best for him if he does have any serious managerial ambitions.
I think GIggs would be better avoiding those kind of clubs. A well run club rather than a poison chalice so he can focus on the football rather than the drama.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:55
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Agree with you Jo. Think we have just got to limp to the end of the season now unfortunately.
Limp along with Louis.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:57
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I think GIggs would be better avoiding those kind of clubs. A well run club rather than a poison chalice so he can focus on the football rather than the drama.
If the links and whatnot prove correct about Swansea being sold, then he could not wish for a better chance at a well run club then that one.

Other than that, I don't quite know where he would fit in, as there are quite a lot of chairmen/owners out there that do seem trigger happy.

Everton if they get rid of Martinez maybe?

Either way, wherever he ends up, he definitely needs some managerial experience on his C.V. before we should be looking to appoint him as our manager.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:58
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I think it's all done & dusted and like has already been said Giggs wants no part so what do you do?
Indeed. Doubt anything will be said officially until the time is right, but I do think things have been happening behind the scenes for a while now.
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Old 10-04-2016, 19:59
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If Everton have any real ambitions they won't employ Giggs as manager.
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