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Man United Supporters Thread (Part 50)
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NorthernNinny
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“I hope the incident is in the referee's report and if it is, I think the FA will have to take disciplinary action for manhandling an opponent and also for putting him at risk of injury given the circumstances. They won't risk that kind of behaviour spreading.

Great result by the way, but it could so easily have gone the other way in spite of our overall dominance... simply because West Ham's dominance, albeit for shorter periods was more intense than ours! I said before the match that I disagree with those who wnted us to lose to get rid of LVG and the reason is simple: I think the decision to keep or get rid of him was made some time ago. Anyway, he could surprise us all if he's still here next season, who knows?

Happy to go along with what the board decide on this one so I want us to win every remaining match.”

I have confidence that there won't be any surprises. He's too set in his ways, I don't think it is good for a club to have a manager going into his last season. What about players we need to sign? Might make some think twice if they don't know who will be here in 12 months time or if there's a chance a rookie manager will be in place next.

Although players are often money motivated, some actually want the chance to win silverware. There are quite a few attractive options now without including the usual suspects abroad.
snafu65
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by JimVic:
“It may be that I am simply an old f*rt, which is true, but I used to love going to the FA Cup semis on a neutral ground. I saw Everton v United at Burnden park (can't remember the year), I saw United v West Ham at Hillsborough, I saw City at Villa Park. Now with two Northern clubs, everybody has to travel 200 miles, with all the extra expense and travel involved. I would love to see the old system, but my mate disagrees, he says it's a good day out, and a chance for more people to see their team at Wembley. Great if you support Arsenal, or Chelsea etc., but doesn't seem fair to me.”

You're absolutely right of course, Wembley should be reserved for the final. Like most things today though it's all about money, advertising, corporate hospitality and such, and the FA have to use Wembley as much as possible to recoup and justify the huge cost of the rebuild. Travelling fans are the last thing they worry about.
batdude_uk1
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by Eddie hunter:
“So you have forgotten. If you look at the post I was commenting on you would see that I was referring to the fact that he burst on the scene and then died away so based on Rashford bursting on the scene I feel a little uneasy about getting too excited because we saw what happened with Januzaj.”

Just because one has seemingly fallen away, does not automatically mean the other will, who knows Rashford could be the real, no-one yet knows either way, so whilst he is doing well, I am going to enjoy every moment of it.
batdude_uk1
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by Tribec:
“Football special trains are quite rare, if not extinct. Virgin are claiming the FA knew about the works on the network but still scheduled the games as such. I have to say it's a bit difficult with the marathon on the Sunday, imagine the issues with all the people trying to get home from running that, plus all the football fans. I doubt they'd be able to cope that well.

The thing is it's all the time. Every time a north west club reaches Wembley for some game or other, the rail networks are always doing some sort of improvement and the fans end up having to stop over or find alternate travel arrangements. It's another reason as to why they should have perhaps built the "national" stadium in Birmingham. It wouldn't mean as much travel mess for fans.”

I 100% agree with you over where the stadium should have been built, but the suits would never allowed that, they don't want to travel outside of their cushy London base, and hence why it was built there once again.

The fans don't matter to them one iota.
mickthehat
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Just because one has seemingly fallen away, does not automatically mean the other will, who knows Rashford could be the real, no-one yet knows either way, so whilst he is doing well, I am going to enjoy every moment of it.”

No one has said he will automatically fall away, please read what's written in posts rather than what you would like them to have said.

All that was posted was people should be cautious about calling rashford anything other than a promising teenager right now, nothing else.
Jim De Ville
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I 100% agree with you over where the stadium should have been built, but the suits would never allowed that, they don't want to travel outside of their cushy London base, and hence why it was built there once again.”

I suspect that there was a bit more to it, than that.
mickthehat
14-04-2016
There is an argument for a national stadium to be in the centre but also an argument that the nations stadium should be in the nations capital. Especially when that stadium has the long history that Wembley has had and its iconic status around he world,
TheMunch
14-04-2016
London is a more attractive place than Birmingham, more well known on the world stage, and it's the capital. Birmingham might've been the more convenient place for the stadium but it's understandable why it's in London.
Eddie hunter
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Just because one has seemingly fallen away, does not automatically mean the other will, who knows Rashford could be the real, no-one yet knows either way, so whilst he is doing well, I am going to enjoy every moment of it.”

I know that. Januzaj is an example of why caution should be exercised, that's all I'm saying. Read the context instead of being so desperate to start an argument. Your desire to comment and disagree is blinding you to what's been said and it's thoroughly boring.
batdude_uk1
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“I suspect that there was a bit more to it, than that.”

Oh yes definitely so, although I do think the FA didn't exactly have the fans in mind when it came to finding a spot for the new stadium, I think that they were only ever going to build it in London, if not Wembley, then somewhere else in London.

Which for the majority of fans in this country was always going to leave them more out of pocket than if it were to have been in Birmingham, or somewhere more central.

Originally Posted by Eddie hunter:
“I know that. Januzaj is an example of why caution should be exercised, that's all I'm saying. Read the context instead of being so desperate to start an argument. Your desire to comment and disagree is blinding you to what's been said and it's thoroughly boring.”

I understand what is being said, I am not looking for an argument at all, you have completely misunderstood why I posted.

You should take each case on its own merits, and not try to place the failings of others onto say Rashford, lets just judge him on his own merits, not what Januzaj or Keane, or whomever else has not quite made it, lets just be patient here.

He has done well and should be celebrated for doing so, he has taken to the first team very well indeed.
TheMunch
14-04-2016
Eddie's point is that you should be cautious about promising young players and not get too excited, otherwise you get cases like Januzaj (note: an example) where people were getting excited only to be disappointed when it doesn't work out. It always happens, it happens a lot with England too when they get excited about a promising young player where they end up with the "overhyped" label never seem to live up to expectations. His point wasn't about Januzaj, he's just an example. They don't need full posts comparing the two for the sake of disagreement because that'd be focusing on something that wasn't being talked about.
Eddie hunter
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“Eddie's point is that you should be cautious about promising young players and not get too excited, otherwise you get cases like Januzaj (note: an example) where people were getting excited only to be disappointed when it doesn't work out. It always happens, it happens a lot with England too when they get excited about a promising young player where they end up with the "overhyped" label never seem to live up to expectations. His point wasn't about Januzaj, he's just an example. They don't need full posts comparing the two for the sake of disagreement because that'd be focusing on something that wasn't being talked about.”

Exactly. Thank you!
JoTaylor
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I 100% agree with you over where the stadium should have been built, but the suits would never allowed that, they don't want to travel outside of their cushy London base, and hence why it was built there once again.

The fans don't matter to them one iota.”

Manchester to Birmingham on Virgin Trains 1hr 26 mins. Manchester to London 2hrs 8 mins.

I go to London for the day to meet friends & shop. There's nothing in it.
d'@ve
14-04-2016
I have to admit it, I am thoroughly enjoying the Liverpool-Dortmund match at the moment! Even Michael Owen can't annoy me, try as he might!
owen10
14-04-2016
Are anyone here getting tickets for the FA Cup semi final against Everton
Makosi's pants
14-04-2016
Have to say, I remember the hype for Janujaz being even worse than the hype for Rashford, especially considering he had a choice of three countries to play for.

And Dortmund have scored again Liverpool can have no shame losing to this lot, I think they'll boss the competition.
Nova21
14-04-2016
Agreed re the hype for Januzaj, and it was a lot more than Rashford is getting, which isn't actually as much as you would think he might really...for Janujaz It was ridiculous, with people wanting to get him to play for England rather than Kosovo or Belgium. My point is that I didn't see what was so special about him at the time, looked tricky and small, that was it.

Rashford looks like he could be a proper premier league goalscorer. Forget England for now, they don't need him.
homer2012
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by owen10:
“Are anyone here getting tickets for the FA Cup semi final against Everton”

Yep got my contact for a club wembley seat.
Makosi's pants
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“Agreed re the hype for Januzaj, and it was a lot more than Rashford is getting, which isn't actually as much as you would think he might really...for Janujaz It was ridiculous, with people wanting to get him to play for England rather than Kosovo or Belgium. My point is that I didn't see what was so special about him at the time, looked tricky and small, that was it.

Rashford looks like he could be a proper premier league goalscorer. Forget England for now, they don't need him.”

United fans especially, were feverishly straw-clutching at the time and I fully bought the hype. The only flaw I saw was that he wasn't really quick. But I didn't notice how lightweight he was until last season TBH.

More importantly than that has-been, Liverpool could actually do this after looking out of it. Good luck to them if they do.
big brother 9
14-04-2016
Bloody hell. Hope dortmund go up and Ave em
ags_rule
14-04-2016
Look at the passion Liverpool have played with tonight. That's what we haven't seen enough of from United this season. Too spineless too often.

I think Liverpool, with a couple of signings, will be right up there next year.
Eddie hunter
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“Look at the passion Liverpool have played with tonight. That's what we haven't seen enough of from United this season. Too spineless too often.

I think Liverpool, with a couple of signings, will be right up there next year.”

I think it shows what a difference a manager can make to a group of players, if we get the right man in there is no reason we can't be up there either. I honestly believe that.
d'@ve
14-04-2016
Have to say, I enjoyed the whole match even though Liverpool needed 3 more goals, twice, and got them all! Annoying lol but fair dos, it was an awesome performance. We need to learn again how to keep it going like that.
Makosi's pants
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by ags_rule:
“Look at the passion Liverpool have played with tonight. That's what we haven't seen enough of from United this season. Too spineless too often.

I think Liverpool, with a couple of signings, will be right up there next year.”

Passion isn't the only thing we've lacked but you're right in that there's no way we would have come back like that. Agree about their potential next season as well. Meanwhile our biggest signing next season is in the dugout.
Jim De Ville
14-04-2016
Originally Posted by Eddie hunter:
“I think it shows what a difference a manager can make to a group of players, if we get the right man in there is no reason we can't be up there either. I honestly believe that.”

Totally agree.

The base is there. Yes, we need a couple of players, but the manager is key.

Another year of Van Gaal, to be followed by Giggs, would be catastrophic in my opinion.
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