Praise where praise is due. After that terrible start for them I thought they were dead and buried. That was a brilliant comeback and ... let's face it, the sort of end that should be happening in the 'theatre of dreams' There should be edge of the seat, winning drama like that going on there, but under Van Gaal it never will.
That's the Klopp effect for Liverpool. We need the Jose effect!

Fair play to Liverpool knew they would do it as soon as they got the equaliser, like others have said what a difference a quality manager can make. So annoying seeing the likes of Steve McManaman and Micheal Owen going OTT they annoy me at the best of times so seeing them like that is no good for my blood pressure.

We need something, question is are we going to sleepwalk into something less palatable instead?

And after the damage Van Gaal will continue to do in the league, God knows where United could end up at the end of next season. Put Giggs in charge then, out of Europe (very probably) yet again, who the hell of note would want to sign for a man who has never managed a competitive game in his life?!

it's just mind boggling that they would hand Manchester United on a plate to complete novice manager, just because he played for them a long time! And who will have been an influential part of two managerial failures!
And who would be his assistant?! One of the umpteen ex-team mates who think he should get the job? How about Scholes? He always knows what's being done wrong and what should be done to be out right. Once his mates got the job his whinging will stop instantly - in fact there'll be deafening silence from him when things go wrong.

Gary Neville always knew what was wrong and how to put it right ... and look how that turned out for a United legend who had never managed a game in his life!

I'm not going to respond to all of your points individually, but I'll say one thing, and it's bloody obvious.

Give Mourinho the job. He's made for it, and is the only realistic candidate, in my eyes.

To miss out on Jose a second time is unforgivable imo.

If GIggs is appointed then Fergie and Charlton have far more sway than has been suggested.

It amazes me it never occurs to them that Fergie handpicked Moyes - a man who was mid-table at best, had never won a thing in his life and who, if they'd advertised for the managers job after Fergie - would not even have got through the door with the CV he had! And Charlton, I remember to this day, saying (before Moyes was announced) that whoever was going to take over from Fergie 'must have European experience' What experience did Moyes have?!

And of course, both Fergie and Charlton backed Van Gaal and apparently still do!
So why do they take any notice of what these two old man from the past want?! Does Fergie want to be Giggs puppet master? Cos it's obvious who Giggs will call when he hasn't got a clue about something.

Jose has wanted that job for years, we all know that. It's his dream job, he'd bust the proverbial gut to make that club the success it should be. The idea they prefer - as I said before - to give the job to a man who had never managed a competitive job in his life is not only mind boggling, it's terrifying! Specially with the disaster the last 3 seasons have been.

Ha! After comments about Fergie and Charlton not wanting Jose ...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-louis-7755455


Fact is, the hacks haven't got a clue about anything where this is concerned, they've covered all bases so they're obviously starting on this one now!

The decision to appoint Moyes becomes more bizarre as time passes. His name was touted before Fergie retired so I think he wasn't as far down the list as was suggested.

Maybe Pep was sounded out but I've never been truly convinced. A major bollock was dropped and it seems that those responsible (whoever it was) were keen to sweep it under the carpet.

If Giggs is appointed and it all goes tits up, he's on his own and will have to take responsibility for it. The idea that Fergie will act as mentor is unrealistic. Fergie didn't get to be the success he was without making a few enemies along the way. He will cover his own arse first and foremost and rightly so. If Giggs thinks the jobs his then he can't have someone holding his hand.

According to tonight's Daily Mirror there may be some mellowing of some individuals on the board (the Sir's) towards Jose getting the gig. Maybe the coffee has been sniffed?

Tbf the Daily Mirror seem to have run quite a few articles pushing the GIggs agenda so it seems a bit of a turnaround for them. Maybe they are bricking it and are covering their arses?

A story I remember going round about a year before Fergie's last season was that he was going to have Moyes as his assistant for a year then hand over to him!

My opinion about Moyes being appointed has always been that the Glazers know nothing about football. Since just after they bought the club they have seen Fergie winning something every season, he'd been there forever, he was a winner, the best manager in the country, etc. The Glazers probably thought this man is a football God, his judgement has been proved to be always right, So ... as he'd been there forever and won everything, it's always been my opinion that they thought that had earned him the right to choose, all by himself, his successor and whoever it was, the choice would be backed by the board.
I believe that because I honestly can't believe any other reason they would agree to David Moyes, a man who had won nothing despite being in the PL for 11 years (he never even managed a league cup!) taking over!

As for Giggs, he's another Moyes, in a different way. He's never taken charge of a competitve game ever, in his life. United are in a mess, compared to 3 years ago. It will be a huge job to get back to 'United normal' and it is far too huge a job for a complete novice. And one who has been part of the management that has failed this past 3 years.
It always amazes me no one ever includes him in the blame for what has happened since Fergie retired. Yet when a manager his sacked, his backroom staff usually go with him.
He needs to sample the real world for the first time in his career, away from the protected cocoon of United, where everyone loves him and he can do no wrong, which is all he's ever known.

I'd be all for GIggs taking over if he had the team that Zidane has at his disposal.

The nightmare scenario is still a possibility (us finishing fourth, but City winning the Champions League, and Liverpool winning the Europa League to push us into the Europa League!), it would just be typical if it did happen whilst we have got LvG in charge.

The only thing that puzzles me about that article is the idea Fergie was ever resistant to Mourinho taking over as Man Utd manager. Sure, Charlton wasn't keen on Mourinho and Fergie did seem to choose Moyes rather than Mourinho as his successor but I always thought Fergie and Mourinho got on really well, so why would he have ever opposed him being the next Man Utd manager?

We're too inconsistent to finish fourth. I'd take those nightmare scenarios if we change our manager to someone who has a clue what they're doing.

Well if you consider the rumours, the Fergie and Jose big pals act is a bit of a facade.

I thought that they would capitulate after that dreadful early start for them, and when the third Dortmund goal went in, but they did extremely, extremely well to come to back from that to produce a Fergie style comeback win.
They deserved on the second half performance, congratulations to them on that.

It is obvious what a good manager can do, even with a poor squad, and Klopp most certainly doesn't have the best squad at his disposal, so I am not looking forward to things when he does!

I fully agree with you in terms of this is what we should be seeing at Old Trafford, instead it seems that 1-0's, and 0-0 at half time seems to be the way forward, hopefully whomever our next manager is, puts an end to that, and we can get back to seeing some more excitement.

We have the makings of a good squad of players, (Martial, Rashford, Memphis, Rooney, Herrera, and Mata are all or should be, capable of getting more goals then they currently are) we just need someone in charge who will be able to bring them out of their shell.
There is no doubt that if a new manager could do that, then we would be challenging with the best teams in this league.

It is all about having the correct mindset, and for far too often this season, we have not had it, and that can be traced back, and attributed to the manager.

I firmly believe that a more attack minded manager, could get us back up at the top of the league fighting for a league title.

City have a few games where they might drop some points, so you never know, but it does look extremely unlikely, the defeat to Spurs sealed the top four off from the rest of the league I think.

Villa at home is surely three points in the bag, we cannot muck that up,..........can we?

Yeah it would be nice if we had a manager who gave off the air, that he had a clue about the players and tactics (Jones taking corners, Young up front???).

As much as I do think he is the right fit for us, and comes with far more negatives than positives, even José would be a better bet I think than LvG or Giggs, if those three are the only options on the table.

I fully understand and understood the point that was being made, I just think it is harsh to put the mistakes of others onto Rashford, he is his own person, and should be judged by what he does, and not by what others did and they have not done.
Let's just see what happens, he most likely will have a dip in form, that is to be fully expected, as he is still finding his feet at this high level
Asking him to jeep up these very high standard of performances, is pushing things a tad too far I think.

Yes of course it is right to be a tad bit cautious over players, but when they are doing as well as Rashford is doing, then they should be celebrated, and looked at as something that has gone very right in terms of his development.

That's one rumour I hadn't heard of til you mentioned it but it would explain why, assuming he did have the final say on his successor, he chose Moyes to succeed him.

Sorry for cutting your great post short like this, but I just wanted to say that I am in full agreement with this bit in particular.

He needs more life experience, if that that is the correct way to think about it.

People compare him Guardiola, but the two are vastly different, the Spaniard went abroad, he played in the middle east towards the end of his career, he sought out managerial greats for advice, and spent hours upon hours discussing tactics with Bielsa.
I just couldn't imagine Giggs willing to leave us to have a stint abroad, learning a new culture and a way of doing things, which would greatly benefit him in the long-term, if he wanted to take this managerial job seriously.

Your replies suggest you don't understand the point being made because you're replying to points nobody is making. It's not putting other mistakes onto Rashford, it's just saying to not get over excited and putting so much expectation on a young player like Rashford because of so many examples of players not living up to expectations, players like Januzaj who started well, looked really promising, only to end up disappointing. It happens all the time. Get excited about him but it's worth being cautious in case he goes the way of many other promising young players. Januzaj received more hype than Rashford, I'm sure I remember him being likened to Ronaldo at one point. But he's just an example of a young player who started well, got a lot of media attention, and things haven't worked out since. He's disappointed and has failed to live up to his promise.

Eddie's post was a small, minor point about not getting over-excited about Rashford because you risk being disappointed because it's happened before. It was a small post yet it has span over a couple pages when it really shouldn't have.

It's too late now of course, but I've said in the past Klopp would have been my choice to replace Moyes a couple of years ago, or even LVG now if Klopp had still been available. He'll do good things at Liverpool, unfortunately.

You dont understand at all because I didn't say that. I didn't even hint at it, but you dont care about that cos its all about what Batdude wants to say so you just reply to what you wish people had said rather than what they actually said. Hence why you are impossible.

And lets not think that what you posted is actually your opinion, no of course it isn't. If I had posted "woo hoo Rashford looks brilliant" you would be posting "Calm down lets not get carried away". All you do is post the opposite view point in order to attempt to be argumentative which is why you get horribly tied up in knots as you contradict yourself. It completely destroys any proper adult discussion that breaks out here. Its incredibly frustrating to have to deal with and a complete waste of time. Im not getting into a discussion with you on this, its my observation of your behaviour and it does destroy the forum because you have to reply to EVERY single post here so there is no escape for anyone.

Please just allow me to post now and then with you having to jump on everything I say. That shouldn't be too much to ask.

Even in this past three years when harsh reality has hit United and it's not been all highs, but mostly lows, even then he's protected because no one ever puts any of the blame on the assistant manager Ryan Giggs. It's incredible! And it's all because he IS Ryan Giggs .. which is the only reason any one contemplates him getting the job - he's Ryan Giggs, the legenday player. 'Knows United inside out' so he should get the job. So what, so does the tea lady whose been there years, probably!