Are you suggesting that all the equally big names surrounding United who have said that Giggs would be an excellent manager are basing it on absolutely nothing more than the fact he is Ryan Giggs?

Like Dwight Yorke ?

Well no....not quite!

The last one was Andy Cole who is fairly opinionated and I don't think would be afraid to say "terrible choice, he has no experience" if that's what he thought. Much as I don't want Giggs I do think that he must have something to offer or people have seen something in him in order for him to be getting continually touted.

As much as he is a stalwart of the club so are many other players from his era who could equally have been earmarked for the job.

Lets be clear, as much as its easy to have a go at the club they wouldn't appoint him as a cheap option and they wouldn't appoint him if hey didn't think he would actually be pretty good so we have to accept that for reasons unknown to the outside world he has something about him that make him potentially management material.

None of this is me touting him for the job by any means though, I think he is a terrible choice who could be good more down to luck than judgement.

Put it this way, in general the fans want Jose (or any other experienced successful manager) while it seems all of Giggs many many many former team-mates want Giggs, who has never been in charge of a competitive game in his life. (terrifying thought!)

I thought it was funny when someone said Fergie's behind all this! That he gets on the phone to all his old players and tells them what to say! lol In particular, Scholes, who abused Van Gaal on a regular basis til stories emerged Jose was going to get the job, then he started backing Van Gaal as being the right man for the job!
Just a coincidence, I'm sure! lol

Scholes has been very quiet recently hasn't he? Wonder why!

Think you have answered your question what is about to happen, could set your club back years if it comes to pass

More chance Fergie coming back than Giggs getting the top job.

That is the worst conspiracy theory yet.

What influence do any of your old bosses hold over you?

Scholes can say what he wants, its entirely up to him, I could just about believe that Giggs mates would like him to have the job and say so but its stretching credibility for all of them to say it in public and b) for other former players to say it too. They must have seen something in him.

Or could work.

The experienced PL man has failed.

The experienced European man has failed.

Agreed a lot of people seemed to be overlooking the last while at Chelsea

Considering the amount of talk there's been (particularly from rival fans and so called neutrals) about Giggs getting the job, the bookies still have him at a fairly big price.

Schweinsteiger is, perhaps predictably, out for the rest of the season.

I was talking about our last two appointments.

The Mourinho career isn't defined by 4 months at Chelsea.

And a lot of people seem to prefer to only remember or focus on this and forget the things he's achieved.

I guess it is if you hate him/United.

It is all about looking at which person comes with more positives than negatives to the job, and Giggs falls into the box with more negatives than positives (so similar to José, but at least José has been a manager, and has achieved success, that is far more than Giggs could say).

You could give those reasons for any number of managers, Bruce could work, Ince could work, but it is all about the chances of them working out, and what they could bring to the table so to speak, and neither sadly could offer us what we would need, and should be looking for in our next manager.

If it's a no to Jose then why is Giggs the default alternative?

If Poch was a serious candidate then I'd expect the same friends of Giggs to still give us the same flowery sentiment about why he is the fit for the job.

He has not had the life experience away from the club to be able to be this great manager, that most of them speak about, yes he has learned from the very best in Sir Alex, but then so did Ince, Darren Ferguson, and Michael Appleton, yet none of them would be worthy of being our next manager.

Giggs should look to broaden his horizons, and go to clubs like Ajax, Barcelona, Milan, and other such clubs, and study how they do things, and learn from other highly experienced managers.

Then he needs to prove that he is worthy of our job, by showing that he can cut it with another team, look at Enrique at Barcelona, he had previous jobs before Barca appointed him as their manager.
It is the norm to do so, not many get a top job without doing so, (even Zidane was managing, even if it was just the Under 21 side, he was at least getting some experience).

So Giggs' friends can say what they like, they can put him forward for the job, but until he has the experience for the job, he should not be a contender, we should not be a place where managers come to learn their trade, we should be a place where the top ones come to manage.

Mourinho positives: Proven winner in multiple leagues, and in Europe. Relatively young. Knows the Premier League. Understands the scale of United. Has the ego to manage at truly huge clubs, as proven at Madrid. Can handle top players, and can attract them. Wants the job. Is available.

Mourinho negatives: A few saps don't like his arrogance/demeanour, and cling to some mythical idea of United being some kind of morally superior club who have always had 8 former youth players in the first team.

Giggs positives: Has been at the club a long time. Is probably respected by the players, to some degree.

Giggs negatives: Never been a manager. Has been involved with the Moyes and Van Gaal regimes. Has no obvious authority.

They couldn't be any less similar.

I only meant that they are similar in terms of both having a fair few negatives, from a purely managerial C.V. José is miles/light years ahead of Giggs.

If it was purely a case of a choice between the pair of them, then even I would go for José, as Giggs does come with more negatives.

I don't think he is the default anything but as I say, there must be something about Giggs that makes him seem a viable candidate to the decision makers.

Mourinho doesn't have 'a fair few negatives'.

I think he is at best he is the continuation option, the safe bet, a no change policy, other than that I don't see what Giggs can possibly offer over and above more experienced and qualified managers, which is what we should be looking at.


Yes he does, he is not perfect by any stretch.

Some of his negatives are that he doesn't seem to care about the younger players at a club, and the fact that he always seems to make every match all about him, not about the players, even if one if his teams win.
He tends to only have two good seasons at best at a club, before either getting sacked or moving on.
There is just no stability possible with him.

If he could sort out those traits, then he would become a vastly more attractive option, he certainly has the pedigree and the medals/honours.

Once again you are attempting to answer a question that hasn't been asked.

And whatever else Ryan Giggs is, a man who has no managerial experience, the one thing he is not is a safe bet.

I haven't said that he's 'perfect'. Please don't put words into my mouth.


For a start, that's not 'a fair few', it's three.

Secondly, I couldn't really give a monkey's about any of that, in the short term.

I don't care if he makes 'every match about him' (he doesn't, by the way). Why does it matter?

I would take 'two good seasons', right now. If we hire someone else, they're not likely to last much longer anyway.

As for the youth players, I don't really care. He's not a moron. If he thinks that a young player is good enough to put into the team, he'll do it. He's not going to leave him out, due to principle.

Bottom line is, mourinho is a cxxx in many people's opinion (including mine). This shouldn't affect how he's perceived as manager, but it does. I can't think of any other reason that a Manchester United fan wouldn't want him. Obvs I'm not a United fan.
Those who say that Man United shouldn't be worried about the clubs image are being rather one dimensional when it come to today's state of the game.

The fact is, he is one of the most decorated modern day managers and with the circumstances as they are, should be hired by man United. The 'issues' around his personality, potential disharmony amongst players - after his iniital positive impact at every club - must be the only doubts.