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Man United Supporters Thread (Part 50)
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Jim De Ville
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“We are getting slightly off topic here, but the point being that players should get the chance to play for the first team is if they are good enough to do so.
A first team manager should have a responsibility to the future of the club to do so.”

And if they are good enough, they'll get the chance, regardless of who the manager is. That's the whole point.
Jim De Ville
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by zieler:
“Just seen that Herrera is apparently out injured. How the **** did Noble get away with that?”

I've barely seen mention of it, since the game.

Ridiculous.
NorthernNinny
15-04-2016
Hopefully we're smart enough not to let the Class of 92 or Fergie being at Utd for twenty six years hang around our neck like a millstone.

Time to move on, we need to make some more memories , not dwell on the past.
NiteOwl12
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Okay more recently Welbeck, Barkley, and to a degree Whilshire.

I guess it all depends on how you view when a player has broken through.”

Ah, you have forgotten Raheem Sterling and the really good news about him is he was signed from QPR Academy when he was just 16 by Rafa Benitez and your luck is in as Rafa is likely to be available next season just as soon as Newcastle drop into the Championship. As he is someone who I think also likes to do a lot of writing during a match, the change from Van Gaal to Rafa will not seem so drastic and Rafa has, as far as I am aware, never poked anyone of note in the eye. Personally I'd rather have a poke in eye and get Mourinho.

Seriously, look to Southampton if you want players who have come through the Academy system. Gareth Bale, Adam Lallana, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Luke Shaw to name a few.
NorthernNinny
15-04-2016
If we're getting hung up on youth we may as well just appoint Warren Joyce.
Eddie hunter
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“We are getting slightly off topic here, but the point being that players should get the chance to play for the first team is if they are good enough to do so.
A first team manager should have a responsibility to the future of the club to do so.”

You are responding to my initial point that the concept of players going from youth team to superstar doesn't happen at the very top level team any more, or at least is very very rare.

You are going off topic by mentioning guys who play for Everton and players we sold.

A first team manager has a responsibility to win. If he doesn't he gets sacked. Gone are the days when his remit was anything but that at the top level. Van Gaal has "brought through" young players by your own definition. Does it keep him in the job in your eyes? No it doesn't because he isn't winning. If he didn't bring through any of those young players but we were 5 points clear at the top right now would his job be safe? Of course.

That's the long and the short of it no matter how much you spin it any other way.
DoctorMuff
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by zieler:
“Just seen that Herrera is apparently out injured. How the **** did Noble get away with that?”

Could you imagine Fergie's reaction had that happened when he was on the touchline?

Van Gaal sat and watched. To be fair none of the players reacted either. Keane would have throttled him before Fergie even got the chance.
zieler
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“I've barely seen mention of it, since the game.

Ridiculous.”

Yeah, the only mentions I've seen are from people who found it funny.

Apparently the FA have let him off because it wasn't aggressive. I have no words.
Jamesp84
15-04-2016
As I said at the time, my main annoyance with that Noble incident was that our lot just stood there and let him do it. He'd never have tried that with some of our other sides, and even if he had, someone would have sorted the little shitbag out.
NorthernNinny
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“As I said at the time, my main annoyance with that Noble incident was that our lot just stood there and let him do it. He'd never have tried that with some of our other sides, and even if he had, someone would have sorted the little shitbag out.”

I mentioned it at the weekend but when it was kicking off at the Spurs game with Memphis near the end of the game I think it was only Lingard and Martial who joined in.

The youngsters. Same happened with Rashford at City away.
Jim De Ville
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by DoctorMuff:
“Could you imagine Fergie's reaction had that happened when he was on the touchline?

Van Gaal sat and watched. To be fair none of the players reacted either. Keane would have throttled him before Fergie even got the chance.”

Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“As I said at the time, my main annoyance with that Noble incident was that our lot just stood there and let him do it. He'd never have tried that with some of our other sides, and even if he had, someone would have sorted the little shitbag out.”

I was disappointed that Fellaini didn't get stuck in.

Do you know who else would have gone spare? Mourinho.
Eddie hunter
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“As I said at the time, my main annoyance with that Noble incident was that our lot just stood there and let him do it. He'd never have tried that with some of our other sides, and even if he had, someone would have sorted the little shitbag out.”

Im not one for playing the "passion" card but Ive watched a few of those 15 minute "classic" game highlights on Sky Sports that have featured the successful United teams of the past and its incredibly noticeable that the sheer will to win of those teams is light years away from the passive team we have to day. That is driven from the top down IMO.

Obviously the likes of Keane have it in built but the less aggressive players were demonstrating it in other ways too. We need to get that back.
batdude_uk1
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by NorthernNinny:
“If we're getting hung up on youth we may as well just appoint Warren Joyce. ”

I did put his name forward when there was a discussion a while back about potential caretakers if Giggs wouldn't do until the end of the season (might have been around the turn of the year, I forget the precise time).
Nova21
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Eddie hunter:
“Im not one for playing the "passion" card but Ive watched a few of those 15 minute "classic" game highlights on Sky Sports that have featured the successful United teams of the past and its incredibly noticeable that the sheer will to win of those teams is light years away from the passive team we have to day. That is driven from the top down IMO.

Obviously the likes of Keane have it in built but the less aggressive players were demonstrating it in other ways too. We need to get that back.”

Oi oi! Coming round to the need for animation on the bench!
batdude_uk1
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by zieler:
“Just seen that Herrera is apparently out injured. How the **** did Noble get away with that?”

He was no doctor, and was just frustrated I think, but there was no call whatsoever for lifting him up and dragging onto the side of the pitch.

It was disgraceful by him, what if he had a serious injury that he aggravated? (Which him being out now seems to be the case.)
Eddie hunter
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“Oi oi! Coming round to the need for animation on the bench!”

The guys Im talking about didn't have time to look at the bench. Im talking about the message and tactics the manager delivers.

Van Gaal even attempting to spin our current position as anything other than crap illustrates my point. He should be ripping the team apart for such underachievement not trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes.
Nova21
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Eddie hunter:
“The guys Im talking about didn't have time to look at the bench. Im talking about the message and tactics the manager delivers.

Van Gaal even attempting to spin our current position as anything other than crap illustrates my point. He should be ripping the team apart for such underachievement not trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes.”

Yes, was tongue in cheek as I know it's irrelevant for you... Right, I'm off to meet Grim at the boozer to celebrate his four day weekend!
mattlamb
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“I hope the incident is in the referee's report and if it is, I think the FA will have to take disciplinary action for manhandling an opponent and also for putting him at risk of injury given the circumstances. They won't risk that kind of behaviour spreading.

Great result by the way, but it could so easily have gone the other way in spite of our overall dominance... simply because West Ham's dominance, albeit for shorter periods was more intense than ours! I said before the match that I disagree with those who wanted us to lose to get rid of LVG and the reason is simple: I think the decision to keep or get rid of him was made some time ago. Anyway, he could surprise us all if he's still here next season, who knows?

Happy to go along with what the board decide on this one so I want us to win every remaining match.”

No wonder some people say that footballers and people that follow people are soft, if you think that was worth a red card. Unbelievable!
mattlamb
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I 100% agree with you over where the stadium should have been built, but the suits would never allowed that, they don't want to travel outside of their cushy London base, and hence why it was built there once again.

The fans don't matter to them one iota.”

London is the capital city of the UK.
It has real history going back centuries (unlike Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool Newcastle, etc).
Only York and Norwich can rival London in this respect and no-one is saying they should host England matches.
London has a far bigger population than any other city in the UK.

It makes sense for England to play in London.
I wouldn't be averse to England playing some friendlies in other grounds (eg: Old Trafford, Anfield) but the biggest games should definitely be played at Wembley in the capital.
big brother 9
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by mattlamb:
“London is the capital city of the UK.
It has real history going back centuries (unlike Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool Newcastle, etc).
Only York and Norwich can rival London in this respect and no-one is saying they should host England matches.
London has a far bigger population than any other city in the UK.

It makes sense for England to play in London.
I wouldn't be averse to England playing some friendlies in other grounds (eg: Old Trafford, Anfield) but the biggest games should definitely be played at Wembley in the capital.”


Spot on. Big games should always be at Wembley.

Old Trafford or anfield, villa park and St James Park should have a friendly each over the space of 2 years. It would allow alot of the country to have the chance to go watch the national team play
mattlamb
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“Mourinho positives: Proven winner in multiple leagues, and in Europe. Relatively young. Knows the Premier League. Understands the scale of United. Has the ego to manage at truly huge clubs, as proven at Madrid. Can handle top players, and can attract them. Wants the job. Is available.

Mourinho negatives: A few saps don't like his arrogance/demeanour, and cling to some mythical idea of United being some kind of morally superior club who have always had 8 former youth players in the first team.

Giggs positives: Has been at the club a long time. Is probably respected by the players, to some degree.

Giggs negatives: Never been a manager. Has been involved with the Moyes and Van Gaal regimes. Has no obvious authority.

They couldn't be any less similar.”

United should keep Lous Van Gaal, if the choice is between him and Mourinho.

Mourinho is the personification of short-termism. As well as being cynical and thoroughly unlikeable.

The football has not been great under Van Gaal. Neither would it be under Mourinho.

At least Louis Van Gaal is building for the future - just like Sir Alex Ferguson did in the late 80s when he became United manager. Built a dynasty and the Man Utd board at that time had the intelligence to see it - even though the media and others were campaigning for him to be sacked.
mickthehat
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by mattlamb:
“United should keep Lous Van Gaal, if the choice is between him and Mourinho.

Mourinho is the personification of short-termism. As well as being cynical and thoroughly unlikeable.

The football has not been great under Van Gaal. Neither would it be under Mourinho.

At least Louis Van Gaal is building for the future - just like Sir Alex Ferguson did in the late 80s when he became United manager. Built a dynasty and the Man Utd board at that time had the intelligence to see it - even though the media and others were campaigning for him to be sacked.”

Absolute rubbish.
Eddie hunter
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by mattlamb:
“United should keep Lous Van Gaal, if the choice is between him and Mourinho.

Mourinho is the personification of short-termism. As well as being cynical and thoroughly unlikeable.

The football has not been great under Van Gaal. Neither would it be under Mourinho.

At least Louis Van Gaal is building for the future - just like Sir Alex Ferguson did in the late 80s when he became United manager. Built a dynasty and the Man Utd board at that time had the intelligence to see it - even though the media and others were campaigning for him to be sacked.”

Not a single accurate word in that post. Brilliant.
mrs_bateman
15-04-2016
I see Manchester United are offering free return coach travel for supporters for the FA Cup semi. Good on them
mattlamb
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“Giggs, Fowler, Owen, Rooney.... The only absolute top class ones from schoolboy to first team stars since I started watching football.”

Tony Adams, John Terry, Sol Campbell, Rio Ferdinand, Michael Carrick, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, etc, etc.
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