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Van Gaal wasn't hired to build for the future first and foremost it was for silverware and CL qualification.
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#2077 |
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But didn't LvG say that he didn't expect to be competitive until year 3 of his contract? Didn't he say "he" bought Martial for the next manager? AFAIK the club have not contradicted these statements.
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Could still win the FA Cup (that's the first trophy Man Utd won under Alex Ferguson too).
No team have a God-given right to success, especially when the previously successful team were past their best. See Germany in the mid noughties for a similar example). |
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#2079 |
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You have to wonder who he bought Falcao for? Mixed messages going from one to the other.
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I haven't seen a single regular on here demand success. That doesn't mean you life back and blindly accept under achievement.
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But didn't LvG say that he didn't expect to be competitive until year 3 of his contract? Didn't he say "he" bought Martial for the next manager? AFAIK the club have not contradicted these statements.
That's worked out well! |
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#2081 |
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Isn't the clamour for Mourinho an implicit demand for instant success? Especially knowing his apparent hit and run M.O. which has been frequently discussed on here.
A club with United's resources should be doing a whole lot better than they are. That's why people are calling for Mourinho. That doesn't mean that the fans will start whining, if we're not winning the league in March. Have you watched us this season? Have you not wondered why a club of United's size surprise people when they score two goals? Or why they're reduced to punting on youth players, as soon as a couple of injuries kick in? |
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#2082 |
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I haven't seen a single regular on here demand success. That doesn't mean you lie back and blindly accept under achievement.
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#2083 |
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Not really.
A club with United's resources should be doing a whole lot better than they are. That's why people are calling for Mourinho. Quote:
That doesn't mean that the fans will start whining, if we're not winning the league in March.
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Have you watched us this season? Have you not wondered why a club of United's size surprise people when they score two goals? Or why they're reduced to punting on youth players, as soon as a couple of injuries kick in?
Indeed, they have been too often abysmal, under LvG. I don't think I will ever be able to forget (for instance) that atrocious performance against Norwich as long as I live. I assure you, I feel the pain. Very much so. I want United to be United again. Very much so. I'm not so sure as some that Mourinho would, or even wants to provide that, if given the chance.
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If United want to remain a relevant force, then they need to win the league, or at least come close, very soon.
The Busby situation looms large. Mourinho is the closest thing available to some sort of guarantee. He might be an utter disaster, he might not do any better than Van Gaal, but I'd take the chance. We absolutely need to get the Ferguson monkey off our backs. If it doesn't happen, and we sink to a new reality with some sort of permanence, then so be it. It would show an almighty case of mis-management, mind. |
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If United want to remain a relevant force, then they need to win the league, or at least come close, very soon.
The Busby situation looms large. Mourinho is the closest thing available to some sort of guarantee. He might be an utter disaster, he might not do any better than Van Gaal, but I'd take the chance. We absolutely need to get the Ferguson monkey off our backs. If it doesn't happen, and we sink to a new reality with some sort of permanence, then so be it. It would show an almighty case of mis-management, mind. It pisses me off greatly that he was overlooked for friggin Moyes. |
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I want us to do the best we can. If we do that and fall short I can live with it.
I can't live with a shambles, with inept tactics, with excuses getting worse and with no learning from mistakes. I think that's fair enough tbh. |
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If United want to remain a relevant force, then they need to win the league, or at least come close, very soon.
The Busby situation looms large. Mourinho is the closest thing available to some sort of guarantee. He might be an utter disaster, he might not do any better than Van Gaal, but I'd take the chance. We absolutely need to get the Ferguson monkey off our backs. If it doesn't happen, and we sink to a new reality with some sort of permanence, then so be it. It would show an almighty case of mis-management, mind. But the people who complain about LvG setting up the team to win 1-0 (with 1 shot on target), better be ready to own it, because that is precisely what I think Mourinho will be doing with United next season..... I want more than that. |
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I want us to do the best we can. If we do that and fall short I can live with it.
I can't live with a shambles, with inept tactics, with excuses getting worse and with no learning from mistakes. I think that's fair enough tbh. |
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To be honest, I can't believe that we've been reduced to these tentative posts praying for Mourinho because of the circumstances and yet really unsure what the thinking of TPTB is.
I still have nightmares that they will stick with LVG as a lead-in to Giggs. Heaven help us if that's the way they are leaning. After they appointed Moyes, I really have no faith that anyone in charge really knows what they are doing. Pride and sentiment have no place at this point. I've never had a problem with Mourinho - he amuses me immensely and I think he is one of those people who, if he's against you - you hate him. If he's on your side, you sigh like an indulgent parent at his antics and defend him to the hilt if outsiders criticize him. For me, at the moment it really is a no-brainer as they say. But United never fail to astonish me in a bad way , so I'm not holding my breath. Like many here, I think any other alternative currently available (especially keeping LVG for Giggs to take over) will condemn us to mediocrity for the foreseeable future. |
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José or the continuation with LvG then the passover to Giggs, unfortunately does seem to be the only options, I so wish that they was a third or fourth option, sadly that doesn't seem to be the case.
Against my better judgement, and for me both Giggs and José come with too many negatives, but I will go for José, a case of better the (red) devil you know, and at least José comes with a pedigree and a good managerial C.V. I just want us to improve and be better than the shambles that we too often have been since Sir Alex moved upstairs, and away from the dugout. Next season will be an almighty dog fight for the top four positions, nevermind the actual title, and we will need someone in charge who can match the incoming Conte at Chelsea, Guardiola at City, and the vastly improved no doubt Klopp at Liverpool, and Potch at Spurs. Not forgetting Wenger doing his usual stay at the top, and who knows what the perhaps defending Champions Leicester will do or be like! We cannot afford to be left behind and playing catch-up as we have been these past few seasons. |
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#2091 |
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Heavens above! Did I really read what I think? Batdude agreeing (albeit very reluctantly) rhat in the circumstances Mourinho is the best option!
![]() Welcome to the real world Dude.
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#2092 |
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Heavens above! Did I really read what I think? Batdude agreeing (albeit very reluctantly) rhat in the circumstances Mourinho is the best option!
![]() Welcome to the real world Dude. ![]() I just pray that José has learned from his sacking at Chelsea, and he improves on the negatives that he has if we do appoint him. |
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Getting back to on the pitch matters for a moment, surely we will beat Villa today, 0-0 at half-time followed by winning 1-0 anyone?
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To be honest, I can't believe that we've been reduced to these tentative posts praying for Mourinho because of the circumstances and yet really unsure what the thinking of TPTB is.
I still have nightmares that they will stick with LVG as a lead-in to Giggs. Heaven help us if that's the way they are leaning. After they appointed Moyes, I really have no faith that anyone in charge really knows what they are doing. Pride and sentiment have no place at this point. I've never had a problem with Mourinho - he amuses me immensely and I think he is one of those people who, if he's against you - you hate him. If he's on your side, you sigh like an indulgent parent at his antics and defend him to the hilt if outsiders criticize him. For me, at the moment it really is a no-brainer as they say. But United never fail to astonish me in a bad way , so I'm not holding my breath. Like many here, I think any other alternative currently available (especially keeping LVG for Giggs to take over) will condemn us to mediocrity for the foreseeable future. I hope that Moyes has taught them a lesson. |
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Fkn hell. Same thing every day. Relentless.
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Getting back to on the pitch matters for a moment, surely we will beat Villa today, 0-0 at half-time followed by winning 1-0 anyone?
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Fkn hell. Same thing every day. Relentless.
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I've gone beyond predicting scores, shots on target is the way to go!
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Huh, which is the "same thing", and what or whom is "relentless"??
Good idea, in which case 1-0 might be the same result! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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#2099 |
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Sheamus the celtic warrior just called Rooney out on soccer am. You like you wrestling don't you? Have you got tickets for the event?
It would be great to see more interaction between the faction and Rooney once again!
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#2100 |
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Out of two very underwhelming options, and through gritted teeth, then yes, I would still prefer someone else, but seemingly we only have two choices, and José comes out ahead of the LvG + Giggs pathway.
I just pray that José has learned from his sacking at Chelsea, and he improves on the negatives that he has if we do appoint him. |
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