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I don't see the comparison.
Giggs wouldn't be an external appointment. Moyes/Bruce would. Giggs is the assistant manager. It would be a promotion. Having the fans onside before someone starts the job is a definite bonus for any board appointing a manager. Look at all the ex players who go onto work for their old clubs, most aren't in GIggs's situation. Anyone else would be laughed out the door if they rocked up at Utd with his limited experience in management but he is a serious candidate for the job apparently. I've seen so many unsuitable candidates getting promotion over those more qualified to do the job to not consider it to be a big factor in recruitment. |
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#2252 |
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The assistant manager who apparently has no blame at all attached to him for the disaster his boss the manager Van Gaal has inflicted on United.
When you consider when a manager is sacked his coaching staff go with him .... it never fails to amaze me how Giggs is apparently completely distant from what the team does, even though he and Van Gaal are supposedly the managerial team. There were rumours that GIggs was stabbing Moyes in the back when he was manager here. |
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No but having had previous links with the club could help you get your foot in the door though above others, especially if you were a popular player during your time there.
Having the fans onside before someone starts the job is a definite bonus for any board appointing a manager. Look at all the ex players who go onto work for their old clubs, most aren't in GIggs's situation. Anyone else would be laughed out the door if they rocked up at Utd with his limited experience in management but he is a serious candidate for the job apparently. I've seen so many unsuitable candidates getting promotion over those more qualified to do the job to not consider it to be a big factor in recruitment. But I was talking specifically about Celtic and Moyes. If Moyes gets that job, it'll have nothing to do with him being a former player. He's hardly some sort of club legend there. It'll be because he's a decent, solid, experienced manager. |
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But it wouldn't ever be between him and a 'similar' candidate. That's the point.
If Celtic were to employ Moyes as their manager, it would be because they thought that he was the best available candidate. |
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Everyone has to start somewhere in terms of being a manager, so at the beginning everyone is unsuitable for any job, as they have no experience, and the only way to get experience, is by getting a job, so it is a bit of a vicious circle.
At some point, someone somewhere will take a gamble on someone just starting out. |
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Everyone has to start somewhere in terms of being a manager, so at the beginning everyone is unsuitable for any job, as they have no experience, and the only way to get experience, is by getting a job, so it is a bit of a vicious circle.
At some point, someone somewhere will take a gamble on someone just starting out. |
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I'm not saying that it never happens, of course it does.
But I was talking specifically about Celtic and Moyes. If Moyes gets that job, it'll have nothing to do with him being a former player. He's hardly some sort of club legend there. It'll be because he's a decent, solid, experienced manager. Not sure how long Moyes played for Celtic tbh. He has failed miserably in his last two jobs but did a decent job at Everton despite efforts by some to suggest otherwise. He probably stayed too long instead of making the step up elsewhere. The United job was totally unsuitable for him from the off. I firmly believe though that Moyes was the first choice for manager for Utd from the start despite some efforts to paint it otherwise. Had Van Gaal not been such a failure, Giggs would have replaced him as has been rumoured. Hopefully that's no longer the case and LVG's failure may well turn out to be a blessing in disguise. |
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The biggest club in the World shouldn't be gambling at all, unless maybe they've just won a couple of back to back titles and the Champions League; that's when they can afford to gamble.
As it is, the club is surely in no condition now to hand over to a complete novice who has never managed a competitive game in his life, when they could be (and probably will be) out of the Ch League for the 2nd time in 3 years. And of course, didn't even get out of the group stage this season. If they don't care what happens on the field then they may as well give the job to Giggs and hope he can handle the pressure both professionally of such a huge job - and personally, cos as soon as he's manager there'll probably be much dug up about his 7 year shagathon with his sister-in-law and the abortion he allegedly forced her to have. Because there's not really much else for the press to get at him about, seeing as he'll have no previous managerial record for them to talk about! |
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Yes, it's ironic that if United were going to gamble on a complete novice - which is what Giggs is, regardless of how long he's been at the club as a player - the time to do it would have been when Fergie left cos he left behind the Champions. So if Giggs failed the fall wouldn't have been too much - hopefully - for his experienced successor to put right.
As it is, the club is surely in no condition now to hand over to a complete novice who has never managed a competitive game in his life, when they could be (and probably will be) out of the Ch League for the 2nd time in 3 years. And of course, didn't even get out of the group stage this season. If they don't care what happens on the field then they may as well give the job to Giggs and hope he can handle the pressure both professionally of such a huge job - and personally, cos as soon as he's manager there'll probably be much dug up about his 7 year shagathon with his sister-in-law and the abortion he allegedly forced her to have. Because there's not really much else for the press to get at him about, seeing as he'll have no previous managerial record for them to talk about! Is it possible that he was a compromise when LVG was appointed? It is believed that Fergie was fighting his corner for management when Moyes was sacked. |
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De Gea, Valencia, Smalling, Blind, Darmian, Lingard, Schneiderlin, Mata, Rooney, Martial, Rashford
subs: Romero, Fosu-Mensah, Rojo, Young, Fellaini, Herrera, Memphis |
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Will be interesting to see Rooney, Martial and Rashford playing together for the first time hopefully tonight's performance will be better than Saturday's and we can get the right result.
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Yeah that front three has a fair bit of potential so I hope that it works out!
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Lovely goal from Palace
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does rooney know how to do anything except punt it long to valencia, he looks for that pass literally everything single time. it might be an effective tactic if valencia wasn't, you know, totally shit. feels like i am watching a match from 5 years ago with those two...
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is rooney really our best option in central midfield? van gaal is just a coward, doesn't have the bottle to drop him, doesn't have the bottle to drop any in form players, so puts him in hopelessly out of position instead, genius...
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Good grief Lingard, SHOOT!
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Good to get an early goal for once!
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Good to get an early goal for once!
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and he nearly did too, delaney not far away from his second
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yeah, great finish by own goal, fair play to the lad, hope he can grab another before half time...
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Reasonable performance so far, plenty of chances to increase the lead. Martial looking very lively, but Rooney's touch could do with the rust getting shaken off.
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Fabulous goal from Darmian
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Wouldn't shock me if both Rooney and Rashford were hooked. I think both are going to suffer a bit at Wembley as it is.
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Everton players and fans look a little dispirited. How delightful...
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I hope that this defeat for Everton really gets their confidence down!
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