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Old 20-04-2016, 12:36
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I don't see the comparison.

Giggs wouldn't be an external appointment. Moyes/Bruce would.

Giggs is the assistant manager. It would be a promotion.
No but having had previous links with the club could help you get your foot in the door though above others, especially if you were a popular player during your time there.

Having the fans onside before someone starts the job is a definite bonus for any board appointing a manager.

Look at all the ex players who go onto work for their old clubs, most aren't in GIggs's situation. Anyone else would be laughed out the door if they rocked up at Utd with his limited experience in management but he is a serious candidate for the job apparently.

I've seen so many unsuitable candidates getting promotion over those more qualified to do the job to not consider it to be a big factor in recruitment.
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Old 20-04-2016, 12:42
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The assistant manager who apparently has no blame at all attached to him for the disaster his boss the manager Van Gaal has inflicted on United.
When you consider when a manager is sacked his coaching staff go with him .... it never fails to amaze me how Giggs is apparently completely distant from what the team does, even though he and Van Gaal are supposedly the managerial team.
Red Issue refer to someone at United being a snake in recent tweets. Can't see it being Rooney or Carrick although they have been suggested.

There were rumours that GIggs was stabbing Moyes in the back when he was manager here.
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Old 20-04-2016, 13:10
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No but having had previous links with the club could help you get your foot in the door though above others, especially if you were a popular player during your time there.

Having the fans onside before someone starts the job is a definite bonus for any board appointing a manager.

Look at all the ex players who go onto work for their old clubs, most aren't in GIggs's situation. Anyone else would be laughed out the door if they rocked up at Utd with his limited experience in management but he is a serious candidate for the job apparently.

I've seen so many unsuitable candidates getting promotion over those more qualified to do the job to not consider it to be a big factor in recruitment.
I'm not saying that it never happens, of course it does.

But I was talking specifically about Celtic and Moyes. If Moyes gets that job, it'll have nothing to do with him being a former player. He's hardly some sort of club legend there. It'll be because he's a decent, solid, experienced manager.
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Old 20-04-2016, 13:18
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But it wouldn't ever be between him and a 'similar' candidate. That's the point.

If Celtic were to employ Moyes as their manager, it would be because they thought that he was the best available candidate.
If for example (hypothetically here), the Celtic job came down to either Moyes (ex Celtic player) or Rodgers (no prior links with Celtic), then that is what I am saying about two similar candidates, the ex player will have an advantage, as he would have the fans on his side from the get go.
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Old 20-04-2016, 13:21
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Everyone has to start somewhere in terms of being a manager, so at the beginning everyone is unsuitable for any job, as they have no experience, and the only way to get experience, is by getting a job, so it is a bit of a vicious circle.

At some point, someone somewhere will take a gamble on someone just starting out.
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Old 20-04-2016, 13:56
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Everyone has to start somewhere in terms of being a manager, so at the beginning everyone is unsuitable for any job, as they have no experience, and the only way to get experience, is by getting a job, so it is a bit of a vicious circle.

At some point, someone somewhere will take a gamble on someone just starting out.
The biggest club in the World shouldn't be gambling at all, unless maybe they've just won a couple of back to back titles and the Champions League; that's when they can afford to gamble.
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Old 20-04-2016, 14:17
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I'm not saying that it never happens, of course it does.

But I was talking specifically about Celtic and Moyes. If Moyes gets that job, it'll have nothing to do with him being a former player. He's hardly some sort of club legend there. It'll be because he's a decent, solid, experienced manager.
Oh I agree , I think there are big differences between Moyes and Giggs when it comes to potential appointments within management at their old clubs.

Not sure how long Moyes played for Celtic tbh. He has failed miserably in his last two jobs but did a decent job at Everton despite efforts by some to suggest otherwise. He probably stayed too long instead of making the step up elsewhere. The United job was totally unsuitable for him from the off.

I firmly believe though that Moyes was the first choice for manager for Utd from the start despite some efforts to paint it otherwise. Had Van Gaal not been such a failure, Giggs would have replaced him as has been rumoured. Hopefully that's no longer the case and LVG's failure may well turn out to be a blessing in disguise.
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Old 20-04-2016, 16:23
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The biggest club in the World shouldn't be gambling at all, unless maybe they've just won a couple of back to back titles and the Champions League; that's when they can afford to gamble.
Yes, it's ironic that if United were going to gamble on a complete novice - which is what Giggs is, regardless of how long he's been at the club as a player - the time to do it would have been when Fergie left cos he left behind the Champions. So if Giggs failed the fall wouldn't have been too much - hopefully - for his experienced successor to put right.

As it is, the club is surely in no condition now to hand over to a complete novice who has never managed a competitive game in his life, when they could be (and probably will be) out of the Ch League for the 2nd time in 3 years. And of course, didn't even get out of the group stage this season.

If they don't care what happens on the field then they may as well give the job to Giggs and hope he can handle the pressure both professionally of such a huge job - and personally, cos as soon as he's manager there'll probably be much dug up about his 7 year shagathon with his sister-in-law and the abortion he allegedly forced her to have.
Because there's not really much else for the press to get at him about, seeing as he'll have no previous managerial record for them to talk about!
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Old 20-04-2016, 16:28
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Yes, it's ironic that if United were going to gamble on a complete novice - which is what Giggs is, regardless of how long he's been at the club as a player - the time to do it would have been when Fergie left cos he left behind the Champions. So if Giggs failed the fall wouldn't have been too much - hopefully - for his experienced successor to put right.

As it is, the club is surely in no condition now to hand over to a complete novice who has never managed a competitive game in his life, when they could be (and probably will be) out of the Ch League for the 2nd time in 3 years. And of course, didn't even get out of the group stage this season.

If they don't care what happens on the field then they may as well give the job to Giggs and hope he can handle the pressure both professionally of such a huge job - and personally, cos as soon as he's manager there'll probably be much dug up about his 7 year shagathon with his sister-in-law and the abortion he allegedly forced her to have.
Because there's not really much else for the press to get at him about, seeing as he'll have no previous managerial record for them to talk about!
I doubt GIggs was even a consideration as a potential successor when Moyes was appointed.

Is it possible that he was a compromise when LVG was appointed? It is believed that Fergie was fighting his corner for management when Moyes was sacked.
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Old 20-04-2016, 19:02
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De Gea, Valencia, Smalling, Blind, Darmian, Lingard, Schneiderlin, Mata, Rooney, Martial, Rashford

subs: Romero, Fosu-Mensah, Rojo, Young, Fellaini, Herrera, Memphis
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Old 20-04-2016, 19:10
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Will be interesting to see Rooney, Martial and Rashford playing together for the first time hopefully tonight's performance will be better than Saturday's and we can get the right result.
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Old 20-04-2016, 19:14
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Yeah that front three has a fair bit of potential so I hope that it works out!
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Old 20-04-2016, 20:05
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Lovely goal from Palace
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Old 20-04-2016, 20:10
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does rooney know how to do anything except punt it long to valencia, he looks for that pass literally everything single time. it might be an effective tactic if valencia wasn't, you know, totally shit. feels like i am watching a match from 5 years ago with those two...
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Old 20-04-2016, 20:16
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is rooney really our best option in central midfield? van gaal is just a coward, doesn't have the bottle to drop him, doesn't have the bottle to drop any in form players, so puts him in hopelessly out of position instead, genius...
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Old 20-04-2016, 20:21
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Good grief Lingard, SHOOT!
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Old 20-04-2016, 20:25
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Good to get an early goal for once!
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Old 20-04-2016, 20:32
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Good to get an early goal for once!
yeah, great finish by own goal, fair play to the lad, hope he can grab another before half time...
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Old 20-04-2016, 20:34
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and he nearly did too, delaney not far away from his second
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Old 20-04-2016, 20:48
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yeah, great finish by own goal, fair play to the lad, hope he can grab another before half time...
Just nice to see him back, he seemed to have an Hargreaves style absence from the team!
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Old 20-04-2016, 20:50
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Reasonable performance so far, plenty of chances to increase the lead. Martial looking very lively, but Rooney's touch could do with the rust getting shaken off.
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Old 20-04-2016, 21:11
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Fabulous goal from Darmian
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Old 20-04-2016, 21:19
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Wouldn't shock me if both Rooney and Rashford were hooked. I think both are going to suffer a bit at Wembley as it is.
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Old 20-04-2016, 21:27
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Everton players and fans look a little dispirited. How delightful...
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Old 20-04-2016, 21:36
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I hope that this defeat for Everton really gets their confidence down!
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