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fridgesoup
10-03-2016
Originally Posted by Tejas:
“I believe that will be the case, but IMO they SHOULD care - all the departing pro dancers seem to be unhappy with how the show has changed to some extent. Whilst no one person is bigger than the show I do think to see so many going is a shame and they should be trying their best to ensure others don't quit as well.

My main gripe though is that the judges are treated like royalty yet the pro dancers are seen as a replaceable tool. ”

I do agree with everything you say, especially the last part, but just to be pedantic, I'm not sure it's true to say all the departing dancers were unhappy.

The Jordans have tried hard to stir things up and I'm sure there's some underlying truth behind James' frothing at the mouth, but there's also a great deal of ego and posturing to his claims, so I tend to take what he says and halve it! 😏

Tristan, in his own mild mannered but direct way, has been clear about why he wants to leave. When the series finished he seemed still to be mulling things over. He said wtte that the season very long and he needed time to get some perspective back. I guess time with family, impending parenthood and the chance to try other things made him decide the good stuff didn't outweigh the bad, so, fair enough, but I don't think he was scathing....

Kristina? I might have missed it, but did she say she was unhappy? Seems to me it just ran it's course for her and another chapter of her life was starting.

Aliona hasn't griped about anything, just said it was too time consuming, given she'd like to start a family. In fact she said if it was possible to do it and have a couple of days off a week, she'd have liked to have stayed.

I do think there are problems TPTB need to pay attention to (and that's irrespective of how successful the show is), but I'm not sure I buy the idea that all the pros are miserable.
Ellie1967
10-03-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Young, petite actresses who have been in soaps are treated like small children even if, like Tina O'Brien they are parents themselves. Sportsmen are well - sportsmen. Older ladies are either Cougars (pauses to roll eyes) or plucky triers doing it for the over 40/50/60's and so on. It's like they have a cast list of characters and the celebs are picked to fit into that and if they don't fit, then they'll just be hammered into it anyway ”

Absolutely. I thought it was a real shame that in the last series Jeremy really wanted to learn to dance and was pushed into the 'comedy character' box instead and didn't seem happy towards the end.

Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“Kristina? I might have missed it, but did she say she was unhappy? Seems to me it just ran it's course for her and another chapter of her life was starting. ”

She implied something similar to Tristan in her Hello mag interview - that the creativity was being taken out of her hands towards the end.

http://www.hellomagazine.com/healtha...ant-exclusive/
VicsMum
10-03-2016
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Sad to hear of the departure of Tristan, my favourite pro of the recent bunch of recruits .
A great dancer and teacher as well as being a great communicator . We are left now with a lot of pros who can barely speak English and I'm sure the 4 new recruits won't improve this situation .”

It's always good to see good ol' xenophobia making an appearance!

Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“Eh? Gio maybe, but he was improving fast. Lots?! ”

I'm confused too. Lots??

If the OP likes to hear perfect English they should be listening to Radio 4, not watching a dancing programme with people all over the world taking part. Y'know, just friendly advice...
Chiltons Cane
10-03-2016
Tristan has always come across as a very good caring teacher. I've seen some of the clips of him on DWTS and he is lovely with his celebs partners who are struggling. He makes it about them and not him, unlike may of the Pros with very big egos.
Chiltons Cane
10-03-2016
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“Why do some people say they will no longer watch if their favourite pro's leave? You do realise it's not supposed to be about them, don't you? Loads of my favourites have left over the years, but I've not thrown a tantrum and refused to watch over it. In fact I'd say that Tristan is someone who won't have even registered with most of the casual viewers, and I can't imagine his absence will be much noticed byJoe Public in the way that Kevin, Anton, Brendan or even Gleb's would be if they suddenly disappeared from the next series.”

Nobody is throwing a hissy fit. I'm not overly keen on SCD now anyway. The stupid judges and Tess, the OTT stuff in the press. The props, etc etc.
I only watched Jay/Aliona and Tristan/Jamelia last year.
Tristan and Aliona leaving has made it easier for me to give up completely!
And lots do watch for the pros, we get to know them over the years and some are more famous now than the Z listers who they pick!!
Christopher D
10-03-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“I think one of the worst things is the way the celebs - and pro's now to some extent - are given thumbnail sketches of their 'character' at the beginning of the series and that defines their time in the show with very little wiggle room for change as the series goes on.

Young, petite actresses who have been in soaps are treated like small children even if, like Tina O'Brien they are parents themselves. Sportsmen are well - sportsmen. Older ladies are either Cougars (pauses to roll eyes) or plucky triers doing it for the over 40/50/60's and so on. It's like they have a cast list of characters and the celebs are picked to fit into that and if they don't fit, then they'll just be hammered into it anyway ”

Yes agree with this Tess did to this Jay particular on the launch show and 1st live show treating him like he was 5 not 25.
Vodka_Drinka
10-03-2016
Originally Posted by Chiltons Cane:
“Nobody is throwing a hissy fit. I'm not overly keen on SCD now anyway. The stupid judges and Tess, the OTT stuff in the press. The props, etc etc.
I only watched Jay/Aliona and Tristan/Jamelia last year.
Tristan and Aliona leaving has made it easier for me to give up completely!
And lots do watch for the pros, we get to know them over the years and some are more famous now than the Z listers who they pick!!”

Yes, but I wouldnt include Tristan in that
BMLisa
10-03-2016
I'm gutted. No more naughty corner with Tristan and Aliona 😢
Ano
10-03-2016
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“I'm gutted. No more naughty corner with Tristan and Aliona 😢”

When ever their both asked to appear on ITT together they automatically put a smile on my face hmm maybe it's their care free personalities that just work great people.
MaggieMcGee
10-03-2016
Originally Posted by VicsMum:
“It's always good to see good ol' xenophobia making an appearance!”



Kevin's a Northerner so clearly does not speak English. Janette and Karen speaks Americanese rather than English. Joanne speaks at the sound of light unless she's doing choreography corner where she speaks English. Natalie's Australian so her English is off and the less said about Brendan's Kiwi vowels the better. The rest are East European apart from Gio, not sure yet what he is as he's been engaged in food fights.

That leaves Anton. No wonder they can't let him leave! Forsooth.
aggs
10-03-2016
I always rather liked Ola's Polish-meets-Estuary English accent
VicsMum
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“Yes, but I wouldnt include Tristan in that”



Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“

Kevin's a Northerner so clearly does not speak English. Janette and Karen speaks Americanese rather than English. Joanne speaks at the sound of light unless she's doing choreography corner where she speaks English. Natalie's Australian so her English is off and the less said about Brendan's Kiwi vowels the better. The rest are East European apart from Gio, not sure yet what he is as he's been engaged in food fights.

That leaves Anton. No wonder they can't let him leave! Forsooth.”

I think you forgot the fact Tristan speaks Gaelic Irish and we couldn't understand anything he said, with words like craic, fe**, drink and @rse (because if we're going to stereotype we might as well go the full throttle).
aggs
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“Yes, but I wouldnt include Tristan in that”

I get the impression that's just how Tristan wants it
MaggieMcGee
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by VicsMum:
“



I think you forgot the fact Tristan speaks Gaelic Irish and we couldn't understand anything he said, with words like craic, fe**, drink and @rse (because if we're going to stereotype we might as well go the full throttle).”

Well as Tristan was leaving I didn't include him but yes, we may as well assume that most Irish people cannot be understood beyind certain Father Jack expressions.
Chiltons Cane
12-03-2016
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“Yes, but I wouldnt include Tristan in that”

He is in my house
Chiltons Cane
12-03-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“I get the impression that's just how Tristan wants it ”

Yep and thats why we love him!!
Gullible Public
13-03-2016
I can't believe anyone is even remotely surprised - To me at least it poured from his every gland how disinterested he was with the show.

I know some folk took that as a laid back and charming personality, but clearly his actual feelings ran a little deeper than that.
Heatherbell
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by Gullible Public:
“I can't believe anyone is even remotely surprised - To me at least it poured from his every gland how disinterested he was with the show.

I know some folk took that as a laid back and charming personality, but clearly his actual feelings ran a little deeper than that.”

Very good way of putting it . There's laid back and then there's total ennui .Tristan is the latter .He just seemed disinterested in the dancing side of things . Clearly he simply didn't fit, while other dancers fit in fine . Maybe the others comprehend that it isn't a personal showcase for them and understand that compromises need to be made . Very few of us have the luxury of choosing a job that is 100% to our liking . If he thinks all future gigs will be any better suited to his lofty ethics then he might be in for a shock .
Ochre
13-03-2016
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Very good way of putting it . There's laid back and then there's total ennui .Tristan is the latter .He just seemed disinterested in the dancing side of things . Clearly he simply didn't fit, while other dancers fit in fine . Maybe the others comprehend that it isn't a personal showcase for them and understand that compromises need to be made . Very few of us have the luxury of choosing a job that is 100% to our liking . If he thinks all future gigs will be any better suited to his lofty ethics then he might be in for a shock .”

To me Tristan was interested in teaching and dancing, not filming scripted VTs and manoeuvring round props on the dance floor. He would have been a much better fit for the earlier series.

He did work hard with Jamelia and their Charleston was one of my favourite dances of the series. His was a brilliant support to her and kept her smiling through the disheartening experience of being in so many dance offs, keeping her spirits up to work for a performance she could be really proud of in Blackpool. They were hilarious in interviews together.

Of all the pros Tristan seemed the least desirous of making it a personal showcase for him. Strictly does come with a certain level of 'celebrity' for the pros and he clearly doesn't enjoy that side. The demands on family time are huge too, was it Aliona who said you just don't see your family for three months.

There's plenty of work he can do where it's about an authentic performance, his time off stage is then his own and he can walk down the street with his wife without being widely recognised.
Huph
13-03-2016
One person on here seems to have a really low opinion of Tristan. I really do not know how watching him on strictly could provoke such a reaction.
Lou_Black
14-03-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“I think one of the worst things is the way the celebs - and pro's now to some extent - are given thumbnail sketches of their 'character' at the beginning of the series and that defines their time in the show with very little wiggle room for change as the series goes on.

Young, petite actresses who have been in soaps are treated like small children even if, like Tina O'Brien they are parents themselves. Sportsmen are well - sportsmen. Older ladies are either Cougars (pauses to roll eyes) or plucky triers doing it for the over 40/50/60's and so on. It's like they have a cast list of characters and the celebs are picked to fit into that and if they don't fit, then they'll just be hammered into it anyway :cool:”

Nail well and truly on the head.
Polly-T
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by fridgesoup:
“I do agree with everything you say, especially the last part, but just to be pedantic, I'm not sure it's true to say all the departing dancers were unhappy.

The Jordans have tried hard to stir things up and I'm sure there's some underlying truth behind James' frothing at the mouth, but there's also a great deal of ego and posturing to his claims, so I tend to take what he says and halve it! 😏

Tristan, in his own mild mannered but direct way, has been clear about why he wants to leave. When the series finished he seemed still to be mulling things over. He said wtte that the season very long and he needed time to get some perspective back. I guess time with family, impending parenthood and the chance to try other things made him decide the good stuff didn't outweigh the bad, so, fair enough, but I don't think he was scathing....

Kristina? I might have missed it, but did she say she was unhappy? Seems to me it just ran it's course for her and another chapter of her life was starting.

Aliona hasn't griped about anything, just said it was too time consuming, given she'd like to start a family. In fact she said if it was possible to do it and have a couple of days off a week, she'd have liked to have stayed.

I do think there are problems TPTB need to pay attention to (and that's irrespective of how successful the show is), but I'm not sure I buy the idea that all the pros are miserable.”

Totally agree with everything you say.
Jordans are seeking publicity and have let themselves down.- IMO
Tristan did not slate the program me - just said it wasn't for him.
BIB1 - I think Kristina may have been a bit critical in her magazine piece (in Hello or OK)
BIB2 -Aliona certainly did not criticize the program me - said she would miss SCD but wanted to devote time to personal and family matters (understandable after spending 25 years in the world of dance). She was totally and unfairly misquoted by the tabloids.

That said there appeared to be some issue between the judges and TPTB about dance-off decisions. (Peter v Jamelia - Kellie v Peter ) I have also never seen them act so negatively in a final before. So hopefully that will be sorted out in this year series as if the public suspect 'fixing' (obvious fixing) then the viewing figures will fall just like X Factor
Polly-T
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by Huph:
“One person on here seems to have a really low opinion of Tristan. I really do not know how watching him on strictly could provoke such a reaction.”

Oh 'par for the course' - best ignored
Heavenly
16-03-2016
Originally Posted by Gullible Public:
“I can't believe anyone is even remotely surprised - To me at least it poured from his every gland how disinterested he was with the show.

I know some folk took that as a laid back and charming personality, but clearly his actual feelings ran a little deeper than that.”

This ^^

Disappointed to see him go but watching him on ITT last series, he was refreshing and very funny, and did not tow the party line at all.

I wish him well
lemonnlime09
18-03-2016
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Very good way of putting it . There's laid back and then there's total ennui .Tristan is the latter .He just seemed disinterested in the dancing side of things . Clearly he simply didn't fit, while other dancers fit in fine . Maybe the others comprehend that it isn't a personal showcase for them and understand that compromises need to be made . Very few of us have the luxury of choosing a job that is 100% to our liking . If he thinks all future gigs will be any better suited to his lofty ethics then he might be in for a shock .”

Well said
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