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Old 07-03-2016, 18:55
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Apparently you will have to wait for confirmation from another source, ...the BBC, Chris etc, to confirm PC's statement. Or would you still not be convinced?
Depends on whether he stays or leaves doesn't it.

If he stays then that proves that it was his decision all along.

If however he does leave then I think we'll never know, because if it was suggested he go, but an agreement put in place that he would be allowed to say he was asked to say, then of course when asked, anyone, be it Moffat, Chibnall or an official bbc source, they would all stick to that agreement and say it was his decision even if it wasn't.

Mullet pointed out that sort of secret deal was offered to Colin Baker, so it's not as though I'm completely crazy in being suspicious of the lead actor confirming details of things that are not yet finalized, when they never usually do that in new who.
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Old 07-03-2016, 18:59
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It may be that Capaldi stays for part of series 11. That way, Chibnall can change the direction of the show and have a new companion, but there will be continuity for the initial 4-5 episodes with Capaldi as the doctor. It means his series will have a regeneration half-way through, making it unique in modern who.
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Old 07-03-2016, 19:06
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I like that he has the decision but I'm still convinced that Chibnall's era will be a fresh start.
Moffat said the total reboot and evreything new was very, very difficult..and would not wish it on who came after him.
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Old 07-03-2016, 19:30
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Moffat said the total reboot and evreything new was very, very difficult..and would not wish it on who came after him.
And Moffat's the one who has been in talks with Chibnall about the showrunning, so I imagine he's advised Chibnall to keep Capaldi if he can.

Chibnall doesn't strike me as 100% confident about taking over the show (you have to sympathise, it's going to be difficult for him) so I wouldn't rule out the idea of him wanting something from Moffat's era to make the transition easier, and with the acclaim Capaldi has earned he might like the idea.
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Old 07-03-2016, 19:34
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PC has been VERY open with the fact they might let him go when he was told it might be his last season...so makes little sense now he would try to hide the fact now..

Personally I hope he stays to debunk the ridiculous "3 yr rule" and that you have to leave with the showrunner.
I couldn't agree with this more. The 'three season' formality is totally groundless. A piece of received wisdom long past its sell by date.

I've not quite been able to understand why some people think Chibnall / the BBC would be keen to start over with someone new. As if Chibnall's job won't be hard enough, people think he would want to begin his run by casting a new Doctor, rather than ease in gently?
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Old 07-03-2016, 19:35
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And Moffat's the one who has been in talks with Chibnall about the showrunning, so I imagine he's advised Chibnall to keep Capaldi if he can.

Chibnall doesn't strike me as 100% confident about taking over the show (you have to sympathise, it's going to be difficult for him) so I wouldn't rule out the idea of him wanting something from Moffat's era to make the transition easier, and with the acclaim Capaldi has earned he might like the idea.
Yup, this is a very likely senario.

Moffat wanted DT to stay for the transition
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Old 07-03-2016, 19:52
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I couldn't agree with this more. The 'three season' formality is totally groundless. A piece of received wisdom long past its sell by date.

I've not quite been able to understand why some people think Chibnall / the BBC would be keen to start over with someone new. As if Chibnall's job won't be hard enough, people think he would want to begin his run by casting a new Doctor, rather than ease in gently?
I suppose if you buy into the notion that series 9 is massively less of a success than it actually is then it's understandable why you'd also think the BBC would be keen on a fresh start. Since I don't buy into that, I don't believe assumptions about what the BBC wants are correct either. Series 9 has been well received (if not quite to the ecstatic levels of 10's era) and lessons learned. The show is still a success.

If Chibbers is feeling the slightest bit trepidatious (and who wouldn't be, in his position, except an idiot) it makes sense he'd want the comfort of not having to start from scratch.

And to address doctor blue box's remark: I'd say most of the people don't particularly associate PC with SM, only with stories they either enjoyed or didn't enjoy. It's just more of those who dislike SM's work projecting their opinion onto the audience at large and then speculations of motivation and machinations.
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Old 07-03-2016, 20:01
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I've not quite been able to understand why some people think Chibnall / the BBC would be keen to start over with someone new.
I'm quite skeptical on this myself, as the BBC often seem more reluctant on embracing change than the show itself (which would be why they've been keeping Moffat on and why they wanted to cancel the show after Tennant and RTD left) and they don't exactly seem displeased with the show's performance currently.
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Old 07-03-2016, 20:02
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Moffat said the total reboot and evreything new was very, very difficult..and would not wish it on who came after him.
Indeed and I personally find this constant need for the show to keep reinventing itself just because 'it can' to be rather tiresome. For we all know Chibnall may also be involved with discussions and casting for the new companion so that he/she/it can stay on for more than one series too.
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Old 07-03-2016, 20:16
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Indeed and I personally find this constant need for the show to keep reinventing itself just because 'it can' to be rather tiresome. For we all know Chibnall may also be involved with discussions and casting for the new companion so that he/she/it can stay on for more than one series too.

Nice catch! He very well might be,
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Old 07-03-2016, 20:27
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Indeed and I personally find this constant need for the show to keep reinventing itself just because 'it can' to be rather tiresome. .
I absolutely agree with this too. In fact though, this is rather a universal cultural trend currently and so is inevitably going to be exaggerated in a show that already had periodic change as a staple.

But it's become a meta subject entirely in its own right now: the ongoing story of Doctor Who the real-world television show, running parallel to the fictional Doctor Who narrative (although judging by Mark Gattis' 'Adventure in Time and Space' the meta fiction is at least as fictional as the 'in universe' one).
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Old 07-03-2016, 20:39
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Apparently you will have to wait for confirmation from another source, ...the BBC, Chris etc, to confirm PC's statement. Or would you still not be convinced?
As always, I will be waiting for the Private Eye version of events 😀
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Old 07-03-2016, 20:49
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It may be that Capaldi stays for part of series 11. That way, Chibnall can change the direction of the show and have a new companion, but there will be continuity for the initial 4-5 episodes with Capaldi as the doctor. It means his series will have a regeneration half-way through, making it unique in modern who.
It would be interesting to see a regeneration part way through a series. When it's always the same man I never understand why there has to be this insistence on the doctor always changing at the end of the series or Christmas special and starting at the start of a series or Christmas special. Such an event as a mid series regeneration would be fresh and a shake up of the format in itself. Plus it would certainly elimate the perceived 'mid series ratings dip' which are said to occur.

Moffat said the total reboot and evreything new was very, very difficult..and would not wish it on who came after him.
That may be so, but he can only advise. If Chibnall has a good plan that involves starting with a fresh doctor, then he will go with it. Similarly, if it is in Capaldi's hands whether to stay or go, and he chooses to go then Chibnall would have no choice to start with a new doctor anyway even if he had wanted Capaldi.
I suppose if you buy into the notion that series 9 is massively less of a success than it actually is then it's understandable why you'd also think the BBC would be keen on a fresh start. Since I don't buy into that, I don't believe assumptions about what the BBC wants are correct either. Series 9 has been well received (if not quite to the ecstatic levels of 10's era) and lessons learned. The show is still a success.

If Chibbers is feeling the slightest bit trepidatious (and who wouldn't be, in his position, except an idiot) it makes sense he'd want the comfort of not having to start from scratch.

And to address doctor blue box's remark: I'd say most of the people don't particularly associate PC with SM, only with stories they either enjoyed or didn't enjoy. It's just more of those who dislike SM's work projecting their opinion onto the audience at large and then speculations of motivation and machinations.
I'm not talking about certain fans who hate all of Moffats work. I'm talking about the type of casual viewer who doesn't like the moffat era without even knowing anything about showrunners or why it has changed or even knowing Moffats name.

That sort of person would only know that they have liked the show less since Smith, and tried again when Capaldi started, but still disliked it, so that person who knows nothing about showrunners looks at the series 11 promo's, see's it's still Capaldi in the role, and as such thinks nothing has changed as so does not even give Chibnall's era, which they might have been big fans of, a chance in the first place.
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Old 07-03-2016, 20:57
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As always, I will be waiting for the Private Eye version of events 😀
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Old 07-03-2016, 21:04
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As always, I will be waiting for the Private Eye version of events 😀
They were certainly on the money for 'no full series in 2016'.
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Old 07-03-2016, 21:09
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Regarding your first paragraph, I'm inclined to agree. I get that impression also, as he is just too associated with Moffat. .
If a Doctor was associated with Moffat, then it's Matt's Doctor. Matt Smith was an unknown made famous by the show, who's 4 years were very Moffaty, and were filled with Moffat style timey-wimey plotlines, the relationship with River and the Silence, which covered his entire time. Similarly, David's Doctor is the one most associated with RTD.

Peter is much more of a "Classic Doctor" his key enemies have been the likes of Missy/Master, Davros, Cybermen etc. His 2 series have been far less timey-wimey too. His Doctor would easily work with a different showrunner.
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Old 07-03-2016, 21:40
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This story is trending on Facebook LOL
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Old 07-03-2016, 21:45
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This story is trending on Facebook LOL
Good thing I don't have Facebook anymore, it's probably full of comments like "Bring back Tennant it's not Doctor Who without him" or "Capaldi is too old, ew" :P
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Old 07-03-2016, 21:46
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Good thing I don't have Facebook anymore, it's probably full of comments like "Bring back Tennant it's not Doctor Who without him" or "Capaldi is too old, ew" :P
So true, that sounds like the FB crowd.
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Old 07-03-2016, 22:26
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If a Doctor was associated with Moffat, then it's Matt's Doctor. Matt Smith was an unknown made famous by the show, who's 4 years were very Moffaty, and were filled with Moffat style timey-wimey plotlines, the relationship with River and the Silence, which covered his entire time. Similarly, David's Doctor is the one most associated with RTD.

Peter is much more of a "Classic Doctor" his key enemies have been the likes of Missy/Master, Davros, Cybermen etc. His 2 series have been far less timey-wimey too. His Doctor would easily work with a different showrunner.
Smith and Capaldi are both associated with Moffat's style of who.

Like I said in a previous post, even if you knew nothing of show runners or behind the scene's stuff but weren't the type to like Moffat's style, all you'd know is that you didn't like the show so much with Smith, then they would have probably tried it again with Capaldi but still not liked it. As a person like that, going into series 11, if it were still Capaldi, that is all that would be apparent to you and news of a new showrunner would go completely over your head and as such you wouldn't even try series 11.

A new doctor by comparison, would give every casual viewer or anyone who has ever had an interest a reason to give it a new try.
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Old 07-03-2016, 22:27
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I am certainly glad that the idea of keeping him on board has gained more media traction today, rather than the constant quitting claims. My interest in Series 11 will personally go up significantly if Capaldi is involved.

I went to the DVD signing in Oxford Street today, was one of the last people to go through and got a surprisingly good chat in with him (not your full blown conversation, but for these kinds of things it was rather generous). Lovely man, and he said he'd see what he could do about staying on for as long as possible so I could queue up again in a year or two from now for him
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Old 07-03-2016, 22:28
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Good thing I don't have Facebook anymore, it's probably full of comments like "Bring back Tennant it's not Doctor Who without him" or "Capaldi is too old, ew" :P
I'm not on facebook either, but I'm sure it's got it's share of obsessive Moffat fanboys also.
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Old 07-03-2016, 22:33
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I'm not on facebook either, but I'm sure it's got it's share of obsessive Moffat fanboys also.
It did, but whether obsessive fanboy or just somebody handing out the slightest positive comment on Moffat's Who, they had a barrage of people sneering at them and telling them true Doctor Who fans know that Moffat is terrible.

I don't know if you view Kasterborous, but they recently had an article about what Doctor Who fanpages on Facebook are like. Hint: they destroy brain cells.
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Old 07-03-2016, 22:44
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It did, but whether obsessive fanboy or just somebody handing out the slightest positive comment on Moffat's Who, they had a barrage of people sneering at them and telling them true Doctor Who fans know that Moffat is terrible.

I don't know if you view Kasterborous, but they recently had an article about what Doctor Who fanpages on Facebook are like. Hint: they destroy brain cells.
I think most public area's of the internet are have that problem to be fair, which is why I only join in on this forum where I know it's mostly dedicated fans who mostly understand how to have a proper conversation and back up why they have the opinions they do.

As someone who much more enjoyed the show under RTD, even I roll my eye's at the type of people who would write things like 'Moffat is bad, just 'cause he is' or some such. Similarly though you get the same sort of thing idiotically attacking RTD in the same sort of way from the Moffat fans.
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Old 08-03-2016, 00:10
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I am certainly glad that the idea of keeping him on board has gained more media traction today, rather than the constant quitting claims. My interest in Series 11 will personally go up significantly if Capaldi is involved.

I went to the DVD signing in Oxford Street today, was one of the last people to go through and got a surprisingly good chat in with him (not your full blown conversation, but for these kinds of things it was rather generous). Lovely man, and he said he'd see what he could do about staying on for as long as possible so I could queue up again in a year or two from now for him
oh, you actually asked him about it?
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