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It would be interesting to see a regeneration part way through a series. When it's always the same man I never understand why there has to be this insistence on the doctor always changing at the end of the series or Christmas special and starting at the start of a series or Christmas special. Such an event as a mid series regeneration would be fresh and a shake up of the format in itself. Plus it would certainly elimate the perceived 'mid series ratings dip' which are said to occur.
That may be so, but he can only advise. If Chibnall has a good plan that involves starting with a fresh doctor, then he will go with it. Similarly, if it is in Capaldi's hands whether to stay or go, and he chooses to go then Chibnall would have no choice to start with a new doctor anyway even if he had wanted Capaldi. I'm not talking about certain fans who hate all of Moffats work. I'm talking about the type of casual viewer who doesn't like the moffat era without even knowing anything about showrunners or why it has changed or even knowing Moffats name. That sort of person would only know that they have liked the show less since Smith, and tried again when Capaldi started, but still disliked it, so that person who knows nothing about showrunners looks at the series 11 promo's, see's it's still Capaldi in the role, and as such thinks nothing has changed as so does not even give Chibnall's era, which they might have been big fans of, a chance in the first place. |
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It may be that Capaldi stays for part of series 11. That way, Chibnall can change the direction of the show and have a new companion, but there will be continuity for the initial 4-5 episodes with Capaldi as the doctor. It means his series will have a regeneration half-way through, making it unique in modern who.
It was pointed out to me that there were a couple of times in 20th century DW where a regeneration didn't actually end a series, (Hartnell to Troughton and Davison to C Baker IIRC) but I don't really count that as there wasn't much with the new Doctor. Let PC do the first third of the series say, with a big build-up to a regeneration, and the new guy then carries on with still a good number of episodes left to establish himself with the audience. Best of all worlds IMO, and would generate enormous interest.
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Absolutely, I said that in another thread, that it would be good to change Doctors part way through a series, which i thought had never been done before.
It was pointed out to me that there were a couple of times in 20th century DW where a regeneration didn't actually end a series, (Hartnell to Troughton and Davison to C Baker IIRC) but I don't really count that! Let PC do the first few episodes, with a big build-up to a regeneration and the new guy then carries on. Best of all worlds IMO, and would generate enormous interest. ![]() So double the work load writing for 2 doctors(one brand new) , doubt it. I think PC is referring to the whoooole series. |
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OK, not the best wording, and it's up to PC if he's happy to just do part of a series of course!
I think it would work well if all the parties were willing, I don't see that it would be any more work for the writers and producers. It's the same amount of material. I was still editing my post slightly and re-saved it after it was quoted BTW, which is why the quoted version differs a bit from the original post now.
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oh, you actually asked him about it?
![]() I kind of just made my comments as more of a complimentary gesture... like, you know you have to stay in the show as long as possible because you're awesome, right? It was all in light-hearted jest. We actually talked about our shared interest in David Bowie more than anything else - not remotely Who-related but that didn't bother me.
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Sounds like he won't to be returning to me. You either want to, or you are just stalling the inevitable.
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Sounds like he won't to be returning to me. You either want to, or you are just stalling the inevitable.
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?. If he does not want to return then why wouldnt he just tell them that now? It would be a lot easier for the showrunners to plan ahead
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For me, reading between the lines, the offer was a perfunctory platitude. If you want to stay , thats fine. kind of thing.
I would imagine that its not down to Chibnall wholly. and he would have to have the BBC bosses support. For Capaldi, I can only imagine that if the enthusiasm proffered, was not wholeheartedly engaged, then he may well and is likely to say, No, I`ll not renegotiate the one year extension on my initial two year deal. |
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Well because he hasn't properly decided, but from experience when you are unsure whether to do something, it means your heart isn't properly in it. And you will eventually come to the realisation to not do it.
For all we know as well, they've decided to pursue this rather open discussion about it as a means of seeing if there's a common fan or media consensus as to what people actually want (which seems very distinctly to be in support of keeping him on board). |
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Sadly, I fear the show's ratings will continue to decline if he stays on and Chris Chibnall's relaunch will stumble at the first hurdle. I realise how popular Peter Capaldi is with many Doctor Who fans and forum members here, but there is a lot of evidence to suggest that isn't the case with viewers more generally.
It is also worth noting that Colin Baker is on record stating the BBC offered him the chance back in 1986 to release a statement saying he had decided to quit the show rather than it be publicly confirmed he had been asked to leave. |
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Exactly my point. You repeated it for me. It's the stories that type viewer either did or didn't like (and associate with the actor portraying the Doctor), not the name of the showrunner era.
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If the BBC has been saying to PC <shrug>. "Well, stay if you want to, we don't mind." then it's probably just a negotiating position - to keep his contract costs as low as they can. And his "Well, I'm not sure if I want to stay or not" is the appropriate negotiating response.
It's a game of chicken which will take a while yet to resolve. I wouldn't expect any certainty about PC in S11 for many months yet. |
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Interesting that Peter's previous character Malcolm Tucker repeatedly orchestrated such announcements. In fact his very first scene deals with getting an incumbent minister to leave gracefully.
It's surprising to me that some people believe everything that is told to them, and don't even see the possibility that there might be more to something than meets the eye. Again not saying it is defintely case, but if he has been suggested to go, and they have agreed that he and everyone else will say it his choice (even letting him make 'I'm deciding' comments before an official announcement) then to me I would actually see that as being respectful of Capaldi, sort of saying, we want to bring in a new guy, but we respect you enough to not want to make your departure in any way embarassing. |
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But then you must also see my point. If someone hated the general tone of most episodes when Smith took over, so stopped watching, then again tried with Capaldi (having no idea behind the scenes was the same) but because it was the same old regime they found that on the whole they still didn't like what the show was now and so stopped watching again, the only thing that would entice that viewer to try again is the announcement of a new doctor.
And you also seem to be assuming that many of those watching didn't like the stories in the MS/PC tenure (or, as the fans know, the SM era). Plenty of those watching enjoyed those stories, but not as many as during DT's era (though there were other factors affecting S9's audience figures too). |
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Another point that occurs to me is that series 10 must surely have been written by now. That means either he is definitely leaving/staying already (but in that scenario most likely going if he is lying about deciding things) or he genuinely is deciding and they are holding off any potential regeneration story until christmas 2017 to give him time to decide.
Basically what I'm saying is that if his 'deciding' is just PR lie's then he may well regenerate at the series 10 finale, christmas 2017, or not at all. But, if he is telling the truth and still deciding, I would think the earliest regeneration time possible (if he decided to go) could only be christmas 2017 |
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Fine with that. But you made your point originally by linking to SM.
And you also seem to be assuming that many of those watching didn't like the stories in MS/PC tenure (or, as the fans know, the SM era). Plenty of those watching enjoyed those stories, but not as many as during DT's era (though there were other factors affecting S9's audience figures too). |
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Ive never really understood why its seen to be the actor's decision.
Clearly there are other elements to take into consideration such as how the BBC are feeling with regards to the success of the programme lately... whether they feel that Peter has been well enough received in the role etc. How well the programme is performing overseas.... many variables. 3 years is a very respectable (in the modern era) tenure anyway - so it doesnt feel to wrong if he left at the end of series 10. If the BBC, or Chris Chibnall wanted him to leave then thats what would happen. The thing that didnt sit right at all was Jenna's departure. It was overtly obvious that she was supposed to be going at the end of series 8 and the Christmas Special... but apparently 'she decided to stay on'. Arguably that was the wrong choice (in my opinion) as a new companion was needed to re-invogorate things and give Peter Capaldi a new dynamic. Instead we ended up with an immortal running around space and time in her own Tardis (whether you like that story line or not )
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Indeed, and although that show may be fictional, it was a satire of the kind of things that go on in the real world.
It's surprising to me that some people believe everything that is told to them, and don't even see the possibility that there might be more to something than meets the eye. If this was DT or Smith saying this. woud it be questioned? Remember, Moffar didnt want a new doc when he started, but he had no choice. DT quit.. So, no idea why people are assuming CC wants one. |
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But. you have the other side of the coin of people beleiving things are conspiracy or not "whatt they seem".... Heck maybe..CC actually wants PC to stay on with him
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?. If he does not want to return then why wouldnt he just tell them that now? It would be a lot easier for the showrunners to plan ahead
Who is the new companion? Are they going to be Series 10 only or long term? Capaldi may want to work with the new companion a bit before committing to 2 or more series' with them. He may be waiting on Chibnall giving him a rundown of Series 11, Tennant didn't fully make up his mind about leaving until after Moffat had told him what he had planned for Series 5. |
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Ive never really understood why its seen to be the actor's decision.
Clearly there are other elements to take into consideration such as how the BBC are feeling with regards to the success of the programme lately... whether they feel that Peter has been well enough received in the role etc. How well the programme is performing overseas.... many variables. 3 years is a very respectable (in the modern era) tenure anyway - so it doesnt feel to wrong if he left at the end of series 10. If the BBC, or Chris Chibnall wanted him to leave then thats what would happen. The thing that didnt sit right at all was Jenna's departure. It was overtly obvious that she was supposed to be going at the end of series 8 and the Christmas Special... but apparently 'she decided to stay on'. Arguably that was the wrong choice (in my opinion) as a new companion was needed to re-invogorate things and give Peter Capaldi a new dynamic. Instead we ended up with an immortal running around space and time in her own Tardis (whether you like that story line or not )Jenna even had that film part lined up (in Me before You, hence being absent for The Woman who Lived) and went straight from DW to filming Victoria so it's not as if she stayed because she couldn't get other work. |
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Actually I'm still not convinced Capaldi will do Series 11. For the longest time we thought/assumed that Tennant would do Series 5 and Smith Series 8 before both actors announced their exits and I really do think it benefits Chibnall and the series to have a total hard reboot. Series 10 should be a soft one - return to Spring, new companion but Series 11 should be a hard reboot - new showrunner, Doctor, companion, everything.
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Another point that occurs to me is that series 10 must surely have been written by now. That means either he is definitely leaving/staying already (but in that scenario most likely going if he is lying about deciding things) or he genuinely is deciding and they are holding off any potential regeneration story until christmas 2017 to give him time to decide.
Basically what I'm saying is that if his 'deciding' is just PR lie's then he may well regenerate at the series 10 finale, christmas 2017, or not at all. But, if he is telling the truth and still deciding, I would think the earliest regeneration time possible (if he decided to go) could only be christmas 2017 Of course, series 10 may revert to the 13 episodes that we used to get until the Capaldi era. However if it's just the 12, and if Moffat writes the Christmas Special for 2017, it does mean a little bit of extra leeway for Capaldi and Chibnall to decide what's going to happen. The other thing is - if Capaldi decides to leave at the end of series 10, then I imagine there'd be more likelihood of the new companion staying on for at least some of series 11. |
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Actually I'm still not convinced Capaldi will do Series 11. For the longest time we thought/assumed that Tennant would do Series 5 and Smith Series 8 before both actors announced their exits and I really do think it benefits Chibnall and the series to have a total hard reboot. Series 10 should be a soft one - return to Spring, new companion but Series 11 should be a hard reboot - new showrunner, Doctor, companion, everything.
I quite like it when we get a companion span a regeneration. We've not really had that since Rose.... I don't count Clara (though I should) but she was so embroiled in the Doctor's life having 'met' his other selves that a regeneration shouldn't have phased her (even though it did and that made no sense )
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It was all in light-hearted jest. We actually talked about our shared interest in David Bowie more than anything else - not remotely Who-related but that didn't bother me. 
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