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Capaldi says he has been asked to STAY on DW...(but has not decided) |
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Actually, Season 17, his second-to-last, was his highest rating series and I believe of the entire classic run.
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My argument was that you chose to believe one statement from Capaldi but now are choosing not believe another.
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I wonder if "@GirlyLetters" is aware of the lie in William Hartnell's announced departure? Or the lie Colin Baker refused to go along with? Or the lie about Christopher Eccleston leaving the "happy ship" because he feared typecasting?
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That is allowed, you know. It's a sign of not mindlessly believing everything I'm told by a heavily PR-managed television corporation and those who work for and negotiate with it.
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I don't think anyone is thinking that's a foregone conclusion that Capaldi will now be staying for series 11. I think people are well aware that having a discussion about staying on is not the same as signing a contract.
I dare say that discussions and negotiations are ongoing and will no doubt involve pots of gold and shiny pebbles changing hands and Capaldi will probably want some discussions with Chibnall and his vision for the show before committing. He said himself that he's undecided yet, but for me what sticks in my throat is the sudden accusation that Capaldi is lying about being offered to continue in the role to either cover his own back or play the BBC PR game. Alternatively, if Peter were to say he doesn't know whether he's wanted (his position from last year), that would also suggest a show in crisis as he comes back from a hiatus to be put on trial. (1986 all over again.) His most recent statement really is in the best interests of all concerned, regardless of how true it is. |
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It is a bit routine in the acting world too. People are hired and dropped at every level from extras to stars. I would imagine actors are always given the option of a dignified departure and its up to them whether or not they take it.
I think this will be a first when an actor has come out said that he's had discussions to continue in the role, only to be covering up that he's been axed. It will certainly be a first if they manage to cover up this deception for 18+ months. But who nose..? |
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Let's imagine Capaldi has been told his services won't be required. If he were to come out and say that, the tabloids would be full of stories about him being AXED! Which would place the show in severe crisis with a hiatus and an AXED star. It would then appear that the BBC is losing faith in the show.
Alternatively, if Peter were to say he doesn't know whether he's wanted (his position from last year), that would also suggest a show in crisis as he comes back from a hiatus to be put on trial. (1986 all over again.) His most recent statement really is in the best interests of all concerned, regardless of how true it is. |
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And his final season? I don't see where I got anything wrong.
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You see it quite often in soaps but it's usually quite obvious when someone has been axed because they start issuing statements such as "the producers and me agreed by mutual consent" or "we both decided that the characters story was complete".
I think this will be a first when an actor has come out said that he's had discussions to continue in the role, only to be covering up that he's been axed. It will certainly be a first if they manage to cover up this deception for 18+ months. But who nose..? With Capaldi, were talking about an actor who is contracted for at least another year. It's in nobody's interests for him to spend that time carrying the stigma of an axed actor. |
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And you once again ignored my point about Moffat playing his role of a happy captain whilst Gatiss makes personal remarks about happy slaves...
Moffat clearly isn't going to announce how much he hates working on the show or that he can't wait to leave because that would be unprofessional but he may well have a grumble about it to friends. So Gatiss's comment on twitter really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. |
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With Capaldi, were talking about an actor who is contracted for at least another year. It's in nobody's interests for him to spend that time carrying the stigma of an axed actor.
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Yes, exactly. And as lots of other forum members have already posted here in this thread, there are at least three examples we know of where the actor playing the Doctor has been offered the chance to claim it was their choice to leave when it wasn't. So I'm a bit mystified why there is such a strong feeling that this couldn't possibly be the situation with Peter Capaldi. I'm not saying it definitely is the case, but it certainly could be.
But it is a useful reminder as to why I usually limit my exposure to these forums these days as the opportunities for reasoned debate and discussion seem minimal in comparison to those who just enjoy throwing around childish insults and belittling others who dare to disagree with them. |
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I still find it hard to imagine that Capaldi is lying but I wouldn't put it past certain higher ups to be lying to him or if series 10 turns out to be a flop and circumstances change then the offers are hastily withdrawn.
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Given how loyal and above and beyond generous this man has been to fans...I highly doubt he'd bold face lie to them either. BBC or no BBC.
Oh no that's right, he either said nothing on the subject or came out with things like 'that's not what I've been told' so he didn't have to admit the truth of the matter. |
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Yeah because he revealed to us all that there would be no series in 2016 didn't he?.
Sounds like this comes down to that you dont think they could not possibly even want to keep him, so it;s not true, DT and MS were so popular and wonderful how could they not want to keep them. But PC... |
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Yeah because he revealed to us all that there would be no series in 2016 didn't he?.
Oh no that's right, he either said nothing on the subject or came out with things like 'that's not what I've been told' so he didn't have to admit the truth of the matter. |
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Yeah because he revealed to us all that there would be no series in 2016 didn't he?.
Oh no that's right, he either said nothing on the subject or came out with things like 'that's not what I've been told' so he didn't have to admit the truth of the matter. |
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Moff and Peter were totally truthful about S10, in that they would FILM a full series in 2016, which is entirely correct.
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But the crucial point that you seem to be missing in all of this is that he. didn't. lie. Are you seriously telling me that you can't see the difference between the evasive way he answered the question about the filming of series 10 (and really it's not his place to be saying when the series will be broadcast anyway) and the very firm and definite way he now says that he's had discussions about series 11?
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I think that's rather unfair. It's not his place as an employee, and he is obviously, to come out with stuff that hasn't been announced. Indeed, it would be unprofessional. All Capaldi reacted to was the question that the next series would be halved episode wise...and he confirmed he had been contracted for a full run for Series 10.
It indeed would be unprofessional to comment on information about the show that has not been released, like saying they'd offered you another series when nothing had yet been finalised on whether you were actually doing it, unless of course you had the bbc's backing to do so as it was all part of some bigger PR plan to control perception and not actually the truth. |
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But the crucial point that you seem to be missing in all of this is that he. didn't. lie. Are you seriously telling me that you can't see the difference between the evasive way he answered the question about the filming of series 10 (and really it's not his place to be saying when the series will be broadcast anyway) and the very firm and definite way he now says that he's had discussions about series 11?
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That's exactly my point about the whole subject of this thread.
. You are saying he is maybe(?) telling a bold face lie to deceive fans and press and "spin" the situation to make him and BBC look better and for him to do a cover up of his own "Non-renewal". Thats a pretty heavy judgement on character. this guy has not told a bold face lie about anyhing regarding this show. So all of a sudden..? |
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For some reason, I’m not allowed to tell you exactly...
Capaldi is probably the most honest we can hope one to be in his situation.
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Moff and Peter were totally truthful about S10, in that they would FILM a full series in 2016, which is entirely correct.
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I think the poster was saying PC was not lying then, so why he be lying now. lol
You are saying he is maybe(?) telling a bold face lie to deceive fans and press and "spin" the situation to make him and BBC look better and for him to do a cover up of his own "Non-renewal". Thats a pretty heavy judgement on character. this guy has not told a bold face lie about anyhing regarding this show. So all of a sudden..? I've put it to you time and time again over the course of this thread that I just can't understand why the bbc, and those involved in production would go against their usual action of not releasing any information about the show, or what people may or may not have been offered until deals have been done and things are confirmed. Every time I bring this up, you seem to ignore it, as though you don't have an answer. I've kept asking it because it is the main thing that has made me suspicious more than any judgement on Capaldi or his character. Even if it turns out that he does stay on for series 11, and it indeed was his decision all along, I will still wonder why they strangely, and completely unusually allowed him to talk about it now. |
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You see it quite often in soaps but it's usually quite obvious when someone has been axed because they start issuing statements such as "the producers and me agreed by mutual consent" or "we both decided that the characters story was complete".
I think this will be a first when an actor has come out said that he's had discussions to continue in the role, only to be covering up that he's been axed. It will certainly be a first if they manage to cover up this deception for 18+ months. But who nose..?
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