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Old 22-03-2016, 11:38
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He was awful when he came back, no part of Denver's championship can be attributed to Manning.

His playoff line was a painful 51/92 (a 55% completion percentage) for just 539 yards with 2 TDs and (insanely flukily) 1 INT.

That's a QB rating across the three games of 75.4. That would have put him 32nd out of qualifying QBs in the regular season (although it was I suppose marginally better than the 67.9 rating he threw up in the regular season which itself was 35th and last among qualifying QBs).

The proof of how bad he was in the playoffs is there for all to see as no team will touch him with a barge pole this season and he has had no choice but to call time on his career.
Yes he was awful, I didn't really say he wasn't. The Broncos played much better with him as QB though, perhaps it was confidence, but it was plain to see.
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Old 22-03-2016, 19:40
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Yes he was awful, I didn't really say he wasn't. The Broncos played much better with him as QB though, perhaps it was confidence, but it was plain to see.
It makes no sense to me to claim that Denver's D-Line went into collective beastmode because there was a different QB running the offence. ESPN talking heads might try and pretend Peyton has magical powers but it's just not real.
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Old 22-03-2016, 19:42
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interesting story here , i thought it might be MLB that tried to break into the chinese market first

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...ame-china-2018
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Old 23-03-2016, 01:19
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interesting story here , i thought it might be MLB that tried to break into the chinese market first

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...ame-china-2018
They've tried before, there was supposed to be a Pats game years ago, but it got delayed and delayed and eventually cancelled.
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Old 23-03-2016, 03:53
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Yes he was awful, I didn't really say he wasn't. The Broncos played much better with him as QB though, perhaps it was confidence, but it was plain to see.
Presumably they felt they had to play him for salary reasons anyway. Would have looked mad if Peyton had got a $2 million bonus for Denver winning the AFC & a $2 million bonus for winning the Superbowl if he hadn't played.
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Old 23-03-2016, 08:48
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It makes no sense to me to claim that Denver's D-Line went into collective beastmode because there was a different QB running the offence. ESPN talking heads might try and pretend Peyton has magical powers but it's just not real.
Well the Broncos management for one thought he was the best choice.
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Old 25-03-2016, 08:20
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Old 25-03-2016, 08:32
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RG3 has signed a 2 year deal with the Browns

Wonder if they'll be able to rejuvenate him

Need to make sure he's fully fit though


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...rivate-workout
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Old 25-03-2016, 09:09
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Excuse me?
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Old 25-03-2016, 09:44
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RG3 has signed a 2 year deal with the Browns

Wonder if they'll be able to rejuvenate him

Need to make sure he's fully fit though


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...rivate-workout
I hope they can. Good for the league if he can come back to his rookie season form
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Old 16-04-2016, 07:15
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The Titans have traded their Number 1 pick with the Rams

Seems a good move for both teams

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-for-no-1-pick


More big news this week with the schedule release

Opening game is a Superbowl repeat (first time this has happened) with the Broncos entertaining the Panthers
Patriots go to the Cardinals

Some big games on opening weekend
http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2016/REG1

London Games :

.As part of last night’s unveiling of the 2016 NFL schedule, the following kickoff times were confirmed:

October 2: Indianapolis Colts at Jacksonville Jaguars, Wembley, 2.30 p.m.
October 23: New York Giants at Los Angeles Rams, Twickenham, 2.30 p.m.
October 30: Washington Redskins at Cincinnati Bengals, Wembley, 1.30 p.m.

All games will be 9.30 a.m. ET kickoffs in the United States, with broadcast details to be confirmed.
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Old 16-04-2016, 12:31
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Rams gambling a lot on Goff or Wentz being good enough to justify all the picks they've given up. I hardly follow the college game so have no idea whether it's a reasonable gamble but it's a bit of a surprise as everything I've heard about those two is that they aren't considered can't miss prospects. This isn't like trading up to get Andrew Luck.
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Old 16-04-2016, 21:24
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Rams gambling a lot on Goff or Wentz being good enough to justify all the picks they've given up. I hardly follow the college game so have no idea whether it's a reasonable gamble but it's a bit of a surprise as everything I've heard about those two is that they aren't considered can't miss prospects. This isn't like trading up to get Andrew Luck.
i might have the wrong guy but i think wentz is the QB who has been playing in the second level of the college game, but putting up amazing numbers, and the issue is that they aren't sure just how good he could be because of not playing against the top programmes

on his numbers alone he could be exceptional but the question is how skewed are those numbers because of the level of competition he has achieved them against
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Old 17-04-2016, 09:52
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Rams gambling a lot on Goff or Wentz being good enough to justify all the picks they've given up. I hardly follow the college game so have no idea whether it's a reasonable gamble but it's a bit of a surprise as everything I've heard about those two is that they aren't considered can't miss prospects. This isn't like trading up to get Andrew Luck.
Indeed. They are no Luck or Newton, or even a Sam Bradford I suspect. The Rams seem to have given up an awful lot for them.
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Old 25-04-2016, 23:05
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Tom Brady's 4 game suspension over deflategate is back as the federal appeals court have sided with Roger Goodell, overturning the lower courts earlier ruling. They basically said the courts can't overturn sports suspensions.

The 4 games are Cardinals away, then the Dolphins, Texans and Bills at home which probably isn't as problematic for them as it could have been.
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Old 26-04-2016, 12:43
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Total sham. Goodell's kangaroo court wins again.
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Old 26-04-2016, 20:20
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Total sham. Goodell's kangaroo court wins again.
It's such a joke. I feel like in 30 years there's going to documentaries about this whole mess and then the general public might finally recognise how much Brady and the Pats got hosed by all this. For now though everyone else is quite happy to chuckle about anything that hurts the Patriots.

It's mind boggling that this whole thing began because NFL suits had no idea that basic science dictates that footballs will lose pressure over time when exposed to colder air. They were desperate to 'catch' the Pats doing something and thought they had a smoking gun with lower air pressure readings. Then they've just wilfully ignored the science ever since either because they didn't want to admit such a basic lack of knowledge or they were just so set on getting back at the Pats.

No idea if it's remotely possible but once all avenues to get rid of the penalties are extinguished I'd love Brady to sue some of these guys for defamation of character.
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Old 27-04-2016, 02:15
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The NFL players association signed the current collective bargaining agreement which basically said "The King can do whatever he wants" to paraphrase Game of Thrones. Them complaining about this after the fact seems like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted at best.

The Patriots knew it was coming, as he apparently signed a new contract with a huge signing bonus and "only" $1 million guaranteed wages for 2016, meaning the suspension costs him as little as possible in lost wages.
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Old 27-04-2016, 08:57
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It's such a joke. I feel like in 30 years there's going to documentaries about this whole mess and then the general public might finally recognise how much Brady and the Pats got hosed by all this. For now though everyone else is quite happy to chuckle about anything that hurts the Patriots.

It's mind boggling that this whole thing began because NFL suits had no idea that basic science dictates that footballs will lose pressure over time when exposed to colder air. They were desperate to 'catch' the Pats doing something and thought they had a smoking gun with lower air pressure readings. Then they've just wilfully ignored the science ever since either because they didn't want to admit such a basic lack of knowledge or they were just so set on getting back at the Pats.

No idea if it's remotely possible but once all avenues to get rid of the penalties are extinguished I'd love Brady to sue some of these guys for defamation of character.
It's an absolute sham. The rules say nothing about what temperature the balls are inflated at, I expect the Pats at the very worst inflated them in a high temperature room, but that's not cheating, that's using the rules to your advantage.
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Old 27-04-2016, 13:18
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I don't understand anyone defending it, the balls have to be a certain pressure, and they weren't, same happens in other sports, if you get caught breaking the rules, you must face the consequence, which is of little help to the other team they have cheated...
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Old 27-04-2016, 16:42
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I don't understand anyone defending it, the balls have to be a certain pressure, and they weren't, same happens in other sports, if you get caught breaking the rules, you must face the consequence, which is of little help to the other team they have cheated...
Well it's been explained above but you have ignored that seemingly. The rules don't state anywhere at what temperature the balls should be inflated, there is nothing in them to stop them being inflated at a high temperature, but the NFL seem to have ignored this fact and also the facts that there isn't any evidence they were deflated by anyone from the Patriots staff.
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Old 27-04-2016, 16:48
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Wonder if the Patriots will sign an experienced QB for cover for those 4 games or will they rely on maybe a youngster from the draft as back up to Jimmy G ?
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Old 27-04-2016, 18:41
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I don't understand anyone defending it, the balls have to be a certain pressure, and they weren't, same happens in other sports, if you get caught breaking the rules, you must face the consequence, which is of little help to the other team they have cheated...
This is what Patriots fans are up against. For every other fanbase they hear Patriots and cheating in the same sentence and just say 'yep, they did it, don't need to hear any more'. So we can keep on saying how there's this basic law of science that says balls will deflate when going from higher temperature (indoors) to lower temperatures (outdoors in New England in January) and how there's no evidence that the balls were deflated more than that natural action of the ideal gas law.

We can cite chapter and verse because we've been paying attention to this for over a year now. But none of it matters to fans of other teams because they made up their minds as soon as they heard the words Patriots and cheating in the same sentence (helped by the NFL leaking out false information about how much the balls were deflated).
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Old 28-04-2016, 16:31
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I'm sorry, I have read the rull word for word, and you are right, it only states they must be at pressure when they are tested before kickoff, wording it that way allows for use of lower pressure during the game

Not against the rules, but still cheating....
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Old 28-04-2016, 16:36
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I'm sorry, I have read the rull word for word, and you are right, it only states they must be at pressure when they are tested before kickoff, wording it that way allows for use of lower pressure during the game

Not against the rules, but still cheating....
The word 'cheating' is subjective, but as you've agreed it's not against the rules then why is Brady suspended?
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