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#2526 |
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Well, today was interesting... At Hunstanton.
Yes, there is 4G. Yes, the panels are still positioned weirdly. One panel down towards Sealife/Tescos/towards Heacham. One panel towards Old Hunstanton. The last panel pointing across the open field to cover the other direction. What panel covers the town? Erm... None of them! It was a day of two halves... First half had 3G working nicely in most parts, albeit weak indoors and in some areas. 4G also worked nicely, and gave better indoor coverage than 3G. Second half, in the mid to late afternoon? Forget it. Tried 3G and either had emergency calls only, or a signal with no throughput. Tried 4G. Result, no throughput or no signal at all. Then forget it and don't bother using the phone! Also compared it to a family member with what used to be my Galaxy Ace Plus, it's a 2011 phone with no 4G and 3G at HSDPA 7.2. Result? Shunted off 3G and onto EDGE! It may have been 50% + strength, 4 bars, but EDGE is useless for data! Overall verdict: Still needs improvement. What would help is either a quad panel, a six panel (or at least six sector) setup, or at the very least, the panels to be rearranged so that Hunstanton actually gets decent coverage. |
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#2527 |
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EE 4G Upgrade planning application
Will be a 2g 4g only site. Any ideas what frequency it will be from the planning application (below) http://planning.snowdonia-npa.gov.uk...4947-50577.pdf If they go for single input panels then it will be GL18. If they go for dual band panels then it will be GL18, L08. Seems like, as other people have said, 3G is relatively unimportant now, and will be the first to go, especially seeing these 2G/4G sites. That's why when I get a new phone, it must have Volte! |
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#2528 |
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I streamed TuneIn for quite a long time earlier on EDGE and a bit of GPRS. (set device to 2G only).
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#2529 |
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Will 800mhz be turned up to it's highest power this month?
Hmm.... Hurry up EE! |
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#2530 |
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EE 4G Upgrade planning application
Will be a 2g 4g only site. Any ideas what frequency it will be from the planning application (below) http://planning.snowdonia-npa.gov.uk...4947-50577.pdf |
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#2531 |
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Well, today was interesting... At Hunstanton.
Yes, there is 4G. Yes, the panels are still positioned weirdly. One panel down towards Sealife/Tescos/towards Heacham. One panel towards Old Hunstanton. The last panel pointing across the open field to cover the other direction. What panel covers the town? Erm... None of them! It was a day of two halves... First half had 3G working nicely in most parts, albeit weak indoors and in some areas. 4G also worked nicely, and gave better indoor coverage than 3G. Second half, in the mid to late afternoon? Forget it. Tried 3G and either had emergency calls only, or a signal with no throughput. Tried 4G. Result, no throughput or no signal at all. Then forget it and don't bother using the phone! Also compared it to a family member with what used to be my Galaxy Ace Plus, it's a 2011 phone with no 4G and 3G at HSDPA 7.2. Result? Shunted off 3G and onto EDGE! It may have been 50% + strength, 4 bars, but EDGE is useless for data! Overall verdict: Still needs improvement. What would help is either a quad panel, a six panel (or at least six sector) setup, or at the very least, the panels to be rearranged so that Hunstanton actually gets decent coverage. |
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#2532 |
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I streamed TuneIn for quite a long time earlier on EDGE and a bit of GPRS. (set device to 2G only).
I tried GPRS in previous months/years and the result was a total waste of time. 1 minute worth of playback followed by a minute (or more) of buffering. And the cycle repeats. This was using the default bitrate of 48kbps (and in fact, the lowest bitrate available for my station choice). Higher bitrates would be even worse on GPRS, and would likely cause EDGE to behave badly as well. From my experience: EDGE might work if the mast is ok and can handle the load (and if there are no interruptions in the data stream), and the bitrate is low. Having said that, I tried EDGE on my local O2 mast (via Giffgaff), before the upgrades, and it behaved just as bad as GPRS - i.e. useless. GPRS is useless and I wouldn't waste my time, breath and battery with it. |
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#2533 |
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GL1800. 6 feeders on standard trisector head so can't be 800MHz. I.e. 3 sectors of two feeders each per 'band'
![]() Yeah, that makes sense. 6 feeders means 2 feeders per sector (trisector mast) so single input panels, meaning GL18. L08 would need dual input panels, and 12 feeders on the mast (instead of 6). |
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#2534 |
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Unless you used a contrived array of combiners yes.
The EDGE was doing about 150kbps and it sounded like it was a 128kbps stream. Yeah, GPRS generally doesn't work too good. |
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#2535 |
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Also compared it to a family member with what used to be my Galaxy Ace Plus, it's a 2011 phone with no 4G and 3G at HSDPA 7.2. Result? Shunted off 3G and onto EDGE! It may have been 50% + strength, 4 bars, but EDGE is useless for data!
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#2536 |
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Problem is flashing carrier firmware on LG phones requires rooting and some modding. You also need the carrier firmware which is not widely available.
I'd recommend buying a Samsung instead as you can do the same thing and the carrier firmware is very widely available. |
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#2537 |
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Unless you used a contrived array of combiners yes.
Its in a rural location so it would make quite a difference. http://planning.snowdonia-npa.gov.uk...4947-50578.pdf |
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#2538 |
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Problem is flashing carrier firmware on LG phones requires rooting and some modding. You also need the carrier firmware which is not widely available.
I'd recommend buying a Samsung instead as you can do the same thing and the carrier firmware is very widely available. Unless, of course, there is a way of the networks getting VoLTE running universally without needing carrier firmware. I've used Samsungs before but they have no LTE/WCDMA mode (which is one of the reasons on going LG) and crucially, they have a tendency to jump to 2G whenever they feel like it. My S4, in default mode, has gone to 2G many a time where 3G was still present, available, and offering faster data speeds than 2G would ever offer. I've also heard reports of the S6 not using 4G that often, and actually using 3G more often (and it'd likely switch back to 2G often, again) and the same with the S7! Meaning that I wouldn't be fixing the problem that the S4 has! Here are a few things that I have found against the S6: Quote:
Originally Posted by daveyfs http://www.androidauthority.com/best...-lg-g4-612827/Any opinions on what the Samsung Galaxy S7 is like for hanging onto signal? I briefly had an S6 Edge, and one of the reasons I changed was that the signal was so bad compared to previous phones - it would lose 4G regularly and keep dropping down to 2G in places I'd never had that happen before (EE). Now got a Z5, and as a previous poster said, it hangs on to signal very well. (LG G4 outperforms the S6 in signal and the S6 didn't even use 4G in most tests.) Plus the S7 and S6 don't have a removable battery, and the S6 no SD card; both are things I would like to keep (though SD is more important). |
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#2539 |
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Here is another page of the planning. So is there a way for this to be L08 with 6 feeders?
Its in a rural location so it would make quite a difference. http://planning.snowdonia-npa.gov.uk...4947-50578.pdf With combiners, you would still need a dual band panel. |
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#2540 |
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No. those trisectors are single band group so no.
With combiners, you would still need a dual band panel. Any idea how long from planning to install? timeframe? |
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#2541 |
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There's an issue with my mast...
4g works. 3g showing up as unknown so not working one bit. Other phones on EE are working on 3g. Any ideas? |
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#2542 |
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3g is back! I wonder what the issue was there...
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#2543 |
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Major EE 3G data outage - PDP authentication errors
3G data on EE has been down since approximately 5am this morning in the East of England.
Cause is PDP Authentication errors when trying to connect to any APN over 3G. Data connectivity is working fine on 2G and 4G. Areas affected include Northamptonshire, Suffolk, Norfolk, Lincolnshire, Leicestershire, Yorkshire and beyond. EE said the problem would be fixed by 10:00, but clearly that wasn't the case... Looks like a major issue. |
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#2544 |
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And... Back to unknown again!
Seems like Northamptonshire 3G is being problematic, as it was fine in Milton Keynes! Please some raise this as a fault as I can't call people in LTE mode and cannot use the internet without a 4g enabled mast! Edit: just checked a family member's phone, ZTE blade 3, and there is no H icon where there normally would be. And that doesn't do 4g. Ouch! Edit 2, just saw the post above. Thanks for confirming it is nothing to do with my phone! |
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#2545 |
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No 3G data in Stamford either. Burghley Horse Trials isn't helping matters. 4G is fine but limited indoor coverage makes it pretty useless.
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#2546 |
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And... Back to unknown again!
Seems like Northamptonshire 3G is being problematic, as it was fine in Milton Keynes! Please some raise this as a fault as I can't call people in LTE mode and cannot use the internet without a 4g enabled mast! Edit: just checked a family member's phone, ZTE blade 3, and there is no H icon where there normally would be. And that doesn't do 4g. Ouch! Edit 2, just saw the post above. Thanks for confirming it is nothing to do with my phone! |
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#2547 |
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And... Back to unknown again!
Seems like Northamptonshire 3G is being problematic, as it was fine in Milton Keynes! Please some raise this as a fault as I can't call people in LTE mode and cannot use the internet without a 4g enabled mast! Edit: just checked a family member's phone, ZTE blade 3, and there is no H icon where there normally would be. And that doesn't do 4g. Ouch! Edit 2, just saw the post above. Thanks for confirming it is nothing to do with my phone! |
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#2548 |
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EE has confirmed the 3G data outage has been caused by a power equipment failure in one of their core switching centres.
This only affects 3G data connectivity. Calling and SMS on 3G still works. 2G and 4G data working normally too. Edit: Affected area seems to be east of M1, north of A14 and south of M18. Outside this area 3G data is working fine Problem is APN PDP authentication requests failing. I'm amazed that they haven't been able to re-route the data to another centre or fix the problem in the last 10 hours... Last edited by David_bl1 : 02-09-2016 at 15:02. Reason: Added affected area info |
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#2549 |
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3G is fine here. Slow, but it's working
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#2550 |
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Can use 2G for internet surely?
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2G is working fine for calling for me.
2G internet @ 150kbps maximum (30kbps on an old GPRS mast) is a total joke and you can't do anything with it. Especially if all of the phones that normally use 3G, are having to be routed through the slow 2G! |
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