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Old 03-09-2016, 12:23
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3G in MBNL areas is more than adequate, sometimes my DL speeds on 3G down here are faster as more people are rinsing the 4G
Agree! So let's cut the 3G is useless act We still need 3G deployment on exisiting 2G only masts. While 3G may be nowhere near as efficient as 4G it still provides adequete data use in most cases as well as our base layer for HD voice calls until VoLTE does eventually get anywhere mainstream.
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Old 03-09-2016, 12:56
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Haha, and anyway keyboards are rather cheap to buy anyway so it's not the end of the world...

An 800MHz public launch would be awesome though - alright, the S4 won't access it on high power (due to no VoLTE) but hey, whatever my next phone will be, will have VoLTE and 800MHz. And then coverage on EE will be EPIC!
I'm still not 100% convinced about 800 for various reasons but in the end it will be pretty great!

I know you're a bit peeved sometimes about your S4 not getting VoLTE and I do think EE need to get more VoLTE devices on the thing at some point soon but better they do it this way than hamper 800 coverage wise!
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Old 03-09-2016, 15:01
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Now look what you've done!
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Old 03-09-2016, 15:17
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Sorry. I must stay off the wine before coming on here. : )
Sometimes you have to be slightly drunk to post here though
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Old 05-09-2016, 08:08
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Wanted to ask ... will EE be taking over the TETRA masts or are those Airwave property?
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:38
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Wanted to ask ... will EE be taking over the TETRA masts or are those Airwave property?
Very unlikely. I'm sure Airwave own them. I don't think they are going to be of much use and will probably end up as scrap metal.
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Old 05-09-2016, 10:11
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Thats interesting. Just thought as they were ESN network sites they would be passed on?

If not, EE has a crazy amount of work.

There are 4 TETRA 400MHZ sites in my local area and only 1 EE @L18 . They would need around 6 additional sites to match to current ESN network.
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Old 05-09-2016, 12:30
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Thats interesting. Just thought as they were ESN network sites they would be passed on?

If not, EE has a crazy amount of work.

There are 4 TETRA 400MHZ sites in my local area and only 1 EE @L18 . They would need around 6 additional sites to match to current ESN network.
Airwave only have 14MHz of spectrum where as EE has 210MHz. So its not as simple as how many sites they have.

http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/binari...t_Jan_2016.pdf

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/29/more_disasters/
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Old 05-09-2016, 12:57
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Airwave only have 14MHz of spectrum where as EE has 210MHz. So its not as simple as how many sites they have.

http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/binari...t_Jan_2016.pdf

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/29/more_disasters/
True , but its no good if it doesn't reach anywhere. They need a lot more sites. I know EE have 800mhz but not that much capacity, and i'm guessing coverage is quite away off a system working on 400mhz.

Just don't see how it will be ready in time in my area (mid/north wales) its such a difficult area to work in because of the terrain.
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Old 05-09-2016, 13:33
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Could we ever see the introduction of LTE 450 in the UK? That could help achieve 99.99% geographic coverage as well as improving indoor coverage in areas that even 800 won't necessarily manage.
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Old 05-09-2016, 14:11
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True , but its no good if it doesn't reach anywhere. They need a lot more sites. I know EE have 800mhz but not that much capacity, and i'm guessing coverage is quite away off a system working on 400mhz.

Just don't see how it will be ready in time in my area (mid/north wales) its such a difficult area to work in because of the terrain.
Airwave predicted Coverage can been seen here using Google Earth:

There are still plenty of not spots in remote areas in Wales, Scotland and the North of England.

https://cloudrf.com/UK%20TETRA%20coverage
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Old 05-09-2016, 14:12
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True , but its no good if it doesn't reach anywhere. They need a lot more sites. I know EE have 800mhz but not that much capacity, and i'm guessing coverage is quite away off a system working on 400mhz.

Just don't see how it will be ready in time in my area (mid/north wales) its such a difficult area to work in because of the terrain.
I'm sure EE have got it covered or planned to be covered but you've a good point, if EE over egg the 800mhz coverage map as they have done the standard 1800mhz 4g map I can see them getting into trouble, tetra had quite a few issues when it launched but any issues EE could/will have are bound to draw alot of intention as EE/BT are well known brands in the public eye so will make a noteworthy story..
The coverage needs to be ultra strong as you wouldn't want people entering building in weak 800mhz areas and unable to clearly connect to the network. Also EE still only have 5mhz of 800mhz right?
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Old 05-09-2016, 14:25
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Airwave predicted Coverage can been seen here using Google Earth:

There are still plenty of not spots in remote areas in Wales, Scotland and the North of England.

https://cloudrf.com/UK%20TETRA%20coverage
Oww - thanks for that

I'm quite surprised to see so manny not spots - I thought is was near blanket coverage.

If EE only have to match that then they're quite a bit closer than i thought!
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Old 05-09-2016, 14:39
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Airwave predicted Coverage can been seen here using Google Earth:

There are still plenty of not spots in remote areas in Wales, Scotland and the North of England.

https://cloudrf.com/UK%20TETRA%20coverage
That's basically a work of fiction. Don't read anything into it.
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Old 05-09-2016, 14:44
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I'm sure EE have got it covered or planned to be covered but you've a good point, if EE over egg the 800mhz coverage map as they have done the standard 1800mhz 4g map I can see them getting into trouble, tetra had quite a few issues when it launched but any issues EE could/will have are bound to draw alot of intention as EE/BT are well known brands in the public eye so will make a noteworthy story..
The coverage needs to be ultra strong as you wouldn't want people entering building in weak 800mhz areas and unable to clearly connect to the network. Also EE still only have 5mhz of 800mhz right?
To be honest i don't doubt EE , I'm particularly worried as they've been bought by BT. I really don't trust them as their fibre rollout has been so slow.

EE have 2x 5mhz of 800 - they'll just have to choose carefully where they deploy it.
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Old 05-09-2016, 14:59
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Oww - thanks for that

I'm quite surprised to see so manny not spots - I thought is was near blanket coverage.

If EE only have to match that then they're quite a bit closer than i thought!
If I remember correctly EE don't have to match Airwave, at least at the initial use next year. 800 on current sites (including current legacy site) would probably allow them to meet the Airwave requirements, especially the old Orange ones.

That being said if you look at planning for very rural places, they are building a lot of masts round there at the moment - think they said something like 750 between now and 2020 (it'll end up being a lot more than that believe me!)

Getting Airwave's current mast sites wouldn't do much as they've been planned completely separately from the EE network so there would be many useless ones. Instead building new ones (not as hard as you think because the Home Office have told councils that they should accept all ESN required sites, can read the letter from the Home Office on a lot of the planning applications) will make more sense.

EE/BT said in their last investor relations presentation that 92% Geographic by September 17 was the target. That'll put 4G coverage equivalent to or just over Vodafone 2G outdoors if I remember correctly.
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Old 05-09-2016, 15:18
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If I remember correctly EE don't have to match Airwave, at least at the initial use next year. 800 on current sites (including current legacy site) would probably allow them to meet the Airwave requirements, especially the old Orange ones.

That being said if you look at planning for very rural places, they are building a lot of masts round there at the moment - think they said something like 750 between now and 2020 (it'll end up being a lot more than that believe me!)

Getting Airwave's current mast sites wouldn't do much as they've been planned completely separately from the EE network so there would be many useless ones. Instead building new ones (not as hard as you think because the Home Office have told councils that they should accept all ESN required sites, can read the letter from the Home Office on a lot of the planning applications) will make more sense.

EE/BT said in their last investor relations presentation that 92% Geographic by September 17 was the target. That'll put 4G coverage equivalent to or just over Vodafone 2G outdoors if I remember correctly.

Thanks for the info - i guess the Airwave masts wouldn't be very useful other than the rural ones. I live in a national park too , and so its still quite hard to get planning permission for sites. Seen one declined only a few weeks ago - which is totally wrong in my opinion.

I Belive its 850 new sites planed which I'm sure will make a lot of difference.

Im not sure by the timescales at the beginning but by 2020 the have to match or better the existing ESN Network. Will be really interesting to see if it works and how smooth the transition will be.
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Old 05-09-2016, 16:27
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Thanks for the info - i guess the Airwave masts wouldn't be very useful other than the rural ones. I live in a national park too , and so its still quite hard to get planning permission for sites. Seen one declined only a few weeks ago - which is totally wrong in my opinion.
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Have you seen the map (it was posted recently) of new EE masts that are planned?

This one:

https://s19.postimg.org/6z0bbrtub/image.png
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Old 05-09-2016, 16:53
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Have you seen the map (it was posted recently) of new EE masts that are planned?

This one:

https://s19.postimg.org/6z0bbrtub/image.png
Thanks , thats really useful. Where was that released from? now just to get the build dates and tech info and i'll be happy

Do the different colours represent priority/importance ?
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Old 05-09-2016, 17:06
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Thanks , thats really useful. Where was that released from? now just to get the build dates and tech info and i'll be happy

Do the different colours represent priority/importance ?
Not all of them for EE Consumer. That's the planned ESN map, some ESN only, some consumer as well and some will be for the aircraft network.Off the top of my head look at the blue dots
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Old 05-09-2016, 18:34
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Does anyone know why the EE Huawei 4G cabinets are so much smaller than the Samsung ones?
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Old 05-09-2016, 18:38
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Not all of them for EE Consumer. That's the planned ESN map, some ESN only, some consumer as well and some will be for the aircraft network.Off the top of my head look at the blue dots
Why not make them all customer masts then? doesn't make sense to me that they go to all the trouble to build the masts and not improve customer coverage the same time?

Found these plans for a local mast. Thats some setup with generators and satellite backhaul ! (last page)
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Old 05-09-2016, 18:39
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Does anyone know why the EE Huawei 4G cabinets are so much smaller than the Samsung ones?
EE Huawei cabinets have space for 6 radio units, the Samsung racks have space for 12. When the Samsung Radio units are placed in Alifabs Pogona or Komodo cabinets they are much more space efficient.
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Old 05-09-2016, 18:40
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Why not make them all customer masts then? doesn't make sense to me that they go to all the trouble to build the masts and not improve customer coverage the same time?

Found these plans for a local mast. Thats some setup with generators and satellite backhaul ! (last page)
Cost, the Home office will be paying for those in areas which wouldn't make commercial sense for EE to build out.
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Old 05-09-2016, 19:01
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Why not make them all customer masts then? doesn't make sense to me that they go to all the trouble to build the masts and not improve customer coverage the same time?

Found these plans for a local mast. Thats some setup with generators and satellite backhaul ! (last page)
This was the site i was talking about (plans last page)

https://diogel.cyngor.gwynedd.gov.uk...05.07.2016.pdf
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